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    There is a school of thought, which originates with Gibbon, that Christianity was actually the most important reason (among many) the Empire fell.
    While I concur with the concept that massive cultural change came with the institutionalization of Christianity in the Roman Empire, I have to say that the lack of national identity and more importantly, the elimination of Roman Legions (filled with Romans) was a stronger influence on Rome's decline. Much more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    and more importantly, the elimination of Roman Legions (filled with Romans) was a stronger influence on Rome's decline. Much more so.
    The Legions were filled with men from outside of Rome long before the Empire fell. The citizen/farmer/soldiers of the Roman Republic didn't last as a political entity much past the foundation of Empire.

    There is still vociferous debate concerning the reasons for the fall of the Empire. There have been over a hundred various theories put forth by scholars in the last 200 years. One of the more interesting theories put forth blames a massive trade deficit with the East. The truth of the matter is that there was no one overriding reason, but a combination of various military, economic, and social factors. The rise of Christianity played a major role, one not entirely unrelated to the decline in martial vigor.

    The Legions became less effective as a result of lowered standards of discipline, but this happened long after the proportion of "Romans" from Rome proper had dwindled to the infinitesimal.
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    No...no Arnold. Absofuckinglutely not.

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    If Ah-nuld was born in the US, I could maybe vote for him...but here are my problems with this-

    1-I don't like amending the Constitution.
    2-I don't think foreign born people should be able to lead our country
    3-Cult-of-Personality things like this scare me

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    Not another damned ACTOR !!!!

    Constitution prohibits non-=native born people. It would take 30-50 years to change that and then it could become dangerous.

    Forget it !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    Not another damned ACTOR !!!!

    Constitution prohibits non-=native born people. It would take 30-50 years to change that and then it could become dangerous.

    Forget it !!!!

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    Well the thing about Arnold is his persona radiates strength.The guy certainly had an incredible physique.Sadly the general population sees only that.A world leader should have "Power Of The Mind".Not too imply the guy is a total moron,I just don't feel he is in politics for the right reasons.Just a big ego trip for him.

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    I would have to say there is no way in hell I would ratify our constitution to allow Arnold to run for the oval office...I would much rather see Gov. Jesse Ventura run for the office

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    The Republican/Christian Coalition party is shrewd.

    I am shamefully surprised that more people don't see through them. Schwarzenegger was a viable ploy to get control of the largest state in the nation away from the Democrats. A staunch Republican candidate wouldn't accomplish that. Just like Gonzales replacing Ashcroft. That was to sell the hispanics on Bush being for them to garner more registered Republican hispanics.

    The CA energy crisis was rigged by Bush administration top donators in order to fatten the pockets of all involved and to erode the confidence of the CA citizens of their democratic leader. Their administration was FULLY aware and part of the demise of CA's energy supply.

    Schwarzenneger's stance on abortion and stem cell research is allowed to go far enough to gain him support from a largely open minded state but not far enough to do damage to the agenda of the Christian Coalition. His work is done at state level even if he could run for the presidency.

    I hope the naive Americans who closed their eyes to the corporate greed and covered up crimes that are part of the Bush Administration wake up soon and keep the Republicans out of the oval office for years to come!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek
    ...the only time anyone will bother to consider it is when one political party has a possible candidate. Then the other party will go all out to prevent it with sanctimonious protestations. When there are no likely candidates, no one cares....
    One of the reasons this issue has come up is that both parties have potential non native candidates. The potential dem candidate being the current governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, who was born in BC, Canada. Both Arnold and Jenny are considered highly electible candidates by their repective parties and both are firmly in the moderate wings of their party. Plus, she's ... :

    http://www.michigan.gov/gov/0,1607,7...7920--,00.html

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    Allowing non-native born U.S. Citizens to become President is an extremely dangerous idea. That clause was put in the Constitution as a safeguard, to prevent our country's adgenda from being controlled by a foriegn power.

    Judging by some of the behavior I've seen here by a few non-native born citizens here already; I can easily see the danger lifting that clause from the Constitution poses. The examples I've seen include the bribary and corrputive behavior native in thier home countries carried over here. Lifting that clause would make it too dangerous a temptation for a 3 rd world country to try and seize control of the US leadership. Yes, Arnold may make a good President, but the cost of lifting that clause in the Constitution to allow him to do so is much to dangerous to ourselves and to the future generations citizens of this country. The idea to let non-native born citizens become President of the USA maybe paved with good intentions, but so is the road to disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgrad
    Allowing non-native born U.S. Citizens to become President is an extremely dangerous idea. That clause was put in the Constitution as a safeguard, to prevent our country's adgenda from being controlled by a foriegn power.
    Yes. 300 years ago. The world is a smaller place now. Still, I think this amendment is a big waste of time. Hell, I was naturalized and no way in hell would I vote for a born Russian for pres, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    The Republican/Christian Coalition party is shrewd.

