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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    You go girl! I don't want anybody telling me what I can or cannot do with my own body, and I'm not interested in telling anybody else what they can or cannot do with theirs. Start down that path and those that currently advocate the contrary position will someday find themselves on the wrong end of the "telling."
    Ummmmm Gnb,you can be forced to support a child,even jailed if you refuse.

    Consent to sex for men shouldnt also mean consent to giving up all rights in the event of a life started.
    Only 1 in 3 have "rights" and "choices"in the same sex act.

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    BigGrn- please tell me and all the other women out here in the US why you , a man who we dont know, has the right to decide what we do or dont do with out uturus ?

    What gives you the right to tell me when to give birth or not ?

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    TL> I think I know!!

    because he's mad because he's got to pay child support for a child he doesn't want. So if he has to support a child he doesn't want, so do you.

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    BigGreenM, me thinks you is Ali G in disguise. Spell check! Spell check!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    sorry sweety,i knew you were gonna say something like this.
    The rape card only works on guys who dont know about the issue.
    Even implying that i condone rape is whats revolting..
    1. I DID NOT IMPLY YOU CONDONE RAPE- that is a flat out lie on your part

    2. it appears to me that you are not among those who understand what affects rape can have on a woman.

    3. please don't call me sweetie- I am not your sweetie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chani_Fremen
    BigGrnMn. So a woman should be forced to go to term and gestate? One word: Romania.
    It seems the man is forced on many fronts of this topic,but when forcing a woman is said,its bad???

    I dont want to force females into anything.I just want them to be responsible for their decisions and actions.You know,just the the guy in the same sex act.
    Surprise!!!!!
    If you have sex,you may get pregnant!
    If you have sex,and get pregnant,I think you should be forced to be responsible for your actions,just like the man is held to account.

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    I dont want to force females into anything
    If that were at all true then you'd niot oppose a womans right to choose what happens to her reproductive organs and abilities.

    the very fact that you want to make those choices for a woman says that you are willing to force women to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    wow, this is extreme

    I rarely see someone put a fetus' rights over those of a self-sustaining human being.
    are you kidding me???
    Its called the Pro life movement.
    Btw,i also took the side of the host in medical situations.

    I'm thinking by reading this thread that BigGreen is concerned by how few rights men have as fathers, but taking it to such an extreme level simply because it will hurt women just as he feels men have been hurt. Take one away from women, thereby giving one more to men, right

    The problem with this is that you're essentially punishing women by taking away our rights to satisfy your need to even the score. Perhaps you should concentrate on giving men back some of their rights, which would also have the same effect.
    lol
    Im not trying to take anything away or even any scores.

    Whats right is right.Killing unborn children isnt right,doesnt matter how many exscuses you toss out.
    A womans rights are worth more then a mans?(right now yes)
    Are a womans rights worth more then a unborn childs?(right now yes)


    Even most pro choicers dont agree with abortion,are they also on some lifetime television male bashing kick or some male trying to sock it to the gals for the bennifit of the guys??
    thats schoolyard silliness to even suggest.

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    Default Re: Will an abortion be murder legaly if Roe v Wade is over turned ?

    OK- here's a wacky concept to ponder and discuss

    If it's immoral to end a pregnancy is it also immoral to have a vasectomy or tubes tied ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    a medical operation to save the mother isnt an issue,even if roe wade was overturned it would not stop medical life saving operations.

    Rape is 1% of abortions.
    Maybe when the roe wade decision is overturned,there will be provisions for cases of PROVED rape.Im open to listen to suggestions as to what they would be,with the bottom line ending being a rapest in jail.
    Again i would ask,if its only allowed in cases of rape,do you think alot of men and boys will be falsely charged with rape just so the woman can get an abortion??

    Ever have a one night stand??
    If your one night stand got preggers,would she cry rape when she got pregnant,just to have an abortion, if that was the only way to get one??
    wow...

    sure, that might happen, but how many times do women NOT report rape today? My girlfriend worked as a counselor at a university a few years back and she spoke to more than a few women that were raped, but were too scared to speak up. The one girl that did, was ridiculed, harrassed, and eventually left the school... all because a frat boy and his friends teamed up together to deny her accusation.

    So, it goes both ways, regardless if Roe vs. Wade gets overturned.


