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    I think with the clear cut connection between G.W Bush and the Fundys it might behoove us to keep an eye on wackjobs from the so called "Moral Majority" like Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston.

    These two men now have a tremendous amount of power on everyones life and since they would call everyone who in the industry an plaything of the demon- it might be a good idea to know what they are up to .....

    Here's a bilb from their websites and the homepage links:

    Dr. Jerry Falwell announced today the formation of The Faith and Values Coalition, a national organization designed to maintain the national momentum gained through "values voters" who swept President Bush back into office on November 2.

    "Following the sweeping re-election of President Bush and a new generation of conservative lawmakers nationwide, a new organization, Faith and Values Coalition (TFVC), has been launched," said Falwell from his headquarters in Lynchburg, Virginia. "The group's central premise is to utilize the momentum of the November 2 elections to maintain an evangelical revolution of voters who will continue to go to the polls to 'vote Christian.' Essentially, TFVC is a 21st century resurrection of the Moral Majority."
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    Pat Robertson believes there is a battle raging for the soul of America. He writes that courts run amok, fueled by secular allies, are eroding America's spiritual foundations


    Here's some other thing I pulled from their sites:

    Falwell Clarifies Belief That Biblical Antichrist
    Will Be Jewish

    As a Christian, I believe that role-modeling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children. I find the flat denials of such a portrayal by Teletubbies producers to be disingenuous and insufficient in answering the questions that have been raised about the Tinky Winky character since the series premiered in England in 1997.
    As a Christian, I believe that role-modeling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children. I find the flat denials of such a portrayal by Teletubbies producers to be disingenuous and insufficient in answering the questions that have been raised about the Tinky Winky character since the series premiered in England in 1997.

    Robertson:

    When a child flies into a rage, or breaks something, or displays behavior that is obviously malicious and wrong, there is nothing wrong with smacking him sharply once or twice

    a wife has the ability to make her husband the head of the household by urging him to take his proper role as priest in the home. She should encourage him to seek God, to find out what God is telling the family to do. She can build her husband up and, by being willing to submit

    In today's world, the term fornication is rarely used and immorality between unmarried people is commonly accepted as a lifestyle. But immorality, however commonplace, is a sin that will keep millions of people out of heaven, unless they repent.

    Christians can have a much more stimulating sex life than non-ChristiansNon-Christians cannot join together in the spirit. They lack that extra dimension.
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    Jerry Falwell is a shameless shill. Pat Robertson is a nut case.

    Yeah, they both wield power, like Greenpeace wields power with the Democrats. In other words, their actual political capital doesn't come close to matching up with their noise level or the way they take credit for things that were none of their doing.

    You and I are doomed to disagree on this, Tiger. To me, the Christian Coalition types (which are a subset of fundamentalists, and fundamentalists run from a few liberal, many conservative, but a large number uninvolved) are a noisy, mostly ineffective offshoot of Republicans. They usually have to sneak a candidate in through the stealth of "moderate" descriptions. On the rare occasion that their candidate wins, it's heralded like the Second Coming (irony intended). Mostly they're paid lip service to, because of their propaganda machine with a bunch of people who don't even necessarily share their views.

    Yeah, they're making noise of building on the election. If Kerry had won, they'd be making a push to "resist the rising tide of antiChristian leadership."

    A Christian "theocracy" would do such things as prohibit work on Sunday and mandate religious teaching in schools. We're not even close to a theocracy. This is from a guy (me) who philosophically supports taxing churches.

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    Yeah, they both wield power, like Greenpeace wields power with the Democrats. In other words, their actual political capital doesn't come close to matching up with their noise level or the way they take credit for things that were none of their doing.
    Exactly.

    Falwell and Robertson are friggin' caricatures amongst most Christians, even fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are loons of the first order among their own people, and there is certainly no motivation of any administration to lend creedence to their voices by changing policy to suit their whims--and they don't have to.

    Fundamentalists and some evangelicals will not vote for candidates for any office that are so obviously antithetical to their belief system. They don't need Falwell and Robertson to motivate or educate them in that capacity, or for policymakers to respond to their public pronouncements. The reason these idiots make news is because they're so obnoxious in their self-aggrandizement.

