I LOVE spyware... as in spy software

[Naomi_Tx]

Alright, time to come clean, who else here has installed something like E-Blaster or PC Anywhere on some, poor unsuspecting, sucker's PC. : Hell, I use both, and I friggin' LOVE them! And seriously folks, BS spyware, like spybot and ad-aware, can only keep your privacy as secure as a locked car... someone out there's gonna "slim-jim" their way in.

You know how men are about someone going through their wallets, and we are about our purses, well I'm like that about my computers... I don't care if my bestfriend just wants to check her e-mail... she's SOL.

So, who else here spies.

[Katrine]

I was obssessively sickly diagnostically in love with this asshole who lived with another chiq and fucked any blonde that moved, for 2 years. I had access to his 'puter and had the spyware disk ready to load.

My minute sense of ethics took the better of me and I decided against it. This was the first step to getting healthy and away from this devil.

For your mental sanity, I suggest you do the same. Personally, I don't want to know.

PC Anywhere is something I used in consulting to access my client's server to test code, and that is all I ever would want to do with it.....

[FBR]

Im with JZ and Kat on this one. I dont read Mrs FBR's mail. If she wants to share something with me she will do so. I dont read my employees email either even though legally I could.

WB Naomi. Where ya been?

FBR

[mr_punk]

nah, i don't spy on others. however, i am aware that others may spy on me which is why i go to great lenghts not to leave incriminating evidence around, especially on my computers. i have an old laptop, but i treat like the presidential nuclear football. i only use it for browsing certain sites and to e-mail certain people. no one loads up programs (like a keylogger) besides myself because not many people (especially those individuals who would wonder why i'm hiding a laptop from them) knows it exists.

[uranage]

You find people can be pretty boring so I don't do it anymore. And I decided to get a life.

Besides spying is bad karma.

[Naomi_Tx]

I missed ya'll too. Where've I been? You wouldn't believe it; but here's a crazy few months, told short. Quit dancing, taught myself how to build (simple assembly work really) and fix computers, finally started getting paid for it through word of mouth jobs, tried to leave abusive guitar playing boyfriend, got front two teeth broken in the process, went down to a u-haul dealership atnight with a long flexible stick with magnet at tip, slipped it through night key drop, picked up keys, stole 20ft u-haul, moved out, decided it would be nice to watch the sunset through binoculars on top of stolen u-haul at the 9-11 memorial , someone thought I was a terriost and called police, who didn't exactly like fact that I had stolen u-haul and unregistered gun in purse, went to jail, got bailed out 16 days later by old lawyer friend/SC customer, and now I've got to get a court order to get all of my electronic equipment (LOTS OF IT) out of police property room because apparently the burden of proof is on me to prove it's mine rather than them to prove it's stolen, and teeth are being fixed tuesday.
So, how've ya'll been?

[SportsWriter2]

Wow, Naomi, that was a cool adventure!

The problem with spyware is that a lot of people do wild stuff assuming no one will find out. Spyware messes that up for everyone.

There's a C&W song with a line that goes, "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."

I met my first ATF the day she started dancing, three days after she got kicked out of her apartment and lost her job as a bank teller. Her BF left a voice activated tape recorder under the living room sofa and caught her flirting with another guy in the apartment complex.

She apologized, saying it was innocent. The next day she went to tell the guy "no more flirting." He put her up against the wall and ripped off her white cotton briefs.

She stopped talking, so I asked what happened next.

She: "I gave him head."

Me: "Why did you do that?"

She: "He controlled my mind, because I hated my boyfriend for using the tape recorder."

She confessed to her best friend who confided to her BF who told the BF with the tape recorder.

[Casual Observer]

Used to install that stuff for people preparing divorce or suspecting infidelity. I don't really do that anymore.

As for my rigs, no ever uses them but me. Ever.

[mr_punk]

You wouldn't believe it

i believe it. a story involving an ex-stripper, a musician BF, physical abuse, guns, a stolen vehicle, homeland security, jail, (whew! did i leave anything out?) a dentist and a lawyer. so, what's not to believe?

I've got to get a court order to get all of my electronic equipment (LOTS OF IT) out of police property room because apparently the burden of proof is on me to prove it's mine rather than them to prove it's stolen

yup, LE loves forfeiture laws. they don't have to prove a thing. they're charging the property (not an individual) with a crime and they can use the assets for their budgets. so, for all you kids at home that like to pick up streetwalkers. do yourself a favor and catch a cab instead of driving. good luck, on getting your property back. i get the feeling that you'll need it.

[GnBeret]

Pardon my stupidity, but I don't know "jack" about computers... when you say you installed this stuff on somebody's computer, do you mean you had physical access to their computer and installed it or do you mean you somehow did it from whereever you are using your computer? Can that be done? I'm not interested in doing it, but I'm very interested in keeping it from being done to me. If it can be done remotely, how do I prevent it? Thx.

GB

[Lola Lee]

Ok, this is the exact thread I need, so somebody puhleeze chime in here. Anyway, I have been a spy culprit on my husband for well, over 3 years now. I know, I know, it seems like a shitty thing to do, but here me out first before you make judgments on me.