    I am shamefully surprised that more people don't see through them. Schwarzenegger was a viable ploy to get control of the largest state in the nation away from the Democrats.
    Yeah !!!! It so nice to see people out there in the world who can see things for what they are and are not blinded by shock and awe

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    Gov. Schwarzegger saw a window of opportunity in a time of reelection when he needed a plurality, not a majority, to win in the Davis recall debacle.

    Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are smart enough to put together a trash-the-economy-and-then-recall-the-governor-and-get-a-moderate-elected conspiracy. To say that the Republicans trashed the power system run by Democrats to get a Republican elected - well, politeness precludes "tinfoil" terms, but it's a stretch, let's just say that.

    There were other Republicans and Democrats vying for the seat after the Davis recall - over a hundred of them, as I recall. Schwarzenegger had great name recognition, is a self-made, smart, and likable candidate who got less than 50% of the vote. The recalled Gov. Davis had over 70% disapproval by some polls, again, as I recall. The second-place vote-getter was a Democrat who now is lieutenant governor.

    Doesn't sound like much of a conspiracy. Sounds like California weirdness. I do understand the allure to say "conspiracy" when results don't go our way.

    And speaking of which, a Constitutional amendment by two-thirds of the House, two-thirds of the Senate, and three-fourths of the states to allow a foreign-born president still ain't gonna happen. "President Schwarzenegger" is a virtual impossibility.

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    I really don't see any plausible way for the man to become President, but it may be worth keeping in mind that being underestimated has been the consistent story of Arnold's life. He apparently was not thought to have any special potential in his early days as a body builder, but of course he went on not just to be a champion but to be the "sport's" all time superstar, its Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan equivalent in effect. Then, when he first indicated an interest in an acting career, the pundits in the entertainment industry thought that he was a total joke; much bigger and apparently more suitable sports stars had failed to convert their name recognition into a successful career on the screen. Then, when he had some success with roles as Conan the Barbarian and the Terminator, the general opinion was that he could only work in such very special roles where his physique was an essential part of the character. A bit later, they had to admit that he could do general action hero parts. The idea that he could do comedy was also thought implausible for a while, but Twins changed that. Etc. Again, a lot of people laughed when the idea of candidate Schwarzenegger first started being discussed, but now he is govenor of the biggest state in the Union. And did I forget to mention his successful "social climbing" when he marryied into the Kennedy clan? Or that he has made a ton of money on investments...parlaying his movie star earnings into levels of wealth rare even for quite successful actors?

    I just can't imagine a plausible route by which he could become President, but if that is his next goal in life, I'd feel a bit nervous betting against him given his track record.

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    Classic Arnold moment. Over the summer I watched bonehead,umm Arnold discuss his stance on after school programs for the kids.Which I certainly believe in.. Mr.Genius gave the analogy that "Not all children have a dog too come home too". I guess it's his way of saying if your kid has a dog at home when they arrive they won't get into trouble? What is this fucking idiot talking about?I grew up with a dog in the house and being a kid if I'm gonna get into trouble I'm gonna get into trouble.Wouldn't it have more of an impact and accuracy too say "Not all children have a parent too come home to thereore we need after school programs?" Short and sweet and it makes sense.This over steroid hemroid should not be president!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    Absent a never-used Constitutional convention, here's how the Constitution is amended:

    The Senate and the House of Representatives must pass a proposed amendment by a two-thirds majority in each house.

    Then the proposed amendment goes to to the states. Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment - usually within a given time period.

    There is no chance in hell that two-thirds of the Senate, two-thirds of the House, and three-fourths of the states are going to pass an amendment designed to let Gov. Schwarzenegger run for President. No chance. None.

    But I would say to the proponents, hey, dreams are nice. Do what you feel you need to do.
    Agreed. And if we were going to do this, we should have done it 200 years ago and put Alexander Hamilton in the WH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    I'd be looking and listening to who Falwell and Roberston suggest and/or support for 08 if ya really want to predict who will be running. There is no seperation of Church and State anymore-- our country is not a democracy or a Republic at this point in time-- it is a Theocracy. The founding priciples under which the U.S.A was created no longer apply to current government policy. It is nothing short of a profound disgrace.
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