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    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A white Louisiana judge who appeared at a Halloween party in shackles, an afro wig and blackface makeup last year should be suspended for a year without pay, a state commission said Tuesday.

    The recommendation by the Judiciary Commission of Louisiana goes to the state Supreme Court, which will make the final decision on the punishment for Timothy Ellender, a state district judge in Terrebonne Parish, southwest of New Orleans.

    "Judge Ellender's integrity and his ability to be fair and impartial towards African-Americans who appear before his court as defendants in criminal and other proceedings will be forever in doubt," the commission said in a 26-page report. "Every decision he makes and judgment he renders concerning an African-American may be questioned and second guessed."

    Ellender was not immediately available for comment when The Associated Press called his office in Houma. The commission said Ellender cooperated fully with its investigation and made it clear in testimony "that he will take great care not to exhibit racial bias or to promote racial sterotypes in the future."

    Accompanied by his wife, who was dressed as a police officer, Ellender showed up at the party last Halloween dressed in a prison jump suit and handcuffs borrowed from the local sheriff, as well as the afro wig.

    "Judge Ellender testified to the commission that when his costume did not provoke the amusement he thought it would, his brother-in-law, dressed as `Buckwheat' from the `Little Rascals' show, and wearing blackface paint, offered the judge some of the paint to enhance his costume and to try to garner more laughs," the commission report said.

    "When asked if adding the black-face paint resulted in his getting more laughs, Judge ellender told the commision "it was more humorous, yes," the report said.

    It was a private party but it was held at a seafood restaurant in view of other patrons. The commission said about 15 people were present and testimony indicated that, except for a black cook, everyone present was white.

    Word of Ellender's costume reached Houma NAACP leaders, then made local, state and national news. A complaint was filed with court officials, resulting in the commission's investigation. Ellender at first called the resulting furor "a tempest in a teapot" but later, in testimony before the commission, admitted that his behavior had been offensive, the report said.

    There was no indication when the Supreme Court would make its decision.

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    Personally I think this is being blown wayyyyy out of proportion.It was a halloween costume for christ sake!

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    i find a white person in blackface to be offensive...poking derrogitory fun at black people...not funny or harmless...the mother fucker knew (or should have known) what kind of reaction he would get...and i don't think that anyone was overreacting...

    it's the 21st century for God's sake...bullshit like this is uncalled for...
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    I think it was all just a political trick. He believes Bush will be re-elected and wants to get an appointment to the Federal judiciary.

    Seriously, of course it's offensive. Beyond that, it’s abysmally stupid. But I can’t find that part of the First Amendment where it says “unless the speech is patently offensive”. This should not be a disciplinary matter, it should be a political matter. If enough people think it’s important, vote him out (or pressure the Governor if Louisiana appoints judges). If there’s any proof he discriminates against blacks in his courtroom in any way, that should be a cause for disciplinary removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    i find a white person in blackface to be offensive...poking derrogitory fun at black people...not funny or harmless...the mother fucker knew (or should have known) what kind of reaction he would get...and i don't think that anyone was overreacting...

    it's the 21st century for God's sake...bullshit like this is uncalled for...
    i AGREE TOPAZ!!! if he didn't know, he should have known!! Being a judge, your actions (conscious or not) are always accountable.

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    it's the 21st century for God's sake
    Yes, and its time we all grow up and stop thinking everything has to be a race issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe
    Yes, and its time we all grow up and stop thinking everything has to be a race issue.
    I personaly have no racism to anyone. What if a black or mexican person wanted to dress up as a president. Do you think that white people would have the same feeling? I think that this was blown way out of proportion (as Blade Said).

    Just for an example my American Indian and Irish child is going as a Jamaican man. Yes, with the braids and outfit. Should my child also be refered to NAACP also? There is another child that my daughter is on the Cheerleading squad with whom is black. This little girl is going as an Indian. Is there a problem with that? It is halloween. Alot of people dress up as many different things. If this is what the man wanted to dress up as who is anyone to judge him on it?

