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    I normally work dayshift and leave by 7pm, but tonight I stayed until 9 and since it was a different crowd I kind of had to try a new approach, and it worked really well!

    First, I played the "shy girl" role... I smiled a whole lot and acted like I wasn't used to a big crowd. I told each guy I was really shy and not too sure how to act around so many guys, but that I felt unusually comfortable around him for some reason. I got so many dances from this.

    Then I kind of did a "rushed dance" approach... I kind of bounced up to the guys and introduced myself, laughing a lot with a perky, cheerleader-type attitude, and I asked them for dances with a very positive tone. It's kind of hard to explain, but I said "would you like a lap dance" in a way that said "come on! let's go! it's time for a lap dance! i know you're interested! hurry hurry hurry before i get taken away!!!" rather than "would you like a dance"

    I don't know if it will be any help to anyone, but I did so well tonight and I've never tried these things before. I've received so many great tips from this site and I figured I'd just try to give back a little.

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    sometimes the "wannadance" thing works, but the guy has to be in the mood to buy before you got there

    I do it when I'm feeling lazy or the room is packed.

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    Some of us do like the "Hi, I'm shy because I've new here." The thought of "breaking someone in," is hot. The "wanna dance" routine may work sometimes, but it a total turn-off for lots of guys.

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    "Are you ready for a dance" and "Want a dance now" and similar phrases are what most girls at my club use on Friday and Staurday evenings when it's super-packed (11PM-2AM it's standing room only for customers, and about 75 girls).

    Most of the girls that benefit from this are pretty good looking, but not the top in the club (top girls have 'tables' and 'customers' these nights), and if it is a top girl in the club it's because she's no longer with a table or customer. These girls end up walking with about $400 by the end of the night - the majority from this method where they get 1-2 dances per customer, and occasionally more.

    On the other hand, I've found that taking a few moments with each customer gets me dances as well, and I will say something like "Hi, would you like company" (standard stripper line) and the guys are usually excited "WOW - the last 20 girls just asked me if I wanted a dance, sure I'll take some company!"

    This technique is good, but it is hit or miss. Sometimes I'll have wasted 2-3 songs on one of these guys and they don't want a dance.

    Some of these nights I leave with $180, some I leave with $340 - still less than the "wannadancenowbaby?" girls.

    Any ideas?

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    I always just ask for dances up front. I don't really like having to rely on regulars and play the "regular customer" game that so many dancers do. I have a few regulars in spite of this though, but they aren't your normal strip club customer type of guy.
    I suppose I could try to be "nicer" as I walk around the room and ask for company or something....but I'd really rather not because I find it stressful to sit if it's busy or I'm in the mood to dance around the room instead of in one spot. I also find that I make more money when I hustle harder, so I guess I have no incentive to sit.
    I think the key to being a successful hustler really doesn't have that much to do with looks, but with persistence, thick skin, and attitude. You can't just walk up to someone and ask them for a dance like you'd ask them for the time of day. A cheerleader attitude, and a big smile are essential.

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    the ONLY time i ever ask directly is after like 1:00 when its packed and everybodys drunk. the other times i ALWAYS waste a song or two talking, feeling out their attitude, before asking. lots of girls just ask directly and ive seen that it seldom works in their favor. guys want to talk a little first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildlands1
    the ONLY time i ever ask directly is after like 1:00 when its packed and everybodys drunk. the other times i ALWAYS waste a song or two talking, feeling out their attitude, before asking. lots of girls just ask directly and ive seen that it seldom works in their favor. guys want to talk a little first.
    That all depends on the market that you're in. If you're at a small club, or a slow club that's not often fully packed, it might not work to be a hustler. But I've found that hustling works very well for me and others (who know how to do it correctly) in the topless clubs in Austin, Dallas, NYC, Chicago, Vegas, etc.

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    i agree with wildlands....i usually will sit with a customer for a bit, then make all that money up when i do get my dances. the tricks i use are to never talk about money/getting dances....i do however, talk to him about how hard "amy" is working on stage and maybe we should give a tip to let her know that she is doing a good job. if the guys lets me decide how much to give her (by opening his wallet for me to make a choice), then i can pretty much rely on him working out with my dances.

    also, i find that if i sit and make small talk, then when i do my couch dances for him....my ise of eye contact seems less fake.

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    The "rushed dance" approach is an excellent idea, I'd say. It's short and sweet, and portrays you as a confident, entertaning (maybe even "special... definitely worthy of a dance") pro, and capitalizes instantly on the flash of excitement a guy feels when a hot girl comes by for a visit. You go!

