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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6468373/?GT1=5809



    MIAMI - Police have acknowledged using a stun gun to immobilize a 12-year-old girl just weeks after an officer jolted a first-grader with 50,000 volts.


    The article says that they might be reviewing their policy. Gee. Ya think?
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    I dunno,im glad they zapped the lil sucker.I support what they did 100%.
    heres why i think that,put that rope and those torches away!!

    It doesnt matter if its a mentally unstable full grown adult swinging broken glass,or a six year old mentally unstable kid swinging a piece of broken glass.Its a weapon!!!!
    The glass still cuts cops and can still cut the person swinging it.Just dog piling the kid with a bunch of cops runs the risk of someone comming down on the glass in the heap.(kinda like in a bar fight,never go down on the floor,thats where all the broken glass is!)
    Anyone here try to restrain a 6 year old who is freaking out ,even without broken glass in his hands?HA!!!Its like a greased pig!
    I know it sounds shocking(heheheh lil joke)but without a doubt,it was the safest way to secure the situation,for the cops(most important)and then the perpatrator.(only important to the media because its a kid)
    The cop wasnt alone,a few cops were there,i guess they all thought it was the safest way to bring the situation under control,for everyone involved,including the kid,or they would have used mace or clubs right???
    The stun gun used is safe on people over 60 lbs,thats about the size of a 6 year old on average.They dont have any studies i have seen on affects of the gun under 60 lbs.
    If used correctly,this methode is very safe and works real real good.

    Would you still feel upset if the 6 year old had been holding a gun??
    A Knife??
    A sharp piece of glass?

    If it were you facing the same situation,wouldnt you want the safest,most efficeint solution availiable? thats the stun gun.
    I reccommend all entertainers carry one in their purse.Mace pisses people off and doesnt always end the problem,a stun gun ends the problem in a milasecond,no discussions.
    If its legal in your state,get one IMO.
    I think if more people were aware of a stun guns bennifits and capeabilities,this wouldnt even be questioned except by a story hungry media.


    Im only talking about the 6year old case.I have heard of the 12 year old but have not read up on all the details.

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    The details are in the article I linked to; they didn't have the Stupid Cop Redux info in my morning news either. It's a copyright thing (MSNBC news site) else I would have copy and pasted the whole article.

    In my opinion, and I say this from the bottom of my heart, these fellows are the biggest bunch of limp-wristed, pantywaist PUSSIES I have ever or will ever hear of. A six year old. Gee. A six year old facing down several full-grown, security trained adults, even. Wow. I'm sure they were in fear of their very lives. Just for the record, I am five feet tall, weight 113 pounds soaking wet and am damn near nine months pregnant. There isn't a six year old alive I can't take ('cause I'm just so much more macho than the cops, I guess).

    He might have had a gun? A knife? I don't give a good goddamn if he MIGHT had a fecking flamethrower loaded with liquid nitrogen. He didn't and "might" doesn't turn these wussified sadists into heroes.
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    If I were approaching an angry six-year-old, having raised one or more of them, it would not even occur to me to use a weapon. That's obscene. Do we understand how freakin small that child is? Kindergarten age.

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    Being the mother of a 5 year old, I think that since the child did have a broken piece of glass as a weapon, that the cops did the best thing for everyone. The child could have cut himself with the glass. I agree on doing what you need to do to immobilize the child, still keeping him out of harm that is....

    If the child had not had a weapon and was just flipping out, then I would agree with Lilith. If several grown adults can't take down a 6 year old child, that's crazy!!



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    Sure hope the poor kid does not get processed for obstruction of justice or resisting an arrest!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    If I were approaching an angry six-year-old, having raised one or more of them, it would not even occur to me to use a weapon. That's obscene. Do we understand how freakin small that child is? Kindergarten age.
    They approached an angry kid,they didnt know he was 6 or 8 or a short 12.
    The kid had a full grown adult security person pinned to the wall.
    The child holding the glass had already cut himself a few times and was bleeding,nobody knew how bad the kid was hurt.

    It wasnt pretty,but the situation was ended,without additional injuries to anyone instantly.Everyone went home that night without getting hurt.
    Job well done,paycheck earned imo.
    A non lethal solution to a lethal situation.Isnt that what people have been screaming for over decades??
    Could most adults subdue a 6 year old,sure,but its gonna take a sec.And thats NOT with the threat of a weapon.
    i guess the cop decided that there was a slight chance that he or the kid could get hurt,so he took the safest option avail to them at that moment.

    This is just media shock drama.

    I wonder if the security guard(pussy he may be)has given his impressions of the inncedent.I wonder if he is happy they used it.

    As for the girl,and whats in the description of the details in the link,it sounds like he saved this drunk childs life.I hope he gets a medal,or at least a thank you card from her folks.

    have you never seen a drunk walk into a wall??
    The cop stopped a 12 year old from walking into traffic.
    Again,job well done,paycheck earned.

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    What a society:

    1) When we have security guards in an elementary school.

    2) When we have an elementary school security guard who can't subdue an angry kindergartener who has a piece of glass.

