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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I agree 100%.

    Now lets talk at what age is ok with you.
    should it be elementary,middle school,highschool,or collage??( I say highschool is ok,jr year to be exact)

    Teaching a kid about sex is one thing.handing them condoms on request is another thing.

    Btw...
    Is your sons school pro choice or pro life??
    Do they mirror your views???
    Is the sex ed teacher pro choice or pro life??
    Does she follow school guidelines??
    does she mirror your views on the topic?
    will she reenforce your home teaching on the topic with her teachings or will she teach the opposite of what your telling your kids at home?

    What about the substitute teacher??

    Im all for sex ed,i just think it differs when you get past the mechanics of sex and stray into topics such as abortions and handing out birth control.

    can a child be taught by a pro life teacher on the details of abortion or vise versa??

    To many gray areas,and i dont like putting my "kids"into those gray area situations.

    Its a debate between parents that is being faught in the schools of our children.
    What age is good with me? Once they're old enough to engage in such activities it's not really me that's going to actually get to make that choice. Hopefully, I'll have taught them enough to make an intelligent decision as to the right time and the right person and for the right reasons by the time they reach that point, but in the end all I can actually do is try to INSTILL WITHIN THEM the knowledge, wisdom, and good sense required to make the decision that's most appropriate for themselves. What I CAN'T do is prevent them from doing something like having sex by telling them "don't," and what I WON'T do is try to prevent them from doing something like having sex by implicitly, much less explicitly telling them there's something wrong with what they're naturally chomping at the bit to do.

    And as far as what anyone else, all the way from the Elementary School teacher to the High School Janitor tells them, I could give a good G**Damned less... 'cause if I've done my job as a parent correctly, the lines of communication will still be open and we'll have long since crossed the bridge re nervousness or whatever when it comes to talking to me about things like sex, so I'm not too worried my otherwise intelligent child will be sent off on a tangent by someone else because I'm fairly confident he'll just ask me about whatever they've told him if he has any questions. Furthermore, I'd LIKE for him to hear, consider, analyze, etc., other viewpoints and ideas, 'cause that's a huge part of what he needs to learn to do while he's growing up and, in the end, my views are not necessarily the only way for him to go or what he'll ultimately decide to adopt as his views. I'm trying to raise a child who can think for himself, and feels free to have his own opinions, values, etc., even if contrary to mine - not a clone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    First, what's wrong with protecting the rights of my body? Once we are telling people that they are not entitled to the inherent rights of the constitution then it becomes a slippery slope and we go backwards in time. While you may not think my rights are important, the founding fathers of this country did...thankfully.

    There is no smoke screen. This is defined in our constitution (you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). What next? Do you want to sew my vagina up when I'm 8 years old?
    lol your a riot!!!!
    I do belive we could share a bottle of wine and argue all night!!!
    As for the roe wade RULING...
    Its not a law.
    Its also not in the constitution.
    Its not even an ammendment!!!
    You have a court ruling giving you the right to abort,not a constitional right,you dont even have an ammendment.

    Why isnt there an ammendment to the constitution giving the right to abortion???
    why why why???

    Wanna know???

    Cause its wrong,and most of the country thinks so.

    If it comes to a vote,pro choice and abortions are gone IMO.(kinda like same sex marriage etc)

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    The answer to this question is: We don't know yet for certain, but it does look likely that it would be considered first degree murder and women would be facing the death penalty in many states across the country.

