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    Well, Venus...actually you can convict someone with circumstantial evidence....but it has to be convincing arguments. I have a feeling this was not. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he's going to be convicted. If that happens, I hope the jury that is selected after Lacy's father blows that farker's head off also sets him free.
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    Thanks for the clarification Stant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Misfit...your case is an exception...however, your boys were convicted based on EVIDENCE that "connected" them to a crime (a confession, etc). It may have been faulty evidence...it may have been coerced...but, in a jury's mind, it was evidence. THAT'S why they were convicted. In the Peterson case, there is NO evidence. No confession...no crime weapon...no proof. It's just the Prosecuter's "version" against the defense's "version". You cannot convict someone based on circumstantial evidence. If there was a direct link (murder weapon or bloody clothes) and everything else was circumstantial...then you can convict...however, this is not the case here.
    Actually, all three teens were tried in seperate trials. Jessie Misskelley, the mentally retarded kid who gave the "confession" had his own seperate trial in a different county because his statement implicated Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin. Jessie's statement was allowed to be used during his trial but was not allowed to be used in Damien and Jason's trial even though Jessie's statement was leaked to the press within days after he made it and it was not allowed to be used as evidence in Damien and Jason's trial even though everybody knew about Jessie's statement through the press and it was mentioned a couple times in the courtroom in front of the jury but the jury was told to "disreguard that statement." Damien and Jason were still convicted based on Jessie's statement which was FILLED with holes and inconsistances. He couldn't even tell the police what time of day it happened...day or night. He said the boys were raped, even though the medical examiner testified that there were no signs of rape to the anus or the mouth.

    All three of them were convicted on horribly filmsy heresay evidence. This town wanted somebody hung from the highest tree for what was done to those little boys and they sure did hang somebody...but not the people who did it. They got to walk free...
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    Eh...can't comment much as I do not know anything about the case.

    There are many such problems, however, in every state. There were several men released from death row in Illinois after a decade or so. It was proved that they never, physically, could have committed the crimes that they were incarcerated for. Dishonest police officers, shady prosecutors...corrupt judges...the list goes on. It's sad...and it needs to be stopped...but only the citizens can really stop it by demanding action. Not sitting and complaining about what's not happening. However, as much as most people like sticking their noses in other people's business...those same people are very much "against" getting involved. Sad.

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    I agree Venus. The people who are involved in the Wm3 case do a lot to help the 3 men who were wrongfully convicted. People donate money to help them pay for their lawyer fees, visit them in prison, write them letters, send money to their comminsary funds, ect. For 11 years now we have fought to bring attention to this travesty of justice and we are suceeding one day at a time. We also have a lot of celebrities who are involved in the case. One day, these men who have had over a decade of their lives taken away from them for something they did not do, will be free. And I am glad I was one of those people to help make that possible.
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    Wanted to bump this one up because the jury's supposedly "deliberating".There was talk about a juror getting dismissed, although I haven't heard anything else about it. They're saying that there is a good chance that the jury will be deadlocked. Gah.. Hook him, Book him, and Cook him already. Sheesh.

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    Well, earlier today they got rid of a juror that couldn't make up her mind, they're supposed to bring another juror in. I think we may have a decision by tomorrow morning. That SOB did it! He's guilty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    You cannot convict someone based on circumstantial evidence.
    VG -

    While that may or may not be the case in California, as I have no knowledge of specific California statutory criminal law and California may well have enacted a statute requiring at least some direct evidence in order for a conviction to be upheld, the general rule nationwide is to the contrary, i.e., a conviction based on circumstantial evidence alone is perfectly valid. All that's required is for the appellate court to be able to view all of the evidence adduced in a light most favorable to the prosecution and see that if the jury accepted same as true it would be able to arrive at a conclusion of guilt. Way more people are convicted in this manner than you realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    VG -

    While that may or may not be the case in California, as I have no knowledge of specific California statutory criminal law and California may well have enacted a statute requiring at least some direct evidence in order for a conviction to be upheld, the general rule nationwide is to the contrary, i.e., a conviction based on circumstantial evidence alone is perfectly valid. All that's required is for the appellate court to be able to view all of the evidence adduced in a light most favorable to the prosecution and see that if the jury accepted same as true it would be able to arrive at a conclusion of guilt. Way more people are convicted in this manner than you realize.
    It may be just me...but it seems that a lot of people are convicted wrongly because of this method. How many people have been exonerated because it was later proven that the evidence was not complete or completely circumstantial and the jurors made a bad decision.

    After reading this article about Peterson's jury, though...they dismissed a woman who would not "bend" because she couldn't understand how he could do something so heinous...it may very well be a guilty verdict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vixie
    Well, earlier today they got rid of a juror that couldn't make up her mind, they're supposed to bring another juror in. I think we may have a decision by tomorrow morning. That SOB did it! He's guilty!

    ViXie
    Ah, okay Vixie.. Thanks, I hadn't heard anything more about it. I know that the judge had spoken to all the jurors and urged them not to change their minds just for the sake of agreeing and reaching a verdict. That was the part that worried me, thinking that the bastard could get away with it.

    One thing that my husband said earlier though, was even if he gets away with it in court, he won't get away with it while he's walking around free. Someone will get him.