Basically, one day my hubby left his email open and I stumbled upon it. Anyway, I caught him having an "online affair" with an ex-fiance of his that he always told me was psycho and couldn't stand her. Then I found out that they met up. Well, things heated up but he decided against "doing" anything with her (I know this b/c I read it in an email). On top of this, I discover he has made other female friends through his work. Nothing is apparently going on but he sure is keeping them secret from me. Anyway, (a long time ago) I confronted him on this stuff and what I found out. He claims that he kept his secrets b/c he liked to have a private personal life and was also afraid I would be hurt, even though he wasn't doing anything he shouldn't be doing (cheating sexually). Ok, I told him it hurt me to have secrets and I seriously don't care if he has female friends as long as I freakin' know about them. So, we both promised to stop the bad things we were doing, my spying and him being secretive.

Long story shortened, neither one of us lived up to our promise. I still spy and he is still being secretive. Now, here is where I NEED HELP. My latest discovery is that he has met a 20 year old girl (I'm 27 and he is 32), he sends her gifts, calls her, has lunch with her, all while lying to me about what he is doing (like he says he has a meeting or something). So, I think it is important for me to moniter what he is doing, b/c I swear the minute I find out he puts his dick in her I am gonna take him to the cleaners. But as long as he doesn't cheat, then I think the whole thing is kinda amusing and I really don't care, does this make any sense????

Anyway, he recently changed his password to his Hotmail account (I used to know it) and now I can't read his emails anymore!

What should I do? I need a password recovery program or keylogger or something? Any suggestions?

[FBR]

Why do you want a password program? You will just discover more of the same if you continue to read his emails. You already know what hes doing.

Sounds like the guy is ready to move on and out the door but doesnt because (and Im speculating):

A) Children issues (I dont wanna be a bad dad)
B) Financial issues (divorces are horrendously expensive)
C) He likes married life (other than the commitment part)

The other thing is, you could be feeding his ego by checking up on him all the time. If hes 32 and interested in a 20 year old woman, he could be regressing emotionally or just looking for entertainment he feels hes not otherwise getting. Who knows.

Sorry for digressing. I cant help you with the computer geek stuff, but maybe one of the other members can. Again, be careful what youre asking for. I doubt his emails will prove his innocence.

FBR

[Lola Lee]

I think it's A, B & C, but I don't think he is on he's way out the door. We get along great and are the best of friends (except for the lies and deceit part). Alot of it I think is a game, on both ends.

And trust me, he isn't missing out at home. Im'ma crazed sex nypmho wanna-be porn star stripper that has more toys in my trunk than a sex shop. And it's not like I'm a crater face with my two front teeth missing.



Funny thing is that I really wouldn't care if he were to go get laid by some one night stand (considering it's safe of course), but it's the fact he's developing relationships that bothers me. And I've told him this before... Anyway, so that's why I feel the need to spy.

[Casual Observer]

I have used variants of Waresight's stuff for divorce forensics in the past.

However, if the target is remotely computer-savvy, keyloggers don't stand much of a chance against detection. I've had ostensibly clueless wives pick up on logging data after just two days of system usage; perhaps paranoia breeds technical skills.

[Hello_Kitty27]

I would completely go for some keylogger software if I were in your shoes. I wish I had some more info for you to help out, but I wish you luck. IMO, sounds to me like your husband just likes being sneaky. I knew people like that (I was like that for a while, it was a compulsion for me). After that, I became a compulsive snoop. I just stopped out of the blue like a year ago. It was very strange, both were like an addiction to me.

Anyway, I wish you the best. Good luck with everything.

[Mastridonicus]

the first thing I do to any pc I use is install necissary port connection monitors. then OS specific tsr monitors. I keep a live feed of what ports are open on my system and basically if anyone touches it, I know.

I too have a laptop that never leaves my side but it is almost a honeypot. (all it does is serve as a very secure portal to my data that only it can get to) My real secret is a designed mobile device, that if I do not lets call it "ping" the remote computer to tell it I'm there, all governement/medical/security/financial <and sexual> data is subsequently damaged and formatted 7 times.

Geeky I know. But in my job I have to be serious. ALSO, let me tell you, when they discovered md5 was duplicateable and therefor exploitable, I shit myself.

Let me tell you, alls it takes is ONCE to not "phone home" so to speak, and your sol. I lost sooooooo much.

[mr_punk]

Basically, one day my hubby left his email open and I stumbled upon it. Anyway, I caught him having an "online affair" with an ex-fiance of his that he always told me was psycho and couldn'tstand her.

I would completely go for some keylogger software if I were in your shoes. I wish I had some more info for you to help out, but I wish you luck. IMO, sounds to me like your husband just likes being sneaky. I knew people like that (I was like that for a while, it was a compulsion for me). After that, I became a compulsive snoop. I just stopped out of the blue like a year ago. It was very strange, both were like an addiction to me.

compartmentalize..compartmentalize..compartmentali ze...two reasons why i have a second lap top that the SO knows nothing about.

So, I think it is important for me to moniter what he is doing, b/c I swear the minute I find out he puts his dick in her I am gonna take him to the cleaners.

i believe you. women always do....hell really hath no fury.

