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    I know for some this may be a sensitive issue, however, I just had an interesting conversation with a close friend of mine...

    About 2 months ago or so, my friend was pulled over for drinking and driving... DUI consequences are a bitch..apparently. She's paid over $5000 thus far (wouldn't give exact figure), has a suspended license for 6 months, and had to take a "driver's intervention" course this past weekend. During the course she was "assessed" by a counselor for signs of alcoholism. The purpose of the session was to give an assessment and a recommendation of follow-up (if needed) to her ruling court.

    A little bit about her background:
    1) Drinks, at most, once a week... parties maybe once every couple of months.. depending on how much I can influence her
    2) Has gotten "drunk" (who hasn't ); as they define it, had a BAC over 0.08
    3) Has gotten sick from drinking
    4) Has, on a few occassions, not been able to remember everything from the previous night of drinking
    5) Has gone 6-10 months at a time without drinking
    6) Never has and probably never will "do" drugs

    For the most part, this is also my drinking history. So I was interested to her what her assessment was.

    Now, I've always believed, and STILL believe that alcoholism is defined by dependency - a physical need/dependence on a drug. I would hardly define her as dependent. So she thought that the counseling session was going to be a breeze - they would tell her that she was fine, and this was a case of social drinking, and nothing more.

    Not the case. After reading through her history, as I just described, the counselor assessed her as showing "dangerous" signs of alcoholism, because she has gotten sick from drinking before, yet she continues to drink. The counselor's recommendation was to abstain from all mind altering chemicals indefinitely, have her health insurance assess her "alcoholism", and to attend two AA meetings per week . WTF? This report was immediately sent to the judge that ruled in her case

    Her story made me think of all my friends, family, girlfriend, and myself.... So by definition, apparently I'm an alcoholic too ... and so are you

    oh, and BTW, she asked her counselor what his/her story was... her counselor was a self-proclaimed alcoholic who has only drank alcohol THREE times in his life!! He said that the last time he drank, he said something he shouldn't have and decided he was an alcoholic... !!

    Her situation could have easily been mine, or my other friends, or pretty much anyone I know that has drank alcoholic before. Is this guy a quack, or is there some legitimacy to his assessment?

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    Bluntly, anyone can be called an "alcoholic" if the county can get away with fining them heavily for DWI or DUI AND line the counselor's pockets by making said alcoholic pay for counseling sessions and treatment. Government can be "enterprising" too........
    That being said, there is NO excuse for driving while drunk. I don't care what. I attended the funeral of a 21 year old killed by a drunk driver earlier this year. Her killer is getting punked in prison right now. His life is over. So is hers.
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    It is recognized that alcoholism (or drug abuse or other kinds of behavior) is related to having its consumption (or performance) lead to troubles in one's life and that continuation of this problematic behavior indicates dependence. Kind of a general problem statement.

    I'm no expert on this at all and have never had any troubles relating to alcohol or drugs, so I can't relate to a need for such substances. But I know people who have had lots of those problems. I also know people who have gotten into the counseling profession, some with past problems, some without. I believe those having had those (past) problems are in a better position to judge and help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine
    Bluntly, anyone can be called an "alcoholic" if the county can get away with fining them heavily for DWI or DUI AND line the counselor's pockets by making said alcoholic pay for counseling sessions and treatment. Goverment can be "enterprising" too........
    That being said, there is NO excuse for driving while drunk. I don't care what. I attended the funeral of a 21 year old killed by a drunk driver eariler this year. Her killer is getting punked in prison right now. His life is over. So is hers.
    Sorry to hear about your friend...

    for others sometimes it takes a tragic event to open their eyes.
    I'll be using my friend's mistake, to avoid my own in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    I'm no expert on this at all and have never had any troubles relating to alcohol or drugs, so I can't relate to a need for such substances. But I know people who have had lots of those problems. I also know people who have gotten into the counseling profession, some with past problems, some without. I believe those having had those (past) problems are in a better position to judge and help.
    I completely agree, but I don't think having three drinks of alcoholic qualifies this guy to be a counselor for alcoholism. I know a few people with problems, but she hardly falls into this category... not even close to those that I know have a drinking problem. According to his classification ANY social drinkers are considered alcoholics.