    How you feel is what you get,because you dont get a say in whatever she decides to do with your unborn child.
    agreed

    When a man and woman drop their pants TOGETHER,only one has rights to anything that happens.
    That aint equal.
    as a man, I take responsibility for my actions. When in the heat of the moment, I'm more than capable of covering it... In fact, I have the right not to have sex!! Imagine that! (fyi - not directing this at you, just the morons you go around having sex unprotected and wondering why the girl is pregnant .

    I won't have to carry a baby in my body and eventually give birth. I was born that way, and I live with that fact. Therefore, it's not my body, and not my right.

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    Its called the Pro life movement.
    Btw,i also took the side of the host in medical situations.
    ah yes there's that term again- THE HOST

    I think that phrasing pretty much sums up the point of view we are dealing with in this guy. But remember he's not alone out there in thinking women dont deserve the right to say what happens to their bodies-- and that being the facts of things those of us who do want to have the right to control our own bodies must stand up and be counted everytime we get the chance to be heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    BigGrn- please tell me and all the other women out here in the US why you , a man who we dont know, has the right to decide what we do or dont do with out uturus ?

    What gives you the right to tell me when to give birth or not ?
    Nothing.I have no rights.
    And neither does the guy who had sex with you.
    And neither does your husband.
    And neither did your father.

    It seems like only the pregnant woman has rights.Oh wait,thats right,she IS the only one with rights currently.

    Im sorry it scares you so much to even think about giving your sex partner the same rights and failsafes as you have for the same sex act.
    Any way you cut it,the MAN is half responsible for the pregnancy.
    Only the man can currently be forced to support.

    If we can force a man to support a unwanted child,why is it so bad to force a woman to do the same thing??

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    a potential human being is not a human being, otherwise you should be put on trial for coming in that sock next to your bed

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    They say a fetus becomes an actual (partial really) "being" when it no longer has just a clump of cells to grow, i.e. brain activity, at 12 weeks. After that i am still pro choice. How many women have had an unwanted pregnancy only to actually show up around the 3 months? Many. It is our bodies, and our right to do what we want, again terminate the pregnancy. Here clinics will go up to 3 months, Orlando does abortions after 3 moths along. I mean come on, we have women and men dropping off babies at our local hospitals and fire stations because someone talked these women into "doing the right thing."

    Sure alot of fathers may care, but this is an issue they must stand back on. It not theor body, and the state/s don't look at a fetus as having rights, it's not living on this earth, it can't speak for itself.

    If they stop abortions, which they wont, women will just go under ground anyway.

    Pamela

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    this is why misogynists should stick to playing music and out of politics

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    A womans rights are worth more then a mans?(right now yes)
    No- we each have the right to choice what we do with our own biodies.

    Are a womans rights worth more then a unborn childs?(right now yes)
    sorry, but IMO- yes.

    Im sorry it scares you so much to even think about giving your sex partner the same rights and failsafes as you have for the same sex act.
    That may be your opinion but it is a complete lie.

    The truth is what scares me is letting other make the choices of what happens to my body and soul- especially the most intimate parts such as the ones you seem to want control over.

    why do you want to control what we do with our uterus ? Why should a man way up in VA have control over what me a married woman in FL does with her uterus?

    I just dont get why you need to control my reproductive organs-- Isn't controling your own enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    TL> I think I know!!

    because he's mad because he's got to pay child support for a child he doesn't want. So if he has to support a child he doesn't want, so do you.
    Lol you wish,then I would make a real easy target for that kind of petty,femi nazi type, rebutle.

    Sorry,I dont have to be forced to do anything for my kids.

    Even if I were in a child support situation like so many men i know,again,I wouldnt have to be forced.
    My children are my life,they have been since i learned of their conception.

    Im sorry when a man says anything about abortion and the lack of mens rights to their unborn children,it starts females a-huffin.

    Sure wish they could just tell us why we dont deserve the rights to our children just like they do, instead of getting all emotional and tossing out words like rape,forced,and MY BODY.

    Cant ya do any better???

    Hope so,cause your arguments for keeping abortion legal are slowely going away every day.
    When the day comes when people are asked to vote,do you think the femi nazi film over the topic will remain and no man is going to say "wait a sec,i got no rights in the issue"??

