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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    First of all Thorn, you need to tone down the attitude a bit. Second, you are incorrect in your assumptions which is why people aren't taking your opinions as being very valid. Hustling isn't lying or using subterfuge as you put it, it's selling. Plain and simple and any good salesperson doesn't rely on lying or subterfuge as you are claiming dancers on here are eluding to.
    