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    Alcoholics are people who use the drink to self medicate. How much they drink a day or week really does not seem to matter. When asked to fill out surveys, many people say they don't really like the taste, but love the feeling. Sounds like an alcoholic? I don't really know. Alcohol problem people run in my family. I have NEVER drank, honestly. Wow, not 1 person would believe that i am sure, but living with a father and a sister who drank themsleves to death, i qualify to give sessions to alcoholics who want to learn more about the behaviour, lifestyle etc. Me, being on the outside, a child of an alcoholic family can talk about issues that tear a family apart.

    Forget the "you know this is bad for your health crap" they know that, they need to hear more about how THEIR behaviour ruins family, friends, jobs and Love of life. Being taught like children that the drink is not the problem, the person is. I say this kinda without a heart, but it's true. Anyone who goes for counseling does not need to be beat around the bush, they need to know what they are doing to everyone they come in contact with.

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    Pamela, I'm glad you posted that. I've wanted to say something like that but my addiction posts seem to be interpreted as judgemental or mean sometimes.
    The history of alcohol and human culture is long and complicated....I have so many stories from traveling all over and working as a bartender. In my own family, I grew up with a "human garbage can"- my brother can drink, snort or smoke anything under the sun and STILL be sentient enough to cause trouble (wrecks, pulling guns, stealing, fights, property damage, get arrested....etc.) My best friend's dad was a turd with a pulse that drank, beat his kids, and was so dumb he almost blew his head off while cleaning a shotgun he forgot to unload. I remember my friend showing me the hole in the wall where the buckshot went through, and her saying she wished the shot had killed him instead. Sad, huh?
    So all of us who get tired of the BS from alkies and addicts.....we still love them, but love can get eroded. I don't think some will ever get permanently clean until they risk losing everyone and everything dear to them.

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    So, as I understand it, "alcoholics are people who use the drink to self medicate", which I completely agree with. It's the "I had a horrible day, and I need a drink" or "I feel depressed, so I need a drink", etc. kind of people. Which I can completely understand. In terms of my friend's case, she is none of these, however a counselor (who btw, is not certified, is a self-proclaimed alcoholic, and is a volunteer) assessed her as an alcoholic... I completely disagree with his assessment, because his criteria applies to virtually anyone that drinks alcohol. Now along with paying thousands of dollars, having horrible insurance rates, and a DUI on her record, she has to take AA classes indefinetly!! This is for a FIRST time offense... unreasonable if you ask me.

    Also, Ohio requires for first time offenders, as a minimum, to attend this Intervention program or spend 3 days in jail.

    And another interesting fact - you can receive a DUI even if you are under the legal limit (0.08 in Ohio) and are over 21.

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    I love this bull shit. Here we are in a society that does nothing except show people drinking and partying. Every other adv. is condoning it.

    Yet, someone who drinks 3 times has the odacity to declare people alcholics? I admit there are times when I do drink, but not to getting sick when I have some stress.

    So, I guess the real issue is that instead of self-medicating with a martini once and awhile, I should haul my ass down to the local MD for a $150 office visit, get some good prescription for an anti-depressant for $200, and sit at home glossy eyed watching the drug commercials. Wondering why they don't do lobotomys anymore.

    The difference between a drunk and an alcoholic.... us drunks don't have to go to all of those damned meetings.

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    Pamela's post is dead on the money, so I won't reiterate her verbiage.

    Alcoholism is about people whose lives have been made unmanageable because of their use of alcohol, plain and simple.

    Two cents.
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    I dont like "terms" and categorizing people...i dont believe that stuff...

    I have a similar dinking history maybe i dont drink as often...but ive been there...im not dependent AT ALL....most night i dont drink....most of the time i drink im not drunk.