    I do hope though, that they find him guilty. Laci and Conner need justice so that they may finally rest in peace. Whether it's the death penalty, or life in prison, I don't care, I just want him punished for what he's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    It may be just me...but it seems that a lot of people are convicted wrongly because of this method. How many people have been exonerated because it was later proven that the evidence was not complete or completely circumstantial and the jurors made a bad decision.

    After reading this article about Peterson's jury, though...they dismissed a woman who would not "bend" because she couldn't understand how he could do something so heinous...it may very well be a guilty verdict.
    You're absolutely correct - there ARE a lot of people wrongfully convicted because of this method. The best example of this is with rape. DOJ has begun going back and testing all existing samples. At the present time, about 3% of samples have been tested and, based on statistical projections, DOJ estimates there are probably 20,000+ guys wrongfully imprisoned right now. Unfortunately, if a woman gets on stand and says "yep, it's him, he did it," jury will almost always convict. But what we're finding out is that eyewitness testimony is one of the LEAST reliable forms of evidence. This is why I mentioned possible California statutory requirements - some States have begun to try to solve dilemma by requiring something in addition to either just circumstantial evidence or only one eyewitnesses' testimony. Obviously, is big problem though, as we certainly don't want to start erring in other direction and allowing rapists, etc. to get away with it either.
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    ^ You should read the article I mentioned...it's in the Colin Farrell edition of GQ. A man who spent 22 years in a maximum security prison for a crime he did not commit and the woman who worked for 11 years to get him out...

    You'd be absolutely floored...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    ^ You should read the article I mentioned...it's in the Colin Farrell edition of GQ. A man who spent 22 years in a maximum security prison for a crime he did not commit and the woman who worked for 11 years to get him out...

    You'd be absolutely floored...
    Will do... but doubt it'll even phase, much less floor me, 'cause unless they knew he was innocent (or at least had evidence making his guilt so unlikely as to be impossible to convict) and nevertheless decided to put him away anyway, I've seen worse. And once again, that too happens far more frequently than you (or most of the rest of America) realizes.
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    ^ Wait'll you read the article. I've worked for lawyers for almost 8 years...and thought I'd heard just about everything...and then this article came along. He was convicted on blood type (Type O...which 40% of the black population has) even though the boxers were twice his size (that were left at the scene) and the little girl who was raped said it wasn't him...when he was finally released 22 years later, the sex crimes unit director refused to take him off the "sex offenders" list even though he was found "not guilty" of the crimes. Grrrrrr...it's pissing me off again just thinking of it.

    I'll let you read the article. It's very angering...it made me want to fly down there and smack some sense into those people's heads...

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    Rhiannon~ I thought we would have a decision by now but not yet...I'm concerned that at this point he may just walk away from it. But yeah someone will get him...he will definitely get his.

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    The foreman of the jury is now gone.

    I smell a mistrial/hung jury.
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    I just caught that, Nina.. This is ridiculous. They're not even letting us know why they let her go either. There's also a gag order on both of the dismissed ones, so they can't let us know either until it's all over. Ugh.

    I definitely don't like the looks of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy
    The foreman of the jury is now gone.

    I smell a mistrial/hung jury.
    Yea, apparently some of the jurors are having problems following the judges instructions regarding the law. And that being the case, a hung jury's actually the better outcome, 'cause everytime a juror is removed it's a built-in basis for appeal, and the odds are always in favor of the prosecution on a retrial as defense is literally "locked in" re their entire case, whereas prosecution gets to regroup and study everything from top to bottom before they take another run at the defendant. And more often than not, that proves to be a decisive advantage.

    If they hang, the split will be very telling - prosecution pulls 8 off of this jury and he's done; prosecution's presentation of case will improve dramatically 2nd time around.
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    What I'm confused about, is aren't they supposed to be "sequestered"? How did the first dismissed juror do her "own research"? Aren't they sheltered from any outside things like that? They're supposedly only given the evidence to look over and nothing else.

    It's very confusing.

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    I just heard on the radio (here in Canada) that a juror was dismissed because she had 'feelings' for one of the prosecutors (Mark Geragos) and hadn't paid attention during the trial. Wtf?

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    Ugh, what a rumor. It takes all kinds....I was assuming some of the jurors were "having feelings" for book deals....you know, $$$$$........

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    Oh, absolutely Maxine.. Once this is all said and done, the jurors will be singing like canaries. You'll see them on every talk show on the circuit, and probably even in People magazine.

    They'll all get their 15 minutes, no doubt.

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    Rhiannon...the jury has only been sequestered since Nov. 3. She was most likely doing her research before then, but during the trial. The jurors job is not to do side research, but to take the evidence that was presented within the courtroom...within the case and make a decision based on that.

    This juror most likely said mentioned that she's done research...blah, blah, blah and got called on it by the others.

    The jury foreman is a shock, though. Being that he's a lawyer/doctor....seems like he would have had to do something really stupid/bad to get kicked out. He should know better! I smell a really bad legal battle coming on, though... Ick!

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    Here's an update:

    http://courttv.com/trials/peterson/111004_ctv.html

    My boss is quoted in there!! Yippee!! The guy from Chicago...

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