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    y'all forgot the '...bullshit like this is uncalled for' part....

    i personally think that he made it a race issue when he chose to wear a costume that made fun of one group of people...black people...

    people always get all bent out of shape when someone does something 'offcolor'...if you will...and others don't take to it to kindly...there is a consequence for every action...this is the consequence for the action he chose to make...

    maybe if people stopped degrading each other because of race...let go of the stereotypes...and on a broader scope...stopped discriminating against others...based on race...gender...whatever...then maybe shit like this wouldn't happen...

    i'm done talking...
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    Considering the recent history of racial conflict in that region, and the judge's job.....it looks bad. Even if someone didn't complain, it would have reflected poorly. If some guy went around my neighborhood claiming to be a Registered Sex Offender this Halloween (we did have a big scandal about a RSO this year where I live) I wouldn't think it was funny. But no skin off my a**- people suffer for their poor choices. No one needs to make a stink.....the damage is already done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    y'all forgot the '...bullshit like this is uncalled for' part....

    i personally think that he made it a race issue when he chose to wear a costume that made fun of one group of people...black people...

    people always get all bent out of shape when someone does something 'offcolor'...if you will...and others don't take to it to kindly...there is a consequence for every action...this is the consequence for the action he chose to make...

    maybe if people stopped degrading each other because of race...let go of the stereotypes...and on a broader scope...stopped discriminating against others...based on race...gender...whatever...then maybe shit like this wouldn't happen...

    i'm done talking...

    I agree 150%.

    That is just straight up wrong.
    People are racist...and I know and accept this....its life....it sucks, but its life.
    But being a judge you have to be held to a higher standard. All decisions he has made in any case involving a black person are now in question.
    Its not just a halloween costume. It shows how he really feels.
    Something like that is terrible degrading thing.

    I have way too much to say on the race issue...and it upsets me. Im already upset today(those bastard Yankees) i dont want to get into it anymore.

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    I think it was a poor choice to dress as a black man in prison garb with handcuffs.

    otoh, I thought his brother's decision to be Buckwheat was funny.

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    Gabe and Kryssy, I can understand what you guys are saying about not making everything into a race issue; but I believe that the Judge made it a race issue for himself. What was he dressed as? It would have been one thing if he had just gone in the shackles and jumpsuit, but what was the cause for the blackface and the afro? Be honest, what was his costume saying about black people and why did the other people at the party find it funny. He may as well been a minstrel from the 1800's.

    Pan Dah, A judge is also a lawyer and to be on the board a lawyer must show that he/she is not prejudice in order to practice law. This can take place in or out of the courtroom. That is why David Duke can not practice law.

    Its not just a halloween costume. It shows how he really feels.
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    BTW Kryssy, you asked about the little girl's costume, many Native Americans would take offense to ANYONE dressed up as a Native American, even someone who is 100% Native American. Look.
    http://www.wcpo.com/news/2003/local/08/18/stahl.html
    And many Natives are against teams like the Cleveland Indians and protest EVERY year against Chief Wahoo. The fact is that it paints a stereotypical view of a group of people.
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    I dunno, maybe I have some twisted warped outlook on life. I honestly don't see a problem with a white man dressing as a black inmate for halloween, and I highly doubt there would have been any turmoil if the judge was black and dressed as a white inmate.

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    I have no opinion that would lean 100% in either direction. But I do remember years back when Ted Danson was dating Whoopi Goldberg.. He showed up at a function with her dressed in blackface. There was a big issue brought about that. He eventually lived it down, but it took a while for things to die down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade
    I dunno, maybe I have some twisted warped outlook on life. I honestly don't see a problem with a white man dressing as a black inmate for halloween, and I highly doubt there would have been any turmoil if the judge was black and dressed as a white inmate.
    ditto and amen...

    people get sooooo worked up over halloween costumes... for example, a couple years back, I dressed up as an old man; grey hair, cane, Mr. Rogers sweater, the works. I had about 6 people come up to me and get pissed because, and I quote, "my grandpa is old!!"

    Inevitably, halloween costumes are bound to piss off someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Guy
    ditto and amen...

    people get sooooo worked up over halloween costumes... for example, a couple years back, I dressed up as an old man; grey hair, cane, Mr. Rogers sweater, the works. I had about 6 people come up to me and get pissed because, and I quote, "my grandpa is old!!"

    Inevitably, halloween costumes are bound to piss off someone.
    Not mine...im gonna be Daniel Larusso

    And my friend is gonna be the bad guy Johnny (i wanted to be the bad guy, b/c he has a cooler outfit....but i look more like daniel and he looks like johnny...yes...ill be sure to take pics.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AinNY
    Not mine...im gonna be Daniel Larusso

    And my friend is gonna be the bad guy Johnny (i wanted to be the bad guy, b/c he has a cooler outfit....but i look more like daniel and he looks like johnny...yes...ill be sure to take pics.)

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    hahaha... that's awesome.


