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    I'm noticing lately that it seems like I can't make more than $6-700 at my club. Last night I was in Champagne Rooms literally all night, from when I got there until about twenty minutes before closing when I came out of the last room and kicked back in the dressing room. Eight hours. Other than that, I was never out of the rooms for more than fifteen minutes except for the one time I went on stage.

    I made good money, but I felt like I should have more at the end of the night.

    I'm attributing this to a few things:

    1. In this area, the club gets a big cut of our champagne rooms, so that my cut is only $70 for half an hour or $110 for an hour. About half of the girls in my club demand a $70 tip for the room, which obviously increases (doubles?) their money. I just feel like a tip is a tip, and shouldn't be demanded.

    2. A half hour room takes an hour? I kept track last night, and by the time I talked to a guy for 5-10 minutes, then we waited 5-10 minutes for the champagne host (who takes the money), then it takes 3-5 minutes for his speil ("a half hour? you know for a little more you can double your time with the lady?" and just general chat - he bonds with the customers a bit so that they come to him when they want rooms and he hooks them up with me ), and then 5 minutes or so for him to get our drinks and start our time, and then 35-40 minutes for a 30 minute room (extra time because the guys are regulars, or it's happy hour, or the champagne host is busy), that's sometimes more than an hour.

    3. Back to the tip thing. People don't really tip at my club? One guy last night made this big huge deal like he was handing me a hundred bucks and then when I looked at it it was a ten. Some guys do tip well, but not the majority. My regulars especially seem to be in the habit of not tipping or tipping a few dollars.

    So how do I increase my income? I really like my club, plus have limited club options, so changing clubs is not an option (plus I work like one day a week, and my club is very accomodating). I'm not going to demand tips. Some of the girls at my club wait until they get in the room, and then ask for a tip before they start the room. I definitely won't do that. I was thinking of telling the customers before the room that it's the regular prices "plus x dollars to me," but somehow I don't see that working really well.

    Multiple hour champagne rooms don't seem to help much either, tho if I sell them as multiple half hour rooms that works (2 hours = $220, 4 half hours = $280).

    What do you guys think?

    Lena



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    Default Re: $$$ ceiling?

    Maybe you should tip your host more so he doesn't fart around.

    Our club does that too...a half hour champagne room can end up being almost an hour by the time everything is settled. the worst is when the host "forgets" you.

    Also, try to order a simple drink that already comes in a bottle, like beer, water or champagne (and encourage him to do the same!)

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    Yeah, that used to happen to me in PR, a single half hour always took almost an hour. Perhaps you can try telling them you have an hour minimum, and get them to pay for the hour up front, so you can do one straight hour, which will at least cut down on some of the down time. Some guys may not go for it, but some will. Or perhaps just arrange your VIPs yourself, collect your own money (charge more), pay the host for the time as you go in and get going. I have often done that in clubs with alot of BS between closing the sale and actually collecting on it. If the club has an ATM, all the better, get the guys to get the cash from the machine, take them to VIP, hand the host the club's cut and his tip, and tell him you're going for x amount of time and you've already got the money, and you're ready to go NOW.

    I don't understand this champagne host bullshit anyway, IMO it's just another damn hand in my pocket. I don't need some goon to sell rooms and collect for me, I can sell them and get the money myself!

    Your regulars don't tip you because you've let them know they don't have to, by not asking for tips. You could tell them straight out that the other girls are charging double, so you're raising your fee as well. Maybe they'll go with other girls, but I'm betting that as soon as the other girls run the "tip" scam on them in the room, they'll happily go back to you because at least you're straight with them.

    But alas, no matter what you do, there is an earning ceiling in almost every club, and I halfway think the clubs design it that way! Think about it - most girls will go home after a great night and not show up again for days or weeks. Clubs don't like that, and it's easier to keep the girls coming back if everything is structured so girls can't ever really have that GREAT night. To say nothing of the fact that they're in direct competition with us for the customer $s - if they see us making too much, they raise fees and cuts so they get a bigger chunk.