I think it's A, B & C, but I don't think he is on he's way out the door. We get along great and are the best of friends (except for the lies and deceit part).

i agree. a lot of people think that if a guy cheats. he wants out of the relationship and that isn't necessarily true. it just sounds like he might be having a problem about whether or not to keep his pants zipped up, but i think he still wants to stay married.

And trust me, he isn't missing out at home. Im'ma crazed sex nypmho wanna-be porn star stripper that has more toys in my trunk than a sex shop. And it's not like I'm a crater face with my two front teeth missing.

well, even halle berry was cheated on by her last husband much to the bewilderment of a lot of people. sometimes, a woman looks or her ability in the sack has little to do with why a guy goes out on the prowl.

Funny thing is that I really wouldn't care if he were to go get laid by some one night stand (considering it's safe of course), but it's the fact he's developing relationships that bothers me.

that's interesting..most women would be ready to castrate the guy under any circumstances.

[Mastridonicus]

Funny thing is that I really wouldn't care if he were to go get laid by some one night stand (considering it's safe of course), but it's the fact he's developing relationships that bothers me.

Well it seems more and more evident as I am here that there appears to be a pool of women in the world that are capable of seperating "love" from "sex" and combine them as well. which bears the question, is it cheating if its sex? or if its building a relationship. For Lola, it seems like building a relationship is key.

What she seems to be ignoring is that she is allowing the relationship to grow unmonitored to a, what seems like, innevitable outcome.

However, not only does Lola seem reasonable enough to discuss it, but seems she just wants to know the score here, and imo she deserves that much. Put the computer spyware down, and tell him its hurting you.

[Lola Lee]

Hey Mast, that's good, solid "Dr. Phil" advice.

Yes, you're right, I am much in the mind frame that sex is sex and although I wouldn't necessarily like it, if the SO did have sex with some random chic I wouldn't be hurt, pissed a little, but not hurt. But sex with a girl he has formed a friendship with is a different story. That's an affair of the heart where emotions are involved. To me, that's cheating. And that's my ultimate fear in this situation.

Problem here is that if I confide that I have been spying he is going to feel like I am invading his privacy which I fear will cause friction and push him away from me making him do something he normally wouldn't have done. Make sense? Because other than telling little white lies about where he is going, etc. he really hasn't done anything wrong (yet!).

[FBR]

Because other than telling little white lies about where he is going, etc. he really hasn't done anything wrong (yet!).

Lola, thank you very much. I needed affirmation that my tete-a-tete afternoon get togethers with Miss D are OK

FBR

[Katrine]

This is a no-brainer. How much more proof do you need?

[Mastridonicus]

Hey Mast, that's good, solid "Dr. Phil" advice.

Same Great advice and Half the obesity

Yes, you're right, I am much in the mind frame that sex is sex and although I wouldn't necessarily like it, if the SO did have sex with some random chic I wouldn't be hurt, pissed a little, but not hurt. But sex with a girl he has formed a friendship with is a different story. That's an affair of the heart where emotions are involved. To me, that's cheating. And that's my ultimate fear in this situation.

Problem here is that if I confide that I have been spying he is going to feel like I am invading his privacy which I fear will cause friction and push him away from me making him do something he normally wouldn't have done. Make sense? Because other than telling little white lies about where he is going, etc. he really hasn't done anything wrong (yet!).

Well you say that, but here's the deal, You're spying on him, because its BOTHERING YOU which means its not right. I mean, it may be ok in your head, but you arent doing this, so he is doing something wrong.

Truth is, there is a little bit of apologies to come from each of you, but I mean you're married, and you're right, you are hot, I was going to ask you to tell me if he would ever gain your trust again if he never did anything with her, I guess, I'm asking, why is the line the second he puts his dick in her. In my opinion, thats when the relationship with you is over <or at least thats what you're saying> I think, ITS A MARRIAGE, friction will happen, but its repairable NOW. You're saying the only time you're addressing this is when its irrepairable.

I guess the short of it is, if you want to fix it, the friction would be worth it, HOWEVER, if you want to see how far he'll take it before you bring it up just to see what kind of person he is, then I guess its cool, but it seems like he wouldn't be the guy you married, assuming you trusted him when you did.

I hope its over exaggerated I do, you seem nice enough and I would hate it to get worse so I would say address it now.

But hey, if you find out he put his dick in her, I'm sure I'll still be lonely!

::Mast::

[Lola Lee]

Mast, I'll be sure to look ya up next time I'm in Fujiko.

I think what I have learned that this situation is beyond the point of spying and I need to face it. Damn, I hate confrontation.

[Mastridonicus]

I can tell.

And holy hell, the Fujiko reference no you're a woman after my charming Lupin-ish heart.

I hope all goes well for you, keep us <me> informed!

[CuriousJ]

Can you take a pic of the toys in your trunk lol . Really good luck but I kind of think you are ready to move on . And I also agree you look very good !

And trust me, he isn't missing out at home. Im'ma crazed sex nypmho wanna-be porn star stripper that has more toys in my trunk than a sex shop. And it's not like I'm a crater face with my two front teeth missing.