    It is unfortunate that many ProLife persons don't see the hypocrisy in this but that is another topic in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Consent to sex for men shouldnt also mean consent to giving up all rights in the event of a life started.
    Whoop! There it is! That, in a nutshell, is what ROE was all about - and personally, I agree with their resolution of the issue, i.e., up until the point of "viability," it's not a "life" started in the sense of a legal person that's accorded rights, etc. Until that point, it's just a mass of developing cells that she could just as easily wind up miscarrying and producing the same end result. As such, it's part of her, it's not yet a person in its own right, and neither me, you, nor the government should be tyrying to tell her what she can or cannot do with her body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    What age is good with me? Once they're old enough to engage in such activities it's not really me that's going to actually get to make that choice. Hopefully, I'll have taught them enough to make an intelligent decision as to the right time and the right person and for the right reasons by the time they reach that point, but in the end all I can actually do is try to INSTILL WITHIN THEM the knowledge, wisdom, and good sense required to make the decision that's most appropriate for themselves. What I CAN'T do is prevent them from doing something like having sex by telling them "don't," and what I WON'T do is try to prevent them from doing something like having sex by implicitly, much less explicitly telling them there's something wrong with what they're naturally chomping at the bit to do.
    ok this all sounds good,and i agree with alot of it.
    But what happens when your 12 year old middle school kid,or your 14 year old highschool freashman comes home with a pocketfull of rubbers that they were given in school??
    Sorry,but your missing the boat on this one.You dont tell your child not to do something,then give them the stuff to go against what you just said.

    We also tell the kids not to do drugs.I dont see free needles in schools??
    why is that??

    If im telling my 12 year old not to have sex,the last thing i need is for the PUBLIC school (and posibly some fucktard of a low paid teacher)to be telling them"well,we know what your folks say,but we know your going to do it anyways,so heres what ya need".
    isnt that the school undermining the parents???
    What other liberties will you let the school board get away with???

    Are free needles next???
    [/quote]And as far as what anyone else, all the way from the Elementary School teacher to the High School Janitor tells them, I could give a good G**Damned less... 'cause if I've done my job as a parent correctly, the lines of communication will still be open and we'll have long since crossed the bridge re nervousness or whatever when it comes to talking to me about things like sex, so I'm not too worried my otherwise intelligent child will be sent off on a tangent by someone else because I'm fairly confident he'll just ask me about whatever they've told him if he has any questions. [/quote]
    As any parent of teens will tell you,sometimes the line of communication isnt as good as either side may wish when it comes to teenagers.

    Furthermore, I'd LIKE for him to hear, consider, analyze, etc., other viewpoints and ideas, 'cause that's a huge part of what he needs to learn to do while he's growing up and, in the end, my views are not necessarily the only way for him to go or what he'll ultimately decide to adopt as his views. I'm trying to raise a child who can think for himself, and feels free to have his own opinions, values, etc., even if contrary to mine - not a clone.
    Have you discussed his rights with him if he was to get a female pregnant??

    I would be interested on a teen males viewpoint if told he has no rights.


    BTW....


    What if I told you I was a sex ed teacher in public schools???

    Outside of the poor spelling,it could be true.
    Would it be ok for me and my views to be teaching your children every day??

    I agree with my opinions whole heartedly,but as you can see,some dont.Would they agree with me teaching their kids in school???
    I could under current guidelines.
    And i could teach the very points im discussing under current guidlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Whoop! There it is! That, in a nutshell, is what ROE was all about - and personally, I agree with their resolution of the issue, i.e., up until the point of "viability," it's not a "life" started in the sense of a legal person that's accorded rights, etc. Until that point, it's just a mass of developing cells that she could just as easily wind up miscarrying and producing the same end result. As such, it's part of her, it's not yet a person in its own right, and neither me, you, nor the government should be tyrying to tell her what she can or cannot do with her body.
    since roe wade,how many times has the viability clock changed??
    2-3 times??
    If you would have said 20 years ago that a fetus is viable at 23 weeks,most would have laughed at you then.

    So when is it a life??

    You dont know,I dont know,doctors dont know,guess we just gotta go with the old standbye,From the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Its been called a whopper at times,but i got it under control,thanks for asking.
    If men give up their rights at consent,why shouldnt a woman??


    The reason is.......