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    I have met a dancer who topped out at about $1100-1200 a shift. She can't seem to make more than that. The funny thing is that she does this consistantly 4 nights a week. She works 9 hour shifts, too. I watch her dancing, and she has just about every available song sold. I think she needs to move to Vegas or someplace where she can use her skills to make some real cash! I, however, am at only half of her earnings at the same club, so I know more money is there to be had, and it makes me feel good about working there!

    I wish you luck. Maybe start droping little hints to your customers that "so and so's customer tipped her $50 after her room. That guy must really have it goin' on!" Make it sound like he will be cooler and more prestigious in your mind if he were to tip more after the room. Another method is paying your host to say something. If he sells the guy on tipping you after your room, offer to split the tip w/ him or something. Then you don't have to bring it up, yet the customer still gets the message.


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    oh lordy.....6 or 700?! to me even that is insane. my best night i did 450...and that was a 7 hour shift. of course, in my club we sell 20$ lap dances....so i'm not sure about this champagne room stuff....but i average about 200$ a night. man, i really need to switch to a different club.


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    I know how feel. If you can't get comfy asking for a tip, try a dif club. You obviously have no prob selling vip. So do it where you get paid more. In my club half hour is 120 or 96 and an hour is 240 or 192. The lower figure is if the guy pays in funny money.

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    Sometimes it's inappropriate to ask for a tip. These times are when the guy just handed you money....and you ask for more??? That just makes you look like you're all about the money, and an instant turn-off for the guy. You'll actually make more in the long run by not demanding that extra tip.

    Also, just because a club doesn't have a VIP room, it doesn't mean you need to find a different club. Your ceiling will be lower. It's really hard to break $500 in a lap dance only club...but just because you won't break $500 very often, it doesn't mean it's a bad club.

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    Default Re: $$$ ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    Also, just because a club doesn't have a VIP room, it doesn't mean you need to find a different club. Your ceiling will be lower. It's really hard to break $500 in a lap dance only club...but just because you won't break $500 very often, it doesn't mean it's a bad club.
    Absolutely correct. The strategy is a bit different and yet it doesn't make it a bad thing. Just ask all the dancers on here who work in a club who's highest income earner is $300 a night. They would kill to have the oportunity to scrap the VIP room and just do floor dances for $500 a night.

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    Default Re: $$$ ceiling?

    I have no experience in the "room" department - we do all of our lapdances out on the regular floor, for $20 each. The only way to get a guy to "buy our hour" is to ask him to pay for our time while we sit with him in between dances (assuming he wants us to hang out for quite a while).

    But I can say this - even we "floor girls" hit money caps, and sometimes all it takes is a day off, and then the next time I go back to work I arrive a little early, wearing an outfit I would normally wear to a party or to a nightclub.. I then sit at the bar (or an area where I can observe), and have a few drinks while watching the other girls methods... I then go to change, check in, and work with a new perspective..

    Sometimes being so far inside the bubble, it's hard to see all the pretty colours. You really need to step back and make a decision "I AM going to make X amount of dollars tonight, and I AM going to try THIS _____".

    Good luck!

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    My club is a lap dance only club with compulsory stage. Granted, the most times I've done stage in one night is five times in one night.... with most nights I work requiring me to do it three times at least.

    Taking into account that a dancer will do stage three times a night (15 mins. max but usually 4 songs each time), have be "out the back" waiting to go on stage at least 5 minutes prior to her actual stage set as well as having to do the Mega Strip (approx. 10 mins max.) at 3am (and once again be out the back ready for it 5 mins prior)..... That's at least an hour 15 the dancer isn't allowed to be "booked".

    Then take into account that the clubs opens at 8pm and the first customer usually doesn't buy a dance (even regulars) until 9pm.... that's another hour making it two hours the dancer will not be booked for at my club.

    If the dancer worked 9pm until 4.30am (at least).... minus the two hours I just mentioned... that's a total of 5 and half hours left. Therefore the cap would be, based on the dancer being booked for 5 and half hours in my club, $1320.

    Instead... the average dancer will only be booked for a half hour at my club every hour (it's not that common for dancers to be booked for hours) so basically... $660 is a more "realistic" earnings cap at my club.

    Lap dances only - no tips on stage (stage is seen as a show) and in dances.


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