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    Oh! Oh! *waves hand in air* I know, I know! Pick me!

    The answer is "improperly trained" (and "sadistic asshats" for the bonus points). Witness that mere weeks after the first situation, a police officer with the same office tasered a fleeing 12 year old girl in the back. Incident the first on top of incident the second (both involving children) on top of not-too-past allegations of police brutality for Miami-Dade officers adds up to coincidence only in the magical land of Don't Think So.
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    BTW.did anyone ever figure out what pissed this little guy off so it wont happen again??
    This should be first on the list of things to do for the parents-imo. I know little ones have tantrums but this rings alarm bells.

    mere weeks after the first situation, a police officer with the same office tasered a fleeing 12 year old girl in the back. Incident the first on top of incident the second (both involving children) on top of not-too-past allegations of police brutality for Miami-Dade officers adds up to coincidence only in the magical land of Don't Think So.
    I agree 100%--there is NO EXCUSE to have used a weapon on a kid barely out of diapers -- the cop needs to be fired and have charges brought up against him as well as see a shrink.
    Last edited by Tigerlilly; 11-15-2004 at 04:35 PM. Reason: combining replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith
    Oh! Oh! *waves hand in air* I know, I know! Pick me!

    The answer is "improperly trained" (and "sadistic asshats" for the bonus points). Witness that mere weeks after the first situation, a police officer with the same office tasered a fleeing 12 year old girl in the back. Incident the first on top of incident the second (both involving children) on top of not-too-past allegations of police brutality for Miami-Dade officers adds up to coincidence only in the magical land of Don't Think So.
    Its hard to say what would sell more headlines....

    1.drunk 12 year old run over in traffic
    2.6 year old cuts juggler of 65 year old school security guard.
    3.those got dammed cops are abusing kids.

    I guess since it was a safe ending to the situation,not alot of choices left for the media,they had to pick door number 3.

    Thank goodness huh??

    These cops and both situations are being tried in the media with shock value and little details.

    Ask yourself this before you decide guilty or not.(even though from what i have seen,once someone said cop and kid,its instant guilt)

    With all the adults and witnesses at both situations that were NOT cops,how come no charges are being filed against the cops?
    How come the media cant find one,just one,person who will stand up and say something was done wrong or out of line or even illegal??

    If something wrong was done to a kid,or something even doubtful,charges would have been filed and adults would be all over the news protesting what THEY saw.
    The story isnt even front page anymore.
    The media went digging and came up empty.
    on top of not-too-past allegations of police brutality for Miami-Dade officers adds up to coincidence only in the magical land of Don't Think So.
    Me tinx your from the land of confusion more like it.Or a land where they hate police officers.
    I wonder if you ,and those that hold the same biased attitude towards police, will add these two situations to the "police brutality"list.

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    I think it was absolutely wrong. What was so hard about getting additional officers to come in from behind and grab the little guy, while he was focused on the officer(s) in front of him? It's not very hard to divert the attention of a 6 year old, I know, I have two children passed that age.

    A stun gun is VERY dangerous. What may not damage an adult, can still injure a child pretty seriously.

    Yeah, he had glass in his hand.. Yeah, he was smearing blood all over his face. Were they THAT afraid of him? What's next? An idiotic police officer actually SHOOTING a child with his gun?

    I just can't believe that they didn't learn their lesson, and did it to another child. The effin morons.

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    So BigGrn-- I guess you think its ok to use a weapon on a child barely older than a toddler... depending on the situation ???
    yes/no ?


    If so , I could not disagree more Maybe its a female thing, or maybe its a mother thing. I just think that is soooooooooo wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Its hard to say what would sell more headlines....

    1.drunk 12 year old run over in traffic
    2.6 year old cuts juggler of 65 year old school security guard.
    3.those got dammed cops are abusing kids.

    I guess since it was a safe ending to the situation,not alot of choices left for the media,they had to pick door number 3.

    Thank goodness huh??

    These cops and both situations are being tried in the media with shock value and little details.

    Ask yourself this before you decide guilty or not.(even though from what i have seen,once someone said cop and kid,its instant guilt)

    With all the adults and witnesses at both situations that were NOT cops,how come no charges are being filed against the cops?
    How come the media cant find one,just one,person who will stand up and say something was done wrong or out of line or even illegal??

