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    ok so here is another darn tipping question.

    i made a lot a couple of nights ago.. i did 3 champagne's in a row at 400/half hr a piece ( i only get about 300 each from each of them)

    So, then after i did the rooms, my mean manager walks up and tells me "you need to tip the champagne host well because SHES THE ONLY REASON he got the last vip!!!" I took her crap, but obviously it wasn't true and the guy said he wanted to continue before he went outside to get his credit card..(before he even talked to the champagne host)

    So i gave her about 80 bucks on top of the 100 bucks he had already tipped her. Which she said he barely tipped her 45 dollors, which was NOT TRUE because i was watching..

    But anyway, do you think i should have tipped more, should i have said something to the manager about the comment she made?

    I paid about 300+ dollors in tipouts that night.. Am i paying way too much?
    Also, at this club i think you have the option of tipping the dj 20 dollors plus, as long as its over 20 bucks for whatever amount of money you make. If i made more then 1k that night, how much should i expect to tip the dj since they don't have the 10 percent rule?

    ok... i know this was long, but any imput would be greatly appreciated as always

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    Default Re: another darn tipping question

    What's appropriate?

    * Tell the manager your customer tipped $100, not $45, so no further tip is needed.

    * Tell the manager that you sold the VIP before the customer ever talked to the hostess.

    * If the hostess does find you a VIP customer, she deserves a finder's fee: 10% of the $300 you earned.

    * Does the DJ do you favors and play what you request? If so, give him more than $20, but you're the only one who knows what he's worth to you.

    You have to be assertive if you want people to respect you. The staff in pricier clubs have incredible chutzpah.

    My 2 cents for free.

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    Tip people when they help you make money. If you sold the 3rd CR, you owe the host nothing above what she got already.
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    Default Re: another darn tipping question

    in this business, we are all hustling, and that's what she was doing to you. The problem is that if she can help you make money in the future, she may not be so inclined to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    in this business, we are all hustling, and that's what she was doing to you. The problem is that if she can help you make money in the future, she may not be so inclined to do so.
    Yes, but tampa does pretty well on her own. If the hostess thinks she can lie and cheat in the future, she will be inclined to do so. I'd have a "here's the deal" talk with the hostess before this happens again.

    It gets sooo complicated in pricey clubs.

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    wow...those are some large tip-outs. I think she was only deserving of about 120-150. Personally, when I go up to NYC to work where they have champagne rooms, I always tip the minimum. Why? Because I've noticed that being an out of town/new girl, no matter how much I tip them, they never drum up any more business for me.
    Now, if the host actually DID talk someone into spending money on me, I'd probably tip her well above the going rate. But if said host didn't do anything really special for me...I would stand up for myself if asked to tip more. If it were me, I would have told the manager about the tip that you saw the customer give to her, and the truth about who talked who into getting the room for some extra time. I would have also spoken to the host about this incident, in a nice but firm way.
    In my experience, I've noticed that a lot of hosts are scammers, liars, and cheats. They will try to talk customers into getting other girls, and scrounge for any extra tip they think they can get out of you or the customer. I'm thinking that a lot of times it takes more than just giving them a really good tip to get them to give you preferential treatment. The ones in NYC were often the recipients of gifts, and lots of ass kissing from their "favorites". Bleh. I'd rather just hustle up my own money, thanks.
    As for the DJ, I tip them according to what I've asked them to do, and how well they've done it, not according to what I've made.

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    Default Re: another darn tipping question

    TIP actually an acronym = To improve performance. If she was already tipped that much for a service she already gave you, it sounds as if you were coerced into giving her more. Anyways, seems like a raw deal considering you ladies generally do more of the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    in this business, we are all hustling, and that's what she was doing to you. The problem is that if she can help you make money in the future, she may not be so inclined to do so.
    Well, what man would pay 400 dollors extra on the 800 dollors he had already paid because she (not the women naked in front of him) talked him into it.

    The whole thing is just ludacris to me. He told me he was buying me out for the night before she even talked to him. And then she lies about the tip??? It seems like she's hustling everyone!!
    Last edited by tampafldancer; 11-11-2004 at 03:05 PM.

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    Welcome to the world of champagne room hosts! It's not often all that pleasant. Word to the wise....another girl on this board told me to start getting half of the money for the first hour in the rooms upfront, before approaching the host for the room. This way the host won't be able to pull a switcheroo on you and send they guy you sold on the room over to one of her "favorites". I've started doing this, with good results. Often hosts will try to start giving you a hard time once they find out they can't railroad you, and this prevents them from being able to do so.

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    Ummm.... pardon this question, but who did the dances?
    I understand that we need to tipout those who work with us and are not dancers, BUT I think we deal with a lot more than they do.... we do the talking, the dancing and take all the crap from any of the customers including name calling, wandering and trying to keep our self-respect...
    I try to tip those who help me make money, but shouldn't it be my choice how much I tip? It is a TIP not a mandatory amount or it would be called a FEE.
    That's how I feel about it and in the past I've been very irritated when I have been told I don't tip enough by a person that either didn't help me in the couch dance room with an unruly customer, sexually touched MY body, or refused to help me out with songs. If a person deserves a good tip and I can afford to give it, I def. will, BUT I don't want to forced to pay out money to someone that didn't do their job, or really does deserve that kind of tip.
    Gosh, I hope none of that comes out as harsh, but I just get tired of being told to tip more, especially after a crappy night of avoiding hands, tongues and sexual inuendos...
    Please don't lick me, it tickles..