    If anything, the continued public exposure these narcissists get in the press actually helps moderate and motivate their opponents on the left, through fundraising, policy awareness, et al. Ideally, every imbecilic word uttered from their mouths would make it into a broad distribution media, so as to further expose them for what they are, as JZ put it most succinctly--shameless shills.
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    Falwell and Robertson are friggin' caricatures amongst most Christians, even fundamentalists and evangelicals. They are loons of the first order among their own people
    Huh They are the "voice" of the movement and are both VERY represenative to just about every Fundys I have come across in my almost 30 years of life -- and I have lived around , gone to school with etc. etc. ALOT of Fundy people being that I have spent over half my live in the south.

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    Christian Coalition: submit to your man

    Islam: Submit to Allah

    Us Founding Fathers: Submit to No One, be Independant!

    See a pattern here.....

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    Tigerlily, I posted that quote in another thread, but that's OK, it needs to be seen. I am not alone in finding these people very scary. I have many, many Republican friends who scoff at the idea that people like this are gaining too much power in the party, and in American politics as a whole. I cannot be so complaisant.

    The Moral Majority was a dangerous and downright unAmerican phenomenon. Though it has faded away, it's legacy is seen in the rising power of Fundamentalists within the political arena.

    No matter how screwy the exit polls may have been, it is quite clear that religon--and so-called 'moral issues'--has had an undue effect on this past election. I am not going to disown my dad, or my many friends who may have voted for Bush, but there is no way I could vote for a man who is so outspokenly Pro-Life, who appointed a Nazi like Ashcroft as Attorney General, who believes in prayer in the schools, and worst of all--has indicated that he believes he has a mandate from God. Unfortunately for the concept of religious freedom in the USA, there are a lot of people who believe that we are free to worship the God of their choice, not ours.

    George Bush, Sr. spent the night before his War on Iraq in prayer with Billy Graham, an evangelist who works through that most spiritual of artifacts, television. I found this to be extremely frightening--but his little boy has grown up to be much more frightening, and he has some dangerous allies right here in the US of A...

    "One in three American Christians call themselves evangelicals and many evangelicals believe the second coming of Christ will occur in the Middle East after a titanic battle with the anti-Christ...59% of all Americans believe that what is written in the Bible's Book of Revelations will come to pass."

    GWB also has an extremely intolerant attitude towards protesters, as anyone who watched him as Governor in Austin can testify. His campaign policy on who was allowed to view his public appearances also smacks of theological programming...

    "Bush and Cheney only appear before hand-picked pre-screened Republican supporters who must also sign a misspelled declaration of allegiance to Bush (for publication) and all he stands for. Rumor has it, some supporters also have to take off their shoes. Once they’re in, they can only ask pre-approved questions like "Why did God pick you to be president?" and "Why do Democrats hate America?" Attendees of Bush/Cheney rallies are also allowed to give pre-approved personal testimony before the cameras – like the gentleman who gushed that since Bush has been president it was the first time he felt like "God was in the White House." '
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Christian Coalition: submit to your man

    Islam: Submit to Allah

    Us Founding Fathers: Submit to No One, be Independant!

    See a pattern here.....
    Interesting line of thought-- but what about Buddha ? Or what about the Tao folks ?

    I have always been intriqued with the teachings as well as some of the ideas in Wicca-- the whole Mother Nature thing .

    I describe my beliefs as a combo of many religions -- others have accused me of being no true believer because i do not choose one in any particular.

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    Do you guys feel that a large amount of non-evangelical people who voted for Bush are not aware of the direction his administration is taking the country and his often dishonest and pro big business dealings in the past and while he was in office?

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    I have to agree with TigerLilly here. The religious right has learned that they can't just shove their agenda down the public's throats, so they're thinking long term...work to GOTV for candidates they think they can sway, tie into them heavily, and put constant pressure on them to do what they want in incremental steps. They'd like a sort of theocracy, but will for the time being settle for things like stickers on biology texts that talk about creation;prayer in schools; govt money to churches under the guise of faith based public service;weakening and ultimately overturning Roe v. Wade; pushing back the gays back in the closet; vouchers for religious schools....etc etc. It's a slow tide that they hope will ultimately wash away the footprints of us secular types.