    If something wrong was done to a kid,or something even doubtful,charges would have been filed and adults would be all over the news protesting what THEY saw.
    The story isnt even front page anymore.
    The media went digging and came up empty.
    Me tinx your from the land of confusion more like it.Or a land where they hate police officers.
    I wonder if you ,and those that hold the same biased attitude towards police, will add these two situations to the "police brutality"list.
    About the 12 year old. She's drunk...that means she's probably not at the height of her coordination. A full-grown, clean cop cannot RUN after her and subdue her? He cannot hold onto a KID? I find that a little preposterous. Of course, in this day and age...the cops are single-handedly keeping doughnut chains in business...

    Personally, behavior from a cop like the discussion here should get him 1 more chance with the department. If they pull a stunt like this again, then they get fired. End of story. The department should be doing fitness exams and weigh-ins every month. If they cannot pass the test or are not at a healthy weight...then they should get suspended until they can pass the fitness/health exams or can run 6 feet without stopping for a few breaths. It's not discrimination...it's ability to do the job.

    As for the adults not doing or saying anything while they see this happening...yeah...they must have been the same people who WATCHED a young girl get kidnapped in the mall parking lot.

    People don't necessarily say anything when it doesn't involve them. That doesn't mean that the police are correct in their protocols.

    I say sue the cops and then fire them. Let them get a job at the taser manufacturers as a testing dummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess

    I say sue the cops and then fire them. Let them get a job at the taser manufacturers as a testing dummy.
    Ooooh! I like that idea, Venus! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    So BigGrn-- I guess you think its ok to use a weapon on a child barely older than a toddler... depending on the situation ???
    yes/no ?
    The word weapon is very broad,but yes.
    If its my kid,I say zapp them twice for good measure,just so they would remember what their father and mother taught then about immediatly complying to a lawful order from a police officer in uniform!
    I also agree with the guys in Iraq who shoot a 5 year old who has a bomb strapped to his back and walking towards their bunker.
    I wouldnt agree if these cops shot him with a gun or mace.I dont think they should have hit him with their clubs either.

    Another question is about the film footage of the kid later that night.
    Out in the street by himself.
    where was the parent/s
    He didnt even get grounded.

    I dont think i would have let my kid out of the house for awhile,if i did,it wouldnt be alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    This should be first on the list of things to do for the parents-imo. I know little ones have tantrums but this rings alarm bells.
    At least you see that the situation wasnt normal bye any means.
    I just need you to admit that maybe,just maybe,a stun gun might have been the best answer to the situation.

    Even the media has given up.
    the police acted in the best interest of the child.

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    BTW I know some of you have been digging like crazy to find it...

    Anyone got a story about a kid croaking when zapped???

    Anyone got a story about an adult that died from just being zapped???

    anything???

    anyone????

    hellooooooooooooo

    Why do you think almost every police officer in the country will be carrying one within 5 years??
    100,000's of them already do.
    The stun gun is the non lethal weapon of the future,thats why i think all entertainers should toss out the mace and get one.

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    Apparently this is going on more often than previously reported:

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/3920847/detail.html

    Political leaders are also questioning the policy of some Florida counties. Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, in Jacksonville Monday to discuss faith-based initiatives and attend a United Negro College Fund luncheon, said the need for Taser guns seemed unclear.

    "It's hard for me to envision how a well-trained police officer would have a hard time subduing a 6-year-old," he said.

    This year, there have been seven incidents in which officers used Tasers on children in Northeast Florida. Four of those occurred in Putnam County, and three in Clay County.


    http://www.news4jax.com/news/2748427/detail.html

    According to the resource officer's report:

    "I deployed my taser … to her chest. [She] continued to struggle. … I touched [her] a second time on her back with my taser and attempted to place her on her stomach. [She] then jumped to her feet and pushed her teacher to the ground and began to run. …I then deployed the air cartridge. … [She] fell to the ground and I ordered her several times to put her hands behind her back. I engaged the taser, she attempted to get up I engaged the taser again for another cycle. She then was handcuffed."

    Strange world.


