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    Default Would you be in favor of this law?

    Whirlerz's story about the little girl near her place got me thinking...

    There are a lot of people who shouldn't have kids in this world...I think we can probably all agree on that.

    Would you be ok with a law that paid people to be sterilized? Maybe, say....$2000? Plus the surgery would be covered. Or better yet, have a means test tied to it...the more money you make, the less money you get for being sterilized. If you're making over 100K/year, you might only get 50 bucks or so.

    Any thoughts?

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    Absolutely. I'm all for sterilization of people who couldn't handle being parents. In fact, I have a really good friend who had her tubes tied a few years ago because she did NOT want children. Ever. She knew she wouldn't be cut out for it, and even admitted that she would probably hate the child through the years. She made the right choice.

    A lot of people don't THINK before they have children. That's why we have so much abuse, neglect, and far worse things that happen to the little ones.

    I was thinking of putting a link with this post that someone had sent me awhile back, but it is far too depressing, and descriptive to post on the open forum. If anyone wants it, just shoot me a PM. It's a "memorial" to children who were killed by their parents in one form or another. There are a couple of stories on there that still haunt me every single day. You can also "adopt" an angel for them. The two cases that touched me the most, I "adopted".

    Anyway.. I don't want to get too much off-topic... The only thing with the sterilization, is I would think it would have to be elective, meaning the person would have to want it, or at least agree to it. Some people are too fucked up in the head to realize that they aren't capable to care for a child. It doesn't hit them until it's too late.

    It's a good concept though.

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    Absolutely!


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    I wouldn't be comfortable with a law like that. It wasn't too long ago that something like that did exist. It was called Eugenics.
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    Default Re: Would you be in favor of this law?

    no. I don't like that idea. That could encourage some young destitute person to become sterilized for the wrong reasons.

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    I recall an episode of "Chicago Hope" where a crackhead who was being being paid to get sterilized started hustling the price upwards when she figured out she could do so.......this is where we get to the slippery slope of assigning values to people....which we're not suppsed to do in the US because we are not supposed to be that kind of nation.
    There are Third World countries where many people live in poverty, but live with dignity also....in industrialized countries, we have ghettos and welfare checks. I've lived in those places and didn't like it at all. I don't think people are encouraged to be better humans when you bribe them to do anything.
    I feel that restrictive laws are the answer- I could discuss this all day. I've seen situations of child abuse that would make you cry. In general, the average unfit parent won't improve unless under threat of penalty. On the other hand, a good society has to have a level of compassion, and be willing to let a person decide whether they want parental rights or not.
    That's my moderate answer- my usual feelings on the topic are strong- I just don't have the energy to go on and on about it...too sad.....

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    Rhi...the parents of the children in that website you have in your signature should be burned at the stake until they can hardly stand it...then let to heal and then start all over again.

    I cannot believe some of the things I read in this site...and that poor Justina Morales...OMG...How can a mother do this? I look at my little girl and know that should anyone try to hurt her they will suffer the most horrendous death ever. I love and appreciate my life more than ever.

    Some people make the choice by their lack of humanity. It's that simple.

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    No I would not what would be next kill the poor or handicap?
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    In theory, yes, but...no. It's too easy for it to be a slippery slope, with people in financial crises doing it and then regretting it, abusive husbands forcing their wives to do it etc. And where is the line drawn? Should handicapped people or people woth degenerative/genetic diseases be pressured to have the procedure?

    It just comes way to close to being damn wrong, even though I think in simple theory it's right.

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    No, but eradicating people who have nothing better to do than kill their children, rape people...they should be sterilized without compensation...

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    Default Re: Would you be in favor of this law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    Whirlerz's story about the little girl near her place got me thinking...

    There are a lot of people who shouldn't have kids in this world...I think we can probably all agree on that.

    Would you be ok with a law that paid people to be sterilized? Maybe, say....$2000? Plus the surgery would be covered. Or better yet, have a means test tied to it...the more money you make, the less money you get for being sterilized. If you're making over 100K/year, you might only get 50 bucks or so.

    Any thoughts?
    Given there are a lot of people hounded by laws already existing about what they can and cannot do with their bodies on this web site, I would say this just about tops them all.

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    Whoa, Deogol, it has to be put in proper context. Stripping is just controversial, but the welfare of children is one of the most important things in the world. Abused children grow up to be damaged adults or abusers themselves.
    Some people do not deserve to have kids. A man in one of my college classes pointed out that a person needs a license to own a dog, but anyone can have a kid.....

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    Default Re: Would you be in favor of this law?

    keep in mind that this would be voluntary. The govt would not be making anyone get sterilized, just using societel resources to encourage certain people to do it.

    I'd look at it like this...if you're willing to give up your ability to reproduce for a mere grand or two, then you're probably not the type of person who should be a parent anyway.

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    Sterilisation is not an option. For those people who rape, abuse, murder children, the only possible penalty should be death. not next year, not death row, not on appeal. Death. immediately.

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    Yes, definitely...which makes it beside the point, because you can't sterilize dead people.

    Sterilization of rapists...if convicted on firm evidence, then yeah.

    But i still think the concept of it being 'voluntary' for cash has too much room for abuse.

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    Too much room for error.
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    I agree with the basic concept, but since it's voluntary - people who would be sterilized anyway simply will get paid for it.

    Humans, in their ever-idiotic way, will eventually slipperyslope a law like that so the socially unacceptable (most of us are socially unacceptable to someone) will be "encouraged" to do it.

    I much prefer real deterrent punishment (like never being let out of a dark 6x9 windowless cell) for those who commit these crimes.

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    No.

    The idea may be somewhat understandable but the implementation is way way wrong.

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