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    Tina, I think that most people who vote don't know shit from shinola, to be quite honest. Very few people bother to inform themselves about who they're voting for. They either vote straight ticket or base a vote on some vague, falsely perceived issue they have with the candidates. However, I will say that in terms of the moral values issue...that a lot of people voted for Bush because they are afraid that a guy like John Kerry in the WH would mean that the radical left would get a foothold in the US, and the next thing you know, gay marriages will be taught as the norm in elementary schools across the country.

    They might have a point. It's just too bad that both parties are ruled by their fringes, while the rest of us twist in the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Do you guys feel that a large amount of non-evangelical people who voted for Bush are not aware of the direction his administration is taking the country and his often dishonest and pro big business dealings in the past and while he was in office?
    Tina, I feel that way as most of the Pro-Bush people I've talked with lack the critical thinking skills neccesary to support thier positions.

    I can state to them in detail why I disagree with any decision GW's admin makes. The only rebuffs I get is that I "Support Terrorists", "Belittle and hate our troops", etc, etc. Absolutely, no critical thinking skills used at all, just labeling it's absoloutely scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgrad
    Tina, I feel that way as most of the Pro-Bush people I've talked with lack the critical thinking skills neccesary to support thier positions.

    I can state to them in detail why I disagree with any decision GW's admin makes. The only rebuffs I get is that I "Support Terrorists", "Belittle and hate our troops", etc, etc. Absolutely, no critical thinking skills used at all, just labeling it's absoloutely scary.
    I soooooooo agree- that has also been my experience over the past year both in day to day life as well as what I have seen out of people on the net. There are ofcourse a few that were not like that, but they were far & few between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgrad
    Tina, I feel that way as most of the Pro-Bush people I've talked with lack the critical thinking skills neccesary to support thier positions.

    I can state to them in detail why I disagree with any decision GW's admin makes. The only rebuffs I get is that I "Support Terrorists", "Belittle and hate our troops", etc, etc. Absolutely, no critical thinking skills used at all, just labeling it's absoloutely scary.
    I have run into people who are anti-Kerry, as opposed to pro-Bush, who are very intelligent and fully capable of critical thinking on as high a plane as anyone out there. My girlfriend for instance, lol. Most of them do see GWB as the gibbering buffoon (albeit an extremely dangerous one) I feel he is.

    But I do find it ironic--and imbecilic--that the best way these people you are referring to can think of to "support our troops", is to keep them in a place where people are trying to blow their testicles off every fucking day, in order to make a few rich old white men even richer. Some of these guys are glad to be there, but I'd rather they be in Afghanistan, or somewhere where the people we are fighting actually started the goddamned war with us.
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    Bob Jones to President Bush.

    November 3, 2004
    President George W. Bush
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    Dear Mr. President:

    The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America's history. Congratulations!

    In your re-election, God has graciously granted America--though she doesn't deserve it--a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

    Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

    Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (I Thessalonians 5:1. It would have been hard, but because the Lord lifts up whom He will and pulls down whom He will, I would have done it. It is easy to rejoice today, because Christ has allowed you to be His servant in this nation for another presidential term. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. You have four years--a brief time only--to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God.

    Christ said, "If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour" (John 12:26).

    The student body, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you--that you would do right and honor the Savior. Pull out all the stops and make a difference. If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them. Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn't care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right.

    Best wishes.

    Sincerely your friend,

    Bob Jones III
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    PS: A few moments ago I read this letter to the students in Chapel. They applauded loudly their approval.

    When I told them that Tom Daschle was no longer the minority leader of the Senate, they cheered again.

    On occasion, Christians have not agreed with things you said during your first term. Nonetheless, we could not be more thankful that God has given you four more years to serve Him in the White House, never taking off your Christian faith and laying it aside as a man takes off a jacket, but living, speaking, and making decisions as one who knows the Bible to be eternally true.



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