    Because then abortion would be gone and the femi nazi's know this.Thats why they jump all over any male who suggest something as silly as fathers with rights to their children.
    i think it stumps them.
    They cant give reasons outside of selfish ones for keeping abortion legal,and they sure as chit cant justify why men have no rights in the same sex act.

    Im not looking to control your uterus.Im not even trying to curb the sexual behaior of others.Im just trying to get men the same rights and "choices"as females get.
    A man in FLA ,who may be married to you and got you pregnant,has the same rights to the child as the guy in Va.None.

    Im sorry you dont get that or choose to see the wrong in that.
    You're overlooking one small fact - SHE'S THE ONE CARRYING IT.

    I've always thought the old saying about if the tables were turned and Men were the ones who got pregnant and had to carry it we wouldn't even be having this argument is basically true... it's real easy to sit back and tell her to go through that kind of crap - hell, you "got yours" already, right? But since ya'll both consented and both had fun, your rights should now be completely equal (and we'll just conveniently omit the fact that she's the one that has to deal with the pregnancy, and all that that entails while we're calling it "equal", right?). Seriously... do you not see a difference here that has to be accorded significant weight and dealt with appropriately in the equation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    since roe wade,how many times has the viability clock changed??
    2-3 times??
    If you would have said 20 years ago that a fetus is viable at 23 weeks,most would have laughed at you then.

    So when is it a life??

    You dont know,I dont know,doctors dont know,guess we just gotta go with the old standbye,From the start.
    Bull... the doctors do know, and you're right - the point of viability has changed, AND THE LAW HAS CHANGED WITH IT. But the fundamental precept remains the same - viability. And if they manage to get it down to 10 days, GREAT, the problem will have solved itself. Until then, it's her body and her choice up until the point of viability, whatever that may be at any particular point in the progress of medical science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    lol your a riot!!!!
    I do belive we could share a bottle of wine and argue all night!!!
    As for the roe wade RULING...
    Its not a law.
    Its also not in the constitution.
    Its not even an ammendment!!!
    You have a court ruling giving you the right to abort,not a constitional right,you dont even have an ammendment.

    Why isnt there an ammendment to the constitution giving the right to abortion???
    why why why???

    Wanna know???

    Cause its wrong,and most of the country thinks so.

    If it comes to a vote,pro choice and abortions are gone IMO.(kinda like same sex marriage etc)
    Look, don't even go down this path... stant and I have tried and tried to explain how Constitutional Law works, and at this point it's becoming painfully clear that you'd rather fall back on chanting the mantra you've been taught in church rather than take the time to sit down and learn something about what you're trying to argue over. You simply do not understand how cases are decided under the Constitution, and all I can tell you at this point is that you should just trust us on this one - there is an explicit Constitutional basis for the decision (*in fact, if you'll take the time to read the case their bases and reasons are very clearly stated), the methodology employed was a standard due process analysis, and in case you missed the other posts re ROE, the Court went to great lengths to establish the very widespread availability of abortion as well as womens' largely unfettered discretion re choosing to have same AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION, 'cause it knew damn good and well the first shot you guys would try top take was that this is not what the Founding Fathers intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    But since ya'll both consented and both had fun, your rights should now be completely equal (and we'll just conveniently omit the fact that she's the one that has to deal with the pregnancy, and all that that entails while we're calling it "equal", right?). Seriously... do you not see a difference here that has to be accorded significant weight and dealt with appropriately in the equation?
    Excellant Point GnBeret, but I think we can make a reasonable deduction from his previous replies that he does not understand.

    There is something I'd like to add to the table in reference to the fathers rights BigGrnMan has been discussing here;

    Im not looking to control your uterus.Im not even trying to curb the sexual behaior of others.Im just trying to get men the same rights and "choices"as females get.
    A man in FLA ,who may be married to you and got you pregnant,has the same rights to the child as the guy in Va.None.
    My biggest complaint about that is he is taking the position that his ProLife stance should supersede the actual parents position.