    3) When we have a principal who feels compelled to call the cops for a kindergartner and can't take care of the kid himself.

    4) When we have a cop who feels compelled to taze a six-year-old rather than say, 'Kid, gimme that, or I'll take it away myself and haul you off to jail," and make it happen. (Personally, I wouldn't bet that a Taser might not stop a six-year-old's heart.)

    5) When we have a six-year-old kid who feels empowered enough to break a picture and use broken glass to threaten people with.

    Has no one else here even taken care of an angry kid? Absent a gun, is there really any problem? I've always felt a bit out of the Reality Zone in this PP section, and this defense of hitting a six-year-old with 50,000 volts just reinforces that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    What a society:

    1) When we have security guards in an elementary school.

    2) When we have an elementary school security guard who can't subdue an angry kindergartener who has a piece of glass.

    3) When we have a principal who feels compelled to call the cops for a kindergartner and can't take care of the kid himself.

    4) When we have a cop who feels compelled to taze a six-year-old rather than say, 'Kid, gimme that, or I'll take it away myself and haul you off to jail," and make it happen. (Personally, I wouldn't bet that a Taser might not stop a six-year-old's heart.)

    5) When we have a six-year-old kid who feels empowered enough to break a picture and use broken glass to threaten people with.

    Has no one else here even taken care of an angry kid? Absent a gun, is there really any problem? I've always felt a bit out of the Reality Zone in this PP section, and this defense of hitting a six-year-old with 50,000 volts just reinforces that.
    Yikes! That is a scary thought....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    If I were approaching an angry six-year-old, having raised one or more of them, it would not even occur to me to use a weapon. That's obscene. Do we understand how freakin small that child is? Kindergarten age.
    I'm with Jay on this one-- there is NEVER a reason to use a weapon on a small child

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    Yes its a scarey thought,but i wouldnt bet on it.

    Postal carriers use them on dogs that weigh less then 30 lbs,the dogs dont die,just go to sleep real fast.

    Should we stop full grown adult letter carriers from using them on dogs??

    This is a far softer response imo then Mace would have been.I would have had issue with mace being used in the situation.

    There are studies done on people over 60 lbs,none that can be found on under 60.
    But a safe bet would be that if it doesnt kill a dog,it wont kill a kid,just put them to bed real fast.

    Here is my impression of the kids statement to the media...

    <<crouches down to look shorter>>
    "i was angry.I was hurting myself.I was trying to hurt others.
    The police man got there and told me to put it down.I didnt listen and went to sleep."

    "When i woke up,i wasnt angry anymore,my boo boo's had bandaids on them,the other people didnt get hurt,and i was home safe with my mother,like they were home safe with their families."
    "can i go play sega now?"

    If i was a betting man,i would bet he will be the best behaved kid in school for awhile.

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    ^YIKES !!! Cant believe that I even have to point this out-- kids and dogs are not the same

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    Without trying to be personal about it, to biologically compare a dog of any size with a six-year-old human kid is mind-boggling to me. I can detail the few thousand differences, but must I? Really?

    I don't care if mail carriers use mace on threatening dogs. I would much rather face a pissed-off six-year-old than a moderately irate dog. I've been hurt by dogs. They are fast, and they have teeth, and they were born knowing how to use them. I haven't been hurt by six-year-olds, except for their heads being about groin height when they run up for a hug.

    As far as betting, when you're talking about 50,000 volts, 40 pounds of human wrapped around a still-developing heart, brain, and internal organs, I wouldn't even take a 1 out of 10,000 chance. Of course, I didn't realize it wasn't any different than lying down for a nap. I've been zapped with an open current, and it didn't feel like a nap to me, but I'm way past six years old and 40 pounds, too.

    I have no doubt the kid will be well-behaved. I think that's Chapter 1 of Raising Your Child. "If you're having problems, a nice dose of 50,000 volts will bring little Johnny right in line."

    What an unreal conversation this is. Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    What a society:

    1) When we have security guards in an elementary school.

    2) When we have an elementary school security guard who can't subdue an angry kindergartener who has a piece of glass.

    3) When we have a principal who feels compelled to call the cops for a kindergartner and can't take care of the kid himself.

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    Jay, the first three points you made all stem from the number of lawsuits filed and actually won in court that had no reason being there. Everyone decides if it is worth taking the risk, and when they don't they call in someone else to do what used to be their job. North America has become such a litigious society that pretty soon if you look at someone the wrong way you will get sued. I think Shakespeare had it right, something about killing all the lawyers. All of these situations now end up with the police having to clean up the mess, and heh, they aren't perfect, but 20 years ago they wouldn't have had to be called to a situation like this.
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    I am 5 foot 3 and 105 lbs. How difficult can it be to subdue a 6 year old with a piece of glass? If he had a gun, yeah, that would be a different story, but a piece of glass?!?! How difficult is it to grab the kid and apprehend the piece of glass. Besides the fact that 6 year olds are very small with very short limbs, 6 year old kids are generally NOT all that coordinated. I'm sure the kid wasn't some expert as glass wielding. Dogs are much more dangerous than 6 year old kids, they can run a lot faster, jump, not to mention their teeth, (I work as a Veterinary Assistant and KNOW dogs.) I have also worked in a day care and 6 year old kids can't hold a candle next to what a dog can do. Also, I would hope that the police would put a CHILD's saftey above their own. That's their job.
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    http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...er-main18.html

    Tasers can be deadly. Also, I highly doubt that tasers were ever tested on 6 year old children to see the effects.