    But I NEVER EVER mess around with drinking and driving. If I have more than 1 or 2 drinks in the span of a night I will NOT drive. NEVER....i dont play with that....its no joke.

    I know so many people who drink and drive...and its not all 20 year olds leaving parties and acting wild as many people believe or see on TV....a lot of these people are 45 year old guys with families....they just think that since they are old they are immune to it and they are old enough to "handle" themselves...

    ITS BULLSHIT....I think drunk driving penalties should be even worse than they are. There is NO reason for ever driving drunk....all my friends do it all the time....all my relatives do it all the time...I HATE IT....many times I won't go out b/c i know people will be driving drunk and I want no part of that. It makes me really upset.

    Two of my friends are battleing DUI charges right now...each looks to be down 10 grand by the end...loosing their liscence for at least six months ....never mind trying to get insurance ever again.

    UGH...this topic just makes me mad. People never learn. Sorry for the drinking and driving rant.

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    The best is in NYC...if you get caught drinking and driving....you lose your car...they keep it... ...thats awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by AinNY
    The best is in NYC...if you get caught drinking and driving....you lose your car...they keep it... ...thats awesome
    But, you can assult someone, or run a stop sign and they don't take anything away... I love the congruity of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitri
    But, you can assult someone, or run a stop sign and they don't take anything away... I love the congruity of it all.
    True

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    Quote Originally Posted by AinNY
    I dont like "terms" and categorizing people...i dont believe that stuff...

    I have a similar dinking history maybe i dont drink as often...but ive been there...im not dependent AT ALL....most night i dont drink....most of the time i drink im not drunk.
    well then, by this guy's definition, you're an alcoholic .


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    ITS BULLSHIT....I think drunk driving penalties should be even worse than they are. There is NO reason for ever driving drunk....all my friends do it all the time....all my relatives do it all the time...I HATE IT....many times I won't go out b/c i know people will be driving drunk and I want no part of that. It makes me really upset.
    From the sounds of it, they're pretty tough right now. She blew a 0.09 or something - the equivalent of 2-3 beers for her weight. She got pulled over because of the light over her license plate was out. The cop smelled acohol and asked her to do the soberity tests, which she agreed to do. Why? because she felt she was fine. That's 2-3 beers over 2 hours btw. I think financially the consequences are severe enough to deter most... they just aren't advertised that well here. I think education, not increased penalities, is the answer. She's a good person that made a mistake.. .ONE mistake. I think she's being punished enough. I completely agree that driving drunk is stupid, and unfortunately I've driven after drinking twice in my life time, but never again. Her situation is education enough for me.

    There was also a guy in her class, over 50, who's wife had a heart attack, he panicked, and drove her to the hospital. When he got there, a cop was quickly behind him, ticketed him for speeding and got charged with a DUI. Blew a 0.08 EXACTLY after having wine with dinner... now he will be paying thousands of dollars, has to attend AA classes, and can not drive for 3-6 months.


    There's always two-sides to the coin. There could be a guy that drives after drinking a case of beer, half passed out with his window open that could easily kill someone. Then there's the guy that 2-3 beers with dinner that is relatively unaffected.

    Have you ever been tired after work? Heavily eyelids as you drive home? Do you get a cab when you are tired because you know that your driving will be impaired? I can count probably 500 cars on the way home from work each day that have someone driving while ASLEEP at the wheel. These people are MUCH more dangerous then the guy who has had 2-3 beers, IMO... but they will never receive as strict of a penalty as they guy that blew a 0.08.

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    Speaking of two sides to every coin...