    In the hypothetic scenario of a couple who finds themselves pregnant. This couple uses birthcontrol and has 2 small children and budget that cannot handle another addition to the family and both parents feel it is in the families best interest to have an abortion. In this situation BigGrnMan is demanding that he and others like him should have the right to force said couple to give birth.

    There is nothing logical nor moral about that; in fact it is the polar opposite.

    I think the question of why does he want to control other peoples rights and choices is very good question indeed. One I think he should consider long and hard.

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    LL - excellent point! Conservatives in the modern era want government to get out of their lives and pockets re every other area imaginable, but when it comes to their personal beliefs, especially those based in religion, they do a 180 and want the government to go so far as camping out in people's bedrooms so as to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. To me, it should be the exact opposite, if anything - there's valid systemic reasons behind much governmental regulation of business/economic/environmental related matters, but there's not a whole hell of a lot of justification for the government trying to tell me who I can sleep with, what kind of prayers my kids will have to recite, or what I can or cannot do re medical procedures being performed on my body. They've got it all ass-backwards!
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    Sorry. It's cool to disagree, but this is the way it is. I agree, if i wanted the baby as a man and the mother did not, that may suck for me. But like a dog, (and i really hate to compare a fetus with a dog) they have no rights. We make choices for them. Fetus yes, that would hurt. But look at an unwanted pregnancy that a woman must endure. Even if she had the child, she could put it up for adoption, and the father has no say. Like i said before what if she does not know she is pregnant until say...4 months, can't afford the child, wants to go to school (college) has no support from no one but the man who got her pregnant, it's scarey! A child does not bring people together. WE need to have open minds.

    I am pro-choice. As long as a child is not born into a couiple that will beat it to death, now we know that is a child who listens, knows the surroundings and feels pain, because it cries. That to me is much much worse.

    Thinking clearly however, a 4 month abortion would suck too. But before there is brain activity i believe this fetus does not feel, the nerves are not done growing, nothing is.

    It's a tough call, i like adoption with both parties consenting! But we have a right to an abortion with out the fathers consent.

    My ramblings, that's all. Tough call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Conservatives in the modern era want government to get out of their lives and pockets re every other area imaginable, but when it comes to their personal beliefs, especially those based in religion, they do a 180 and want the government to go so far as camping out in people's bedrooms so as to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. ... They've got it all ass-backwards!
    Actually there is not that much overlap in terms of actual individuals between the "flavor" of conservatives who want a limited, fiscally conservative, non-intrusive government and the "flavor" associated with "family values", "the religious right" or the "moral majority" who want to use the power of government to impose (their) cultural norms and standards of behavior on the whole population. It is just that these two groups have banded together under the "big tent" of the Republican Party, in part because they tend to share a lot of views and priorities re foreign affairs and national secutiy. But they are largely two different groups of people. If we lived in a multi-party, parliamentary democracy (like Britain's or Israel's any many other countries'), they would almost certainly be two different political parties, with different names and leadership and so forth, and the current situation in the US would correspond to the two parties having formed an alliance to give them a majority vote in the parliament and thus the ability to form a "ruling coalition" government.

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    Ww - thanks for the explanation... obviously, given my rant, didn't realize the two groups weren't one and the same. Makes much more sense now.

    Sometimes wish we could find a way to forge a multi-party system out of what we've got for distinct interests and agendas while maintaining the basic Constitutional structure we have (guess all I really want is 4 or 5 parties competing, not coalition governments), but I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    ok this all sounds good,and i agree with alot of it.
    But what happens when your 12 year old middle school kid,or your 14 year old highschool freashman comes home with a pocketfull of rubbers that they were given in school??
    Sorry,but your missing the boat on this one.You dont tell your child not to do something,then give them the stuff to go against what you just said.

    We also tell the kids not to do drugs.I dont see free needles in schools??
    why is that??