    Also being shocked by a taser isn't a nice "going to sleep" you are fully conscious while it is happening and it hurts very badly.
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    I think it's pretty sad that a POLICE officer thinks so little of his own "hand-to-hand" skills compared to a 6 year old that he used a taser. I think the kids parents should sue the bastard.

    I have 6/7 year old little boys around here and I could easily over-take them if need be.

    Some people were just not meant to be Police Officers...I think this is a good example of that...along with the moron who cannot seem to "control" a 12 year old.

    Morons.

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    I can't believe anyone could compare a kindergarden child to a rabbid dog! A thing like that says alot about a persons character. That officer needs a complete mental workup and therapy as well as at least a year in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21
    Jay, the first three points you made all stem from the number of lawsuits filed and actually won in court that had no reason being there. Everyone decides if it is worth taking the risk, and when they don't they call in someone else to do what used to be their job. North America has become such a litigious society that pretty soon if you look at someone the wrong way you will get sued. I think Shakespeare had it right, something about killing all the lawyers. All of these situations now end up with the police having to clean up the mess, and heh, they aren't perfect, but 20 years ago they wouldn't have had to be called to a situation like this.
    Litigation is the straw man that people like to blame the ills of society on, forgetting that litigation against negligence and malicious actions also helps to prompt changes in society that wouldn't otherwise occur. I think that security in schools has been made more necessary by the general lack of responsibility of parents in raising well-behaved kids, the inability of the school system to use effective means on their own in discipline, general lack of human respect, little things like Columbine (further comment declined lest Cas.Obs. take me to task), and many other factors - including litigation.

    But that's beside the point. Whatever the reasons are for security guards in elementary school and police being called for an elementary school situation, my whole commentary on that was, "What a society."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    ^YIKES !!! Cant believe that I even have to point this out-- kids and dogs are not the same
    I was talking weights and measures.
    The example was a 30 lb dog not dieing when zapped.The average weight of a 3 year old.(not that i think 3 year olds should be zapped)
    Im aware of the differences,its the two legs,four legs that gives it away for us folks that didnt get to much book learnin.Some say always check the adams apple,but i just look for da thumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chani_Fremen
    I am 5 foot 3 and 105 lbs. How difficult can it be to subdue a 6 year old with a piece of glass? If he had a gun, yeah, that would be a different story, but a piece of glass?!?! How difficult is it to grab the kid and apprehend the piece of glass. Besides the fact that 6 year olds are very small with very short limbs, 6 year old kids are generally NOT all that coordinated. I'm sure the kid wasn't some expert as glass wielding.
    If that were the case,why didnt the teacher grab the kid??
    The principle??
    the security guard pinned to the wall??
    the first few cops that got there??

    Maybe he was a bruce lee mini me!!

    He had cut himself a few times and was bleeding BEFORE the cops got there.
    Why didnt a school full of professionaly trained teachers,trained to deal with 6 year olds,why didnt they grab the kid??
    All the adults in that school didnt stop him,and i didnt read any stories of an adult objecting just before the police zapped him.Where is their face on CNN????
    How come the only adults who are objecting to this were not there??

    BTW.did anyone ever figure out what pissed this little guy off so it wont happen again??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    Litigation is the straw man that people like to blame the ills of society on, forgetting that litigation against negligence and malicious actions also helps to prompt changes in society that wouldn't otherwise occur. I think that security in schools has been made more necessary by the general lack of responsibility of parents in raising well-behaved kids, the inability of the school system to use effective means on their own in discipline, general lack of human respect, little things like Columbine (further comment declined lest Cas.Obs. take me to task), and many other factors - including litigation.

    But that's beside the point. Whatever the reasons are for security guards in elementary school and police being called for an elementary school situation, my whole commentary on that was, "What a society."
    I can see your point Jay, and yes society is fucked up, but I believe that having security guards in school is only partially for security reasons, and more for any potential lawsuits that could come up. Between security guards and metal detectors, school budgets have that much less for teachers and text books. In this situation the security guard didn't do any good as the police were still called. School boards are too worried about lawsuits when they should be worried about teaching the students.
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    Wow. And in some places it's illegal to simply swat a child on the butt.


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    Spanking may not be in the answer, but back in the day it seems as if the children were a bit more well behaved. How the six year old was able to pin a security guard to a wall makes me wonder two things. First, does this guy moonlight as a rent-a-cop at the mall too and second, what was the kid on, I doubt it was just excess sugar. If all those people couldn't subdue him without resorting to that, they are either improperly trained or there must have been a good reason.

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