    When the smoke screen of abortion is cleared,what side do you think the men of the country will be on??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    a potential human being is not a human being, otherwise you should be put on trial for coming in that sock next to your bed
    Its a life at conception,not at masterbation.
    Thats when the sperm meets the egg and life is started,not when the sperm hits the sock,unless of course there are some eggs hiding it the sock.

    I guess the question is IF the sock can be a host.

    You tell me,when is it a life???

    at conception??
    1st tri?
    2nd tri?
    3rd tri?

    The problem is,even the pro choicers cant decide!!

    Many agree with 1st tri abortions,but not 3rd or pba's.

    WHY?????

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    First, what's wrong with protecting the rights of my body? Once we are telling people that they are not entitled to the inherent rights of the constitution then it becomes a slippery slope and we go backwards in time. While you may not think my rights are important, the founding fathers of this country did...thankfully.

    There is no smoke screen. This is defined in our constitution (you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). What next? Do you want to sew my vagina up when I'm 8 years old?

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    Not all pro-choicers have the same opinion, just like not all pro-lifers have the same opinion. (I know you'd like to believe that the other pro-lifers feel the same way you do, but the majority don't hate women to the effect you seem to do.)

    So you've determined that a zygote is life. I believe it's well beyond that (when the fetus is self-sustaining). There's really no amount of debate that either of us can do to change that, so I will stifle the urge to spell it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    Sure alot of fathers may care, but this is an issue they must stand back on. It not theor body, and the state/s don't look at a fetus as having rights, it's not living on this earth, it can't speak for itself.
    Im sorry Pam,I dont agree.
    A man should never stand back and just let his child be killed.

    If a man doesnt protect the rights and life of his unborn kids,why would he even bother when the child is born,or when they are 14?
    You want men to be men under females conditions,that aint gonna work.
    If both had to consent to abortion,do you think as many abortions would happen??
    Or do you think sexuality in america would change drastically??

    Lol
    would we even need abortion anymore if men had a say???

    I doubt it.Legs would slam together so fast it would creat a national sonic boom.
    Im thinking Abstinence would be the word of the day.

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    I'm more than capable of covering it... In fact, I have the right not to have sex!! Imagine that!
    See A_Guy gets it BigGrn, it's not that hard to understand

    First, what's wrong with protecting the rights of my body? Once we are telling people that they are not entitled to the inherent rights of the constitution then it becomes a slippery slope and we go backwards in time. While you may not think my rights are important, the founding fathers of this country did...thankfully
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    Well Emily as you already knowm there is nothing wrong with fighting to protect the rights of your own body. Ofcourse those who subscribe to misognist thinking for example, will disagree. But well they are wrong, imo as well the laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Im sorry giving men rights to their children is so unnerving to you.
    It hasnt happened yet,so dont fret over it yet.
    Again you are missing the fact that men already do have the same rights to choose what to do their body.

    And maybe you should ask yourself why it is so unerving to you that women have the right to say what happens to their body

    why do you want to control what we do with our uterus ?

    Why should you- a man way up in VA have control over what me, a married mother of 1 in FL, does with her uterus?

    I just dont get it- why do you need to control my reproductive organs-- Isn't controling your own enough

    at any rate I can't keep trying to understand why BigGrn wants to tell me when I can have a kid or not, at least not any more today because I have to go back to Mom mode myself now !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    I just dont get why you need to control my reproductive organs-- Isn't controling your own enough
    Its been called a whopper at times,but i got it under control,thanks for asking.
    If men give up their rights at consent,why shouldnt a woman??


    The reason is.......


    Because then abortion would be gone and the femi nazi's know this.Thats why they jump all over any male who suggest something as silly as fathers with rights to their children.
    i think it stumps them.
    They cant give reasons outside of selfish ones for keeping abortion legal,and they sure as chit cant justify why men have no rights in the same sex act.
    why do you want to control what we do with our uterus ? Why should a man way up in VA have control over what me a married woman in FL does with her uterus?
    Im not looking to control your uterus.Im not even trying to curb the sexual behaior of others.Im just trying to get men the same rights and "choices"as females get.
    A man in FLA ,who may be married to you and got you pregnant,has the same rights to the child as the guy in Va.None.

    Im sorry you dont get that or choose to see the wrong in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adina
    BigGreenM, me thinks you is Ali G in disguise. Spell check! Spell check!
    true dat!
    booyakow!!!

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