    If im telling my 12 year old not to have sex,the last thing i need is for the PUBLIC school (and posibly some fucktard of a low paid teacher)to be telling them"well,we know what your folks say,but we know your going to do it anyways,so heres what ya need".
    isnt that the school undermining the parents???
    What other liberties will you let the school board get away with???

    Are free needles next???
    Kids are going to have sex if they want to regardless of free condoms, no condoms, or abstinence teachings. What's the average age for a girl to lose her virginity? I'm sure it's sooner than you think. If you hold off sex education until junior year of high school, you are going to be in trouble. Plenty of my friends had had sex by then, and by no means were my friends stupid or slutty. It's just the way things are. I'd rather be safe than sorry when in comes to STIs.

    If you don't trust the school to educate your children, then it is up to you!!! Teach your children what you want them to know. I'm sure they value your opinion more than their teachers, and if not, then you have bigger fish to fry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Teach your children what you want them to know. I'm sure they value your opinion more than their teachers, and if not, then you have bigger fish to fry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    No way.Heres why.

    To begin with,cases of rape are less then 1% of abortions done.
    This is what alot of PC people harp on alot though,its also what scares alot of people away from the debate.
    You want to chase most men away from the debate,toss the rape card at him,it works in most cases.
    1% isnt justifacation to the rest IMO.
    So you want to force women who have been violated on the most personal level to carry and bear a child conceived during that rape? It is as if you don't feel women should have any say whatsoever in what happens to their body.

    Why can't you just choose for yourself on matters such as this ? Why the need to make others behave in accordance with your particular belief structure ?

    If a man, such as yourself, doesn't believe in abortion then he should only have sex with women who are also against it.

    In other words, if you don't approve of abortion then don't have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove
    So you want to force women who have been violated on the most personal level to carry and bear a child conceived during that rape? It is as if you don't feel women should have any say whatsoever in what happens to their body.

    Why can't you just choose for yourself on matters such as this ? Why the need to make others behave in accordance with your particular belief structure ?

    If a man, such as yourself, doesn't believe in abortion then he should only have sex with women who are also against it.

    In other words, if you don't approve of abortion then don't have one.
    Aw, come on LL... you're going to ruin everything for us if you keep using reasoning like that! See, once we can hold you down and make you HAVE the babies, we're only a hop, skip and a jump from being able to hold you down and make you CONCEIVE the babies, right? Isn't that how this works? I mean Hell, I don't see all that much difference when you come right down to it - both are a complete and total subjugation of your will to my mine, and in each case I'm basically just imposing my beliefs re what I'm entitled to do to you on you by force... ah, yes, a true Man's World! Hmmmm.... gives me a strangely disconnected feeling of deja vu.... like we've been there before, and somehow reasoned our way out of such a hard-hearted, harsh and animalistic existence..... wait a minute... wait a minute... it's coming back to me now - OH YEA, NOW I REMEMBER... BACK WHEN WE WERE LIVING IN CAVES AND CARRYING CLUBS! Oh, well, guess we're just going full-circle, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Sometimes wish we could find a way to forge a multi-party system out of what we've got for distinct interests and agendas while maintaining the basic Constitutional structure we have (guess all I really want is 4 or 5 parties competing, not coalition governments), but I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.
    I agree...hard to get there from here. Anyway, there are pluses and minuses to having a 2 party system instead of a multi-party one from what I have observed in countries with the latter, sort of a trade-off. We could do worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove
    My biggest complaint about that is he is taking the position that his ProLife stance should supersede the actual parents position.
    Im not pro life.Way to many people deserve to die imo for me to ever be pro life.
    You say the "parents position",whats that???
    The parents position is what the woman wants,at any givin time, with the option to change her "position' at will.
    When you say parents position,your really saying the womans view,not the mans.
    That is the problem,when you say parent,what you really mean is woman.
    Im sorry fathers in this country are not considered "parents",with the same rights to their children,born and unborn, as a woman.
    Im also sorry you dont seem to get my point.
    In the hypothetic scenario of a couple who finds themselves pregnant. This couple uses birthcontrol and has 2 small children and budget that cannot handle another addition to the family and both parents feel it is in the families best interest to have an abortion. In this situation BigGrnMan is demanding that he and others like him should have the right to force said couple to give birth.
    For kripes sake,thats all propaganda bullshit that you eat up with a spoon.
    the rate at which BC fails is in the LOW 1-2%.TRUE????
    rape is 1%
    medical need is 5%

    PCers use 5% of abortions done just to keep the rest legal.