    Before my boyfriend and I ever dated we were good friends. One night we went to a big house party together. The people who threw the party threw it outside because they had no electricity because they were moving to Florida so they didn't pay the bill forcing everybody to stay outside in the dewy backyard with not many chairs. My boyfriend was pretty hammered so I suggested we go and sit in his car, parked on the street, as long as it takes until he's sobered up. He put his keys in the ignition of the car to turn the heat and the radio on, this is 4 or 5 am so its a little chilly out. He opens his door and starts vomiting. Well I guess the neighbors seen him through the window or something but somebody called the cops. My boyfriend failed his sobriety test horribly...not to mention it was pretty obvious he was drinking because the cop practically walked into his nice little pile of vomit outside my boyfriend's car door! I got away scot free. I sobered up real fast when I heard those sirens and seen those lights! He got arrested and charged with a DUI because he had his keys in the ignition, not because he was driving which is fucking LAME. I was drivin down to the station and given a few quarters to call my mother at 5am in the morning to come pick me up from the police station. I was not arrested or anything! Thank god! But I still feel horrible about what happened to my boyfriend!
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    AG,
    I am an alcoholic (sober over 4.5 years, one-day-at-a-time) as is widely known around here.
    No person can speak about another person's condition without considerably more information than this so-called professional likely had, except if (by chance) your friend is a highly-successful sneak.

    True alcoholics are exceptionally good hiders of the evidence, and also good liers. The sole reason I doubt the diagnostician is their willingness to declare themselves alcoholic based on three datpoint. In my case noone among my family or friends knew I was an alcoholic until it almost killed me. That is a pure excess of zeal and ignorance run-rampant with the available facts.

    Your friend may, or may not, be an alcoholic. The psychological and legal professions have an inordinate willingness to attempt to "scare people straight". If the stated facts are true, your friend may be at heightened risk of alcoholism, but there is nothing exceptionally convincing except the chronic behavior, the DUI, and repeated blackouts. Not all alcoholics drink all the time, sometimes it comes out as binge-behavior. If repeated enough times it can be serious. Some of this can be outgrown if circumstantial.

    The world is full of incompetent "court appointed counselors" who kinow Jack Sqwat about reality. It is also possible your observations of their behavior are a very distorted sample. There is no way to know from the available information.

    There is a self-assessment test online at aa.org. Have your friend take it in privacy and being brutally honest. If they are close, they do need heightened awareness of their risks. If nothing else their court-ordered visits will let them know where to go if they slip over the edge. Consider that aspect the cheapest of all the costs they are going to incur because of the stupid act of getting behind the wheel after too many--and they face a LOT of costs.

    The poster whose friend got busted for sitting in a car committed a technical violation of the law (definition of operating) and their prosecution was probably overzealousness. 20,000+ road-deaths a year (7-9/11s) involving alcohol is a scarey thought to comprehend as well. The .08 BAC is not the definition of DUI, merely that above it there is a prima facia case for DUI, like driving off the road at twice the limit with the skidmarks to prove it on clear/dry pavement is on the face of it reckless driving.

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    A_Guy i highly agree, education and also help, i mean better help for people who are in trouble for drinking. See AA is not the best (my opinion) for a drinker to go to. Why? Alcohol breaks down in the body into sugar, at AA meetings they give donuts and sodas! WTF? They are feeding an addiction. Just think about it.

    Seriously a great book for anyone drinker or not is "How to quit drinking without AA"! Fabulous read. I agree with the book 100%.

    Pamela

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek
    AG,
    I am an alcoholic (sober over 4.5 years, one-day-at-a-time) as is widely known around here.
    No person can speak about another person's condition without considerably more information than this so-called professional likely had, except if (by chance) your friend is a highly-successful sneak.
    Congratulations on your sobriety... I can't imagine how difficult it is for people like yourself to deal with this addiction. Keep it up

    As for my friend, I highly doubt she's sneaking behind everyone's back because I've known her for years... although there is always the possibility. As long as she doesn't get herself thrown in jail again for another DUI, I think she'll be fine.


    There is a self-assessment test online at aa.org. Have your friend take it in privacy and being brutally honest. If they are close, they do need heightened awareness of their risks.
    I'll pass along the information. Thanks!