    I'm still trying to figure out mine... Last year I was Robert Goulet (Will Ferrel's version), in full character of course. This year I was thinking about being the 777-FILM guy, but I don't know how I would dress up... I just want to talk with an annoying voice all night long

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    I dont see a prob with what the judge did it was all in fun.

    i see many black people make fun of other cultures but when someone does the same it's a diss look at dave chapple eddie murphy just to name two.

    Half my crew is black and we tell jokes about every nationality its time we learn to get over shit like that..
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    i personally don't make fun of a person's race...or anything else for that matter...i fail to see the humor in those type of jokes...and wonder about people that like to get a laugh at another's expence...
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    you should try it is very up lifting
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Guy


    hahaha... that's awesome.


    I'm still trying to figure out mine... Last year I was Robert Goulet (Will Ferrel's version), in full character of course. This year I was thinking about being the 777-FILM guy, but I don't know how I would dress up... I just want to talk with an annoying voice all night long
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    Quote Originally Posted by AinNY
    Hello and welcome to AOL movie phone

    "Well why dont you just tell me the name of the movie you want to see" (see who knows that one)
    HAHA... exactly what I was thinking. I don't make a good Kramer, but I can certainly act like a fool

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    You guys have to understand what this guy's job is. He is a Judge and determines the fate of people's lives. If he were just Joe-Six pack working at your local gas station who doesn't have any effect on people's lives. Judges are put at a higher behavioral standard than just your average run of the mill yankee-doodle. It is his JOB to sentence people and determine if they are guilty or not. If you were black would you like this guy determining your fate? Also considering all the amount of racial tension in the justice system, it was simply stupid for him to do something like that and not think it would raise up issues.

    Again I ask, Why couldn't he have gone simply as an inmate? Why did he feel the need to have to go as a BLACK inmate?

    Besides, he is a judge and he should know better. I say suspend him just for being stupid.

    Btw urnemesis, I don't mean to be accusatory towards you or anything but you mentioned
    i see many black people make fun of other cultures but when someone does the same it's a diss look at dave chapple eddie murphy just to name two.
    Would you appreciate it if someone mentioned all white people as "they" or "them." There are 1 billion black people in the world total, you just can't lump everyone as having the same political/religious/social-economic opinions on everything. There is no black membership card to some black cult. Black people don't all have the same beliefs, taste in music, or even taste in comedians. Not all black people watch BET and are members of the NAACP. It's as silly as saying "the gay agenda."

    Sorry, I don't want to cause any trouble. I am not attacking anyone btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chani_Fremen
    You guys have to understand what this guy's job is. He is a Judge and determines the fate of people's lives. If he were just Joe-Six pack working at your local gas station who doesn't have any effect on people's lives. Judges are put at a higher behavioral standard than just your average run of the mill yankee-doodle. It is his JOB to sentence people and determine if they are guilty or not. If you were black would you like this guy determining your fate? Also considering all the amount of racial tension in the justice system, it was simply stupid for him to do something like that and not think it would raise up issues.

    Again I ask, Why couldn't he have gone simply as an inmate? Why did he feel the need to have to go as a BLACK inmate?

    Besides, he is a judge and he should know better. I say suspend him just for being stupid.

    Btw urnemesis, I don't mean to be accusatory towards you or anything but you mentioned
    Would you appreciate it if someone mentioned all white people as "they" or "them." There are 1 billion black people in the world total, you just can't lump everyone as having the same political/religious/social-economic opinions on everything. There is no black membership card to some black cult. Black people don't all have the same beliefs, taste in music, or even taste in comedians. Not all black people watch BET and are members of the NAACP. It's as silly as saying "the gay agenda."

    Sorry, I don't want to cause any trouble. I am not attacking anyone btw.
    First of all I didn't want this thread to become a reason to fight..I was hoping we could all express our opinion without getting angry.
    Second of all Urenemesis isn't white.
    Third, I am and I have no problem people of my colour being callled they or them, I NEVER understood what the reason was for gettin all pissy if someone said they or them referrring to a group of people.
    Fouth the judge DIDN'T decide to go as a black inmate, he went originally as a
    White inmate, his brother in law suggested the wig and blackface to make the costume funnier.
    What difference does his skin colour make in wanting him determining our fate? Are you suggesting because he ultimately dressed as a black inmate that he might be more lenient on white criminals?To me that's like saying if I dress like fifty cent for helloween I'll be more lenient on the white dancers who break the rules in my club...preposterous.

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