    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Hey, BigGreen:

    Check out these links.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in630519.shtml
    http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/192547-5633-103.html
    http://www.startribune.com/stories/467/5035741.html

    The worst thing about using a stun gun on someone is that you do not know their medical history. If the person has a bad heart or is prone to a heart attack and you taser them...they are more likely to go into a cardiac arrest. Using stun guns on violent people is fine...using stun guns on everybody so you don't have to scuffle with them is a no-no. If someone doesn't want the "possiblity" of splitting their lip subduing someone, then law enforcement (at least the beat) is not in the cards for them. There is no excuse in using stronger force just because of the "risks" involved with the incident. That's a police officer's job.

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    Oopsy...here's another article:

    http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/st...toryid=2233608

    Safety concern on police stun gun

    November 12, 2004

    A MINISTERIAL advisory group expressed concern about the safety of stun guns before a Victoria Police trial of the weapons, a report obtained under Freedom of Information has revealed.

    In the report obtained by a coalition of Victorian legal groups, the advisory group that discussed the possible introduction of Air Tasers said there was a lack of scientific evidence about their safety.

    A 12-month trial of the guns by the force's special operations group is expected to end later this month.

    In its report, the ministerial advisory group said the use of Tasers had been found to increase the risk of miscarriage in pregnant women, heart attack and stroke in people with cardiovascular disease and sudden death in people taking drugs.

    Other groups on whom a Taser should not be used included children, adolescents, older people and people with mental illness.

    The ministerial advisory group recommended a scientific evaluation of the guns be carried out.

    "In the view of this group, it would not be possible for the Victorian government to make any decision with respect to the introduction of Air Tasers without a proper, evidence-based evaluative process," it said.

    The 12-month trial was launched on the basis of a study on Tasers conducted by Melbourne's Alfred Hospital.

    But the coalition of legal groups described the study as a literature review, saying the guns were dangerous and had resulted in 60 deaths in the United States.

    "There is a place for the special operations group in emergency crisis situations to have this as an appropriate alternative to the use of lethal force," Liberty Victoria vice-president Brian Walters SC said.

    "But more widespread issuing of them is quite out of place."

    Mental Health Legal Centre spokeswoman Kate Lawrence said people with mental illnesses were commonly victims of stun guns.

    She said mental health professionals should work with police as they had in the past in crisis situations.

    Taser guns work by firing electrode tipped wires from a distance of up to 7m, the group said.

    The two darts deliver a series of short 50,000-volt shocks over five seconds, briefly stunning the target.

    Victorian Police Union secretary Paul Mullett said the coalition of legal groups should not deny police access to Tasers, which had been shown to be effective in disarming people without injuring them.

    The guns had been issued to police forces in the United States, the United Kingdom and Europe, he said.

    "They're entitled to their views, but we don't deny them or their members access to best practice equipment (such as) fountain pens (and) laptop computers," he said.

    AAP

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    sorry Venus,i shudda said,show me a story where a stun gun was proven to have killed someone.
    The stories you provided are not that.Most say the gun "may"have contributed to the death.

    The one where the jailer zapped him a zillion times....
    well,it wasnt used right and he is being charged with the crime.

    Show me evidence,not guesswork on the gun not being everything the maker claims,with the track record that it has.
    Can someone show me a lawsuit against the taser company??Not an accusation,but a ruling against the company.
    The facts mame<tips hat>just the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess

    The worst thing about using a stun gun on someone is that you do not know their medical history. If the person has a bad heart or is prone to a heart attack and you taser them...they are more likely to go into a cardiac arrest.


    Im sorry,if your involved in criminal activity,i think you should lose your right to a pre arrest physical screening before the cops slap the cuffs on ya.

    call me crazy!!!!

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    would you feel the same way if the 6 year old had a handgun???

    Should he have been zapped then???

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    ...using stun guns on everybody so you don't have to scuffle with them is a no-no. If someone doesn't want the "possiblity" of splitting their lip subduing someone, then law enforcement (at least the beat) is not in the cards for them. There is no excuse in using stronger force just because of the "risks" involved with the incident. That's a police officer's job.
    Sorry your sooooooo wrong imo Venus.

    We dont pay our police to scuffle.

    a police officers job isnt to lay down his life and scuffle when a safe non lethal alternative is availiable.