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    Even the clubs that are super busy has noticable and consistent large gaps in the incomes of the dancers just as the small clubs do. In some cases the quick approach will work when guys realize it's take action now and get a dance or wait until the next dancer comes by in 10 minutes. Other times though, and most of the time in fact, it is the ability to do two thins that will ultimately make a sale. Best-selling author Robert Allen said it best. The two most important skills needed to make money are the ability to gain rapport with a customer and the ability to close a sale. The combination of the two is what sets the top income earners in a club apart from those that wonder where all the money is that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    Even the clubs that are super busy has noticable and consistent large gaps in the incomes of the dancers just as the small clubs do. In some cases the quick approach will work when guys realize it's take action now and get a dance or wait until the next dancer comes by in 10 minutes. Other times though, and most of the time in fact, it is the ability to do two thins that will ultimately make a sale. Best-selling author Robert Allen said it best. The two most important skills needed to make money are the ability to gain rapport with a customer and the ability to close a sale. The combination of the two is what sets the top income earners in a club apart from those that wonder where all the money is that night.
    But this is exactly what good hustlers do. You don't have to sit with someone for five or ten minutes to gain good rapport. This can be achieved by one or two well placed comments before the dance is asked for.
    Just because someone chooses to ask for a dance within the first minute of meeting someone, does not mean that they are cutting themselves out of money, or exhibiting poor salesmanship. On the contrary, it's these dancers who leave the club with the steadiest and more often than not, the most money.
    Now that's not to say that this can be done in all clubs. It does take a club that has a lot of traffic. I don't think hustling could be done in say, a small or very slow club that has very few girls, and/or very few customers. Here, you would have to maximize your earnings potential by milking as many dances as possible out of each customer you were able to sit down with, and trying to set up regulars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    But this is exactly what good hustlers do. You don't have to sit with someone for five or ten minutes to gain good rapport.
    Please don't get me wrong. I never said that they did have to sit with a customer for 10 minutes although there are times where that's warranted. In fact, in our classes we teach that the busier the club, the faster the pace of communication needs to be. If there is 200 customers in the club it is obviously a much different situation than if there is 20 customers in the club. The rapport process and the close has to happen faster. No doubt about it. Still though, it's a matter of being effective at both those skills, not just walking up to a customer and being a "wanna dance" person.

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    Well, I've never really been all that much of an advocate of the "Wanna dance" approach as it's said by most girls that try to hustle.
    So let me just spell it out for everyone as I see it after over ten years in the biz, and having danced in many major cities around the country.
    A good hustler always asks for the dance with a smile, and asks them something or introduces herself before hand.
    A good hustler always has a cheerleader attitude, and always seems happy to be at work.
    A good hustler always is persistent, and thick skinned, she doesn't let a no get her down and she never gives up.
    A good hustler never sits with someone for too long, unless they are paying her to do so.
    A good hustler never talks about her personal life, bills, stress, other dancers, etc. She also never talks about other dancer's personal lives either.
    And most importantly, a good hustler will tell her fellow employees how to be a good hustler, because she knows that the more girls that know how to work WELL that there are in a club, the easier it will be for everyone to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    Well, I've never really been all that much of an advocate of the "Wanna dance" approach as it's said by most girls that try to hustle.
    So let me just spell it out for everyone as I see it after over ten years in the biz, and having danced in many major cities around the country.
    A good hustler always asks for the dance with a smile, and asks them something or introduces herself before hand.
    A good hustler always has a cheerleader attitude, and always seems happy to be at work.
    A good hustler always is persistent, and thick skinned, she doesn't let a no get her down and she never gives up.
    A good hustler never sits with someone for too long, unless they are paying her to do so.
    A good hustler never talks about her personal life, bills, stress, other dancers, etc. She also never talks about other dancer's personal lives either.
    And most importantly, a good hustler will tell her fellow employees how to be a good hustler, because she knows that the more girls that know how to work WELL that there are in a club, the easier it will be for everyone to make money.
    You nailed it Brittany. It's amazing though how few dancers really don't even understand these basics. Your last point is especially good. It's one of the things that I keep working to reinforce to club managers that we talk to. That when everyone starts doing better, everyone starts doing better across the board. It's just the way it works. I actually got into an argument with a GM of a big club here the other night about this. He couldn't seem to grasp the idea that when everyone starts making more money how it could possibly be helpful for the club. Fifteen minutes of me explaining later, he finally started to come around. sigh. The first thing you said is also important too...that the "wanna dance" approach is performed by dancers who try to hustle. That's the key word there..."try".

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    I agree with what most of you have said about the "wanna dance" approach, except when you're obviously the girl that's "on fire" and in demand at that time. If it's slow and you've been sitting down for the past hour not getting any dances, then of course you look like an idiot for asking right away because you obviously have the time to chat a while. But if you've been going hard doing dance after dance for the past hour, I think it's safe to approach with a bright, cheery smile, introduce yourself, and not say "wanna dance" exactly, but still pop the question immediately. I don't know. It worked really well for me the other night.

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    Even when it's slow, you can still hustle. Maybe not as fast, but you can. Also, customers should NEVER see you sitting down doing nothing. I always see girls taking "breaks" at the bar, or at an empty table in the club. This is SO BAD for business it makes me want to scream when I see it. It's bad for your business when you do this, and your co-workers. It sends a message to the customers that this isn't a "happening" place, the entertainers are bored, and most importantly, it sends a message to the customers that you aren't "wanted" or "in demand" when you are sitting down doing nothing where they can see. Why would any guy want a dance from someone who's obviously bored, unwanted, and turned down by every guy in the room?
    THIS is the message that girls send when they sit out on the floor where customers can see them. GO TO THE DRESSING ROOM if you feel the need to take a break.
    I learned this on my own not too long after I started to hustle.