    I think the question of why does he want to control other peoples rights and choices is very good question indeed. One I think he should consider long and hard.
    Im not trying to control other peoples rights.Im just trying to get rights for men that are absent where there should be some.
    If men are given these rights,abortion will be gone.
    Two birds with one stone kinda thing.

    This is exactly what they said when females wanted rights,the same thing when blacks wanted rights,and the same thing when Gays wanted rights.

    everyone deserves "rights"except the fathers of our countries children??

    How crazy is that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    Sorry. It's cool to disagree,
    Are you sure we disagree? Remember,I have 5 daughters.
    but this is the way it is. I agree, if i wanted the baby as a man and the mother did not, that may suck for me.
    Might suck??? Having your kid killed might suck???

    Step into THAT mans shoes for just a sec,how would you react to the situation you just mentioned??

    Then reverse it,what if he didnt want it and she did,the man would be forced to pay support for that child for 18 years.

    Can you at least see the double edged knife that the men are under??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamela
    It's a tough call, i like adoption with both parties consenting! But we have a right to an abortion with out the fathers consent.
    Pamela
    Why would you agree to both parents consent to adoption but only the womans consent for an abortion???

    The same reasons you use for adoption is the same reasoning im using for both??
    Why is that wrong??

    I think what everyone is saying is that the man isnt the parent till the baby is born??
    Correct???

    If the father can be determined with amnio,and a man can be charged with two murders for killing a pregnant woman,how can he not be the father from conception??

    If he is the father from conception,and it can be proven he is the father before birth,doesnt he deserve the same rights as any parent to their children???

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Kids are going to have sex if they want to regardless of free condoms, no condoms, or abstinence teachings. What's the average age for a girl to lose her virginity? I'm sure it's sooner than you think. If you hold off sex education until junior year of high school, you are going to be in trouble. Plenty of my friends had had sex by then, and by no means were my friends stupid or slutty. It's just the way things are. I'd rather be safe than sorry when in comes to STIs.
    Safe then sorry??
    Sounds like giving up the fight imo.
    Im sorry,nothing you can say will get me to agree that 12-15 year old females should be having sex.Most dont in my opinion,those that do are either stupid or slutty.
    how else could or would you describe them???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove
    So you want to force women who have been violated on the most personal level to carry and bear a child conceived during that rape? It is as if you don't feel women should have any say whatsoever in what happens to their body.

    Why can't you just choose for yourself on matters such as this ? Why the need to make others behave in accordance with your particular belief structure ?

    If a man, such as yourself, doesn't believe in abortion then he should only have sex with women who are also against it.

    In other words, if you don't approve of abortion then don't have one.
    Im sorry you dont see it.
    im also sorry that the rape card was tossed into this topic as well,but that always happens.
    Its 1% of the abortions done.
    address the rest of the abortions done as I am trying to do.
    You have no answers for that,so many will continue to fall back on the rape card in an attempt to keep abortion on demand.Been like this since roe wade.
    The shock value has worn away.

    Im not trying to tell females what to do with their bodies,im trying to get rights for men to their children,of which they have very few,if any.

    I would think in a country full of single mothers,they would be thankful for men who are willing to stand up and not only take their rights,but also their responsibilities to their children.
    If giving men the same rights and "choices"as the female drastically dropped the rate of single mothers and fatherless homes in the country,would that be a good thing and worth giving men the rights they deserve??

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