    Heres a common list of weapons on any given police officer's sam brown.

    nightstick
    9mm gun
    mace
    stun gun
    The cop made the right choice imo for the situation.

    How old does a person have to be before its ok in your book??
    6 year old with glass?
    8 year old with glass?
    10 year old with glass?
    12 year old with glass?
    14 year old with glass?
    16 year old with glass?
    18 year old with glass?
    adult with glass??

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    That's crazy. I've worked with severely emotionally disturbed kids, and I've put a fifteen year old boy with a (small) pocket knife in restraint by myself. I've also broken up dog fights with my bare hands (and have the scars to prove it). I had only taken the two day restraint training when they hired me. I know cops get more training than that.

    Sometimes you know your gonna get bit, or hit, or jabbed with a peice of glass (big fucking deal), and you do it anyways. If a person doesn't care enough about other human beings to take a glass jab rather than shoot a six year old with a taser, why the fuck are they a cop?

    BigGreen, there is a huge difference between the cardiac system of a dog and a developing child.



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    I just need you to admit that maybe,just maybe,a stun gun might have been the best answer to the situation.
    Never. There is never a reason, ever.

    would you feel the same way if the 6 year old had a handgun???

    Should he have been zapped then???
    Yes. I'd still feel the same. It is never right to use a weapon on a small child.

    I do think there is something definatly not right with the situation even beyond the cop-- who was wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone who would use any sort of weapon on a small child is cruel to the bone. That kid was crying/acting out for a reason that is beyond normal or healthy but it's does not excuse the actions of using a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    At least you see that the situation wasnt normal bye any means.
    I just need you to admit that maybe,just maybe,a stun gun might have been the best answer to the situation.

    Even the media has given up.
    the police acted in the best interest of the child.
    Read the whole story and it still doesn't call for that type of response. If you or I or some other parent did this to our child, we would be in jail and the kid would be taken away.

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    The police actually hit twice now with these things. ONe young girl was going to take off in traffic, and the young boy was going to cut himself he said. I don't see why police just can't grab them, especially the girl if your that close.

    Now we have a place down the street that says "Coming Soon!" Cell phones with a tasers! The news shows them as of no good use. I agree.

    Pamela

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitri
    Read the whole story and it still doesn't call for that type of response. If you or I or some other parent did this to our child, we would be in jail and the kid would be taken away.
    I have read the stories,both situations had many adults involved.

    Where are the charges on the cops?
    Where are the witnesses condeming the cops action??
    Wheres sharpton and jesse jackson?
    wheres the naacp?
    wheres the cival liberties union???
    where is anyone other then the media saying this situation was handled incorrectly??

    I would bet that if anything was done out of line to a 6 year old black kid by cops,all of the above would be all over it.
    Now the story is just fading away.

    Why is that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    sorry Venus,i shudda said,show me a story where a stun gun was proven to have killed someone.
    The stories you provided are not that.Most say the gun "may"have contributed to the death.
    How else are you going to prove it? The person was living BEFORE being tasered and then after that was dead. "Reasonable inference" would be that the taser caused the death. May have contributed...does it matter? I'll bet that tackling the person would have prevented them from dying. The only other cause of death would be the moronic police officer using the taser.

    Show me evidence,not guesswork on the gun not being everything the maker claims,with the track record that it has.
    Can someone show me a lawsuit against the taser company??Not an accusation,but a ruling against the company.
    The facts mame<tips hat>just the facts.
    I've showed you the evidence that people have DIED from being tasered. It has nothing to do with faulty tasers...it has to do with the faulty "response" process by the person administering the tasers. You keep changing your story...what will it be now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM


    Im sorry,if your involved in criminal activity,i think you should lose your right to a pre arrest physical screening before the cops slap the cuffs on ya.

    call me crazy!!!!
    What does this have to do with tasering drunk children or children having an emotional breakdown and waving a piece of glass around?

    In several of the news stories...it's not because someone was "armed and dangerous"...it was because the overweight, unconditioned police officer didn't want to raise his heart rate.

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    Taser the little bastards for a few minutes, maybe it will shock some sense into them and maybe their parents will feel it also.

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