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    If it's very slow, sitting with a customer who isn't paying is still better than sitting in the dressing room or (god forbid) by yourself at the bar or empty table. At least you're out where people can see you, and if you keep smiling and laughing, looking like you're having a good time, you're basically advertising yourself to the rest of the room. You can always hope that guys' competetive instincts will kick in if they see you having fun with someone else.

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    It sounds like Angel did the wannadance thing the right way, though. It was busy, so she could work that way. And she was positive and friendly -- sounds like she did a good job building rapport fast. So if you were going to wannadance, that would be the way. Good job, Angel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grace
    If it's very slow, sitting with a customer who isn't paying is still better than sitting in the dressing room or (god forbid) by yourself at the bar or empty table. At least you're out where people can see you, and if you keep smiling and laughing, looking like you're having a good time, you're basically advertising yourself to the rest of the room. You can always hope that guys' competetive instincts will kick in if they see you having fun with someone else.
    I don't think it's ever a good idea to sit with someone for free. It devalues us when girls do this. If someone is not going to get a dance, or pay you for
    your time, then you should NOT sit with him. Period. Why dancers do this, I just don't know. If other customers see you sitting and sitting and sitting and not making any money, they're going to expect you to come over and sit and sit and sit and sit with them too. Where's the hustle there?
    I'm just saying that it's better to take a break of a few songs in the back if you've struck out than to sit out on the floor by yourself, or with a customer that's not buying. Because chances are, the customer that's not buying from you might be buying from someone else if you weren't camped out at his table making no money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    Because chances are, the customer that's not buying from you might be buying from someone else if you weren't camped out at his table making no money.
    Good point, Brittany. I should clarify: If I ask somebody for a dance and they say no, I'll leave. No point in wasting his time and mine. But if, on a slow day, a customer wants to buy me a drink and talk, or chat after getting a dance, or "wait for a good song" before getting one, I'm more likely to indulge that, since there really isn't anything better to do with my time. They'll usually buy at least a dance or two, and a drink (we get a comission) so it's better than the nothing I'd make NOT sitting with them. I figure it's better to be out on the floor than back where no one can see me. (I also hate hanging out in the dressing room, because this is where all the drama starts. I really prefer to avoid it.)

    But what works at my club might not work at another. I work mostly day shifts, and it can be CRAZY slow. Most of the customers are regular attendees; they know that you have nothing else to do, and they've come to expect more sit-and-chat time before they buy dances. If other girls want to sit in the back, that's fine with me -- more for the rest of us.

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    As a customer, I think Brittany and Grace are both right on target.

    I've never bought a dance from a dancer sitting at an empty and just sulking, chatting and whining about "no business/monry" the night away with another dancer.


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    Day shifts, Grace aren't usually the same type of hustle that I was talking about. Usually, the same thing applies to a day shift that applies to a night shift in a slow/small club. As said in a previous post you have to milk as many dances as you can out of each customer that lets you sit down with them and try to build up a good "stable" of regulars, who come in and give you a set amount every time you see them.
    A small/slow club or most clubs dayshifts just really aren't the place that hustling usually works.

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    Even when it's slow I'll still hustle, just at a slower pace. I'll take a break in the dressing room or chat with a bouncer for a couple minutes if I've made a round and don't have a customer at the moment. But no matter how slow I will NOT sit for long without getting paid. It encourages guys to be cheap and expect free time. I work hard to get my momentum going, because once you've gotten started it tends to keep moving, much like the momentum we were taught about in junior high physical science. Guys always want the popular girl and if you make yourself look popular, you will BE popular. Keeping moving makes you look popular. If you sit around looking bored and unpopular, you will BE bored and unpopular, and your pocketbook will reflect that in its thin-ness.

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    I can't re-itterate enough how the moving around the club can help. This doesn't mean that you hop from one customer to the next to the next to the next..... this can sometimes reflect badly on you as each customer will see that you are just "playing the numbers game" (as such).

    Instead (this is for slow nights) move around the club if you can... go to the bar.. have a drink... then walk around the club... watching the body language of various customers until you find a "hit". Even if this walking around involves you disappearing for a brief moment to the ladies... or the dressing room... just keep moving.

    As you become invisible as soon as you stop moving. Be invisible is only good for when you really do need a break or just want to take a time-out to re-group.


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    Ok, try this:

    If you have worked the entire club and no one is biting, get a water/soda from the bar, and STAND at a vantage point in the club. For me, its the corner of one of the bars. I can see most of the room there, and can check out if I've missed anyone or if the mood has improved. Don't sit, just drink your beverage. It shouldn't take more than 3-5 minutes. Look at everyone, make eye contact, stick your tongue out, flirt. Put your drink down and go back to the last table that "maybe latered" you.

    It will look like you are taking a break because YOU want to. Stand confidently, not defeated. Trust me, the guys will notice this, and they like it because you are not sulking or wasting time.

    Every time I have done this and gone back to a table to begin again, they guy has told me how impressed they were that I didn't recoil or run away, and they will buy immediate dances. Once the momentum gets going.........hell yeah, its game-on!

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