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    If you drink and DRIVE then you deserve to go to jail, get fined, never be able to drive again, have your car impounded and much more.
    All it takes is ONE night, ONE time you drive drunk to kill someone or an entire family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe
    If you drink and DRIVE then you deserve to go to jail, get fined, never be able to drive again, have your car impounded and much more.
    All it takes is ONE night, ONE time you drive drunk to kill someone or an entire family.
    Dammit....Im agreeing with Gabe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe
    If you drink and DRIVE then you deserve to go to jail, get fined, never be able to drive again, have your car impounded and much more.
    All it takes is ONE night, ONE time you drive drunk to kill someone or an entire family.
    I completely disagree. That is a pretty broad statement for a 19 year-old. I bet your parents, cousins, uncles, grandparents, etc. have driven after 2 or 3 drinks. By your all encompassing statement, they would be thrown in jail, get fined, etc. etc... Conservative principles like these do not look at case-by-case issues, which should always be done. Don't try to overly simplify a complicated problem. Driving after drinking is idiotic, but not on the level of a felony... I think we should save those for murders, drug trafficing, rape, etc.

    Have you ever gone over the speed limit? That's pretty dangerous too. Let's apply those same principles there too. .... Again, there is a difference between driving DRUNK and driving after a couple of drinks. I agree, both are moronic, but throwing everyone in jail is a bit extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe
    If you drink and DRIVE then you deserve to go to jail, get fined, never be able to drive again, have your car impounded and much more.
    All it takes is ONE night, ONE time you drive drunk to kill someone or an entire family.
    Actually, I would have to disagree as well. We all make mistakes. If no one was hurt, killed, or anything like that...then there should be second chances. However, for the drivers who hurt/kill/maim someone from driving drunk, THEY should have stiffer penalties. The only down side is this...once they get out of jail...how do you prevent them from ever doing it again? Just because you don't have a drivers license doesn't mean that you cannot operate a vehicle. Otherwise, if they were that law abiding, they wouldn't have gotten sloshed before driving home anyways.

    It's not an easy scenario...but, just like people who smoke pot...the law spends too much time and money prosecuting these people when they should be going after the real menaces to society. Just my .

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    The only down side is this...once they get out of jail...how do you prevent them from ever doing it again? Just because you don't have a drivers license doesn't mean that you cannot operate a vehicle.
    Good point. I always read/hear about people with 10-20 DUI's. WTF? lol... I would think you would learn your lesson after the first one! These are the guys that have been in and out of jail and have no chance of ever getting their license back, however they still find a way to inevitably get sloshed, find a car, and terrorize our highways.


    It's not an easy scenario...but, just like people who smoke pot...the law spends too much time and money prosecuting these people when they should be going after the real menaces to society. Just my .

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    I completely disagree. That is a pretty broad statement for a 19 year-old. I bet your parents, cousins, uncles, grandparents, etc. have driven after 2 or 3 drinks. By your all encompassing statement, they would be thrown in jail, get fined, etc. etc... Conservative principles like these do not look at case-by-case issues, which should always be done. Don't try to overly simplify a complicated problem. Driving after drinking is idiotic, but not on the level of a felony... I think we should save those for murders, drug trafficing, rape, etc.

    Have you ever gone over the speed limit? That's pretty dangerous too. Let's apply those same principles there too. .... Again, there is a difference between driving DRUNK and driving after a couple of drinks. I agree, both are moronic, but throwing everyone in jail is a bit extreme.
    Easy for you guys to say. May 18, 1997 my 2nd oldest sister was killed along with her best friend by someone driving drunk. They were coming home ( only fuckin 7 pm!!!) when the drunk hit them. What happens to him?
    O yes, he was fine, walked away from the scene while my sister was crushed to death. He got his liscense suspended (not forever removed), and had to attend something like 6 weeks of rehab.

    What do I think should be his penalty? I would be happy with the death penalty in this case, but sadly that will never happen cause its just "a mistake" So ill mistakingly go 150 mph and run over his family, but it would be ok, I was mistakingly taking LSD or mistakingly pressing my foot to hard.
    paaleeeaaze. I have absolutely NO Sympathy for any alcoholics or drug users.

    ONE strike YOUR OUT.

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