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    Default Re: another darn tipping question

    I think you need a different club. thats b.s.
    Carpe Diem!

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    yea.. but its the best money in tampa, sigh

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    Brittany we dont have champagne hosts in florida comparable to what they have in new york or chicago. We dont really have any types of rooms that even compare to clubs of the chicago or new yourk nature. They are just people who usually stand outside the room and collect fees for entering. In no way do they wait on you or do anything special. Most of them dont even greet you when you walk back. Florida is the place were the people are the greediest and do the least out of anywere I have ever seen. I agree tampa. You are the one he was paying to see and you already did how amy hours with him? She is just being greedy. The women hosts are the worst because they are usually not pretty enough to dance thieselves so they try to amke what dancers make anyway they can.Dont worry about it. Go in and so your thing and tip what you feel and stick up for yourself.

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    hey michele you are back!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer
    yea.. but its the best money in tampa, sigh
    So share with us. Where is this club???/

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    lol, pm me for info

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    I have never worked at a club that charged by the hour for the vip or champaign room or whatever it is called. Can anyone explain it too me PLEASE. Oh and the hostess, I dont understand why she gets such a huge cut out of your money anyway.
    At my club, the waitress sells you a drink to get in the vip. There is a mandatory tip for the drink, it is like three dollars for every 20 you make off the drinks. All the dance money is yours, (20 each). We NEVER give the waitress houndreds of dollars for selling us drinks even though much of the time they did all the selling, we just sat there and looked pretty and said "im thirsty". Our waitresses still make as much as we do and unless they have a bad night, they dont bitch about it.
    Last edited by Lady; 11-15-2004 at 02:32 AM. Reason: fix typos

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    Tampa ...

    Everyone here has good advice for you, it seems!

    Do keep in mind that you don't want to 'rock the boat' too much if it really is the best $$ around. Enemies are easily made ... and they can severely hurt your money.

    I'm not saying that you should continue letting your host(s), or anyone else, take advantage of you ... but try and keep things balanced. If you make enough enemies ... the problems that arise might end up leading you to another club where you wish you had the opportunity to 'get taken advantage of' in money related issues. Weigh your circumstances carefully ... see it as a balancing act. Only you can decide how much is too much in terms of tips and being scammed.

    Depending on the situation you are in ... I would probably have spoken up and had my say.

    Lady ...

    Drink clubs have alot in common ... although they are much more rare. Where you sit in the vip room until your drink is finished ... these clubs usually have a set amount of time instead. Usually in thirty minute increments but sometimes an hour ... sometimes more. Clubs can differ across the country (and sometimes even across a city) so much that it is hard to give specifics without visiting a club and seeing for yourself. As for the club that Tampa works at ... someone else would have to give you details.

    Narcissus

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    Yeah. I sent you a pm. I had to change the name alittle and use a different e mail. Still cant get on like before. I suppose its because the e mail is different than the computer I am currently using because that one is under the old system. I dont know.

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    Michele...you should contact Pryce about your old user name. I am sure that he would be able to take care of it.

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    When I kept trying to get back on it said my password would be e mailed to me when I visited the page and it never was. Yeah I will try to e mail pryce. At least now I can get on and post.

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    Yeah...if you had used an old email address...after the move, you cannot change it. So, emailing Pryce, he should be able to handle it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcissus
    Tampa ...

    Everyone here has good advice for you, it seems!

    Do keep in mind that you don't want to 'rock the boat' too much if it really is the best $$ around. Enemies are easily made ... and they can severely hurt your money.

    I'm not saying that you should continue letting your host(s), or anyone else, take advantage of you ... but try and keep things balanced. If you make enough enemies ... the problems that arise might end up leading you to another club where you wish you had the opportunity to 'get taken advantage of' in money related issues. Weigh your circumstances carefully ... see it as a balancing act. Only you can decide how much is too much in terms of tips and being scammed.

    Depending on the situation you are in ... I would probably have spoken up and had my say.

    Lady ...

    Drink clubs have alot in common ... although they are much more rare. Where you sit in the vip room until your drink is finished ... these clubs usually have a set amount of time instead. Usually in thirty minute increments but sometimes an hour ... sometimes more. Clubs can differ across the country (and sometimes even across a city) so much that it is hard to give specifics without visiting a club and seeing for yourself. As for the club that Tampa works at ... someone else would have to give you details.

    Narcissus
    good advice marcissus I wanted to stand up for myself sooo bad But i didn't want to create any negativity towards me.

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    Default Re: another darn tipping question

    This is one of those unfortunate situations where people take kindness for weakness. Do not let this precedent stand. Have a quick word with your manager to let her know the host overstated her influence with this guy. The two of them are probably buddies and they'll be shaking you down forever if you don't make it uncomfortable to pick on you. Just speak firmly then move on.

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    yea. The host/bartender and the manager are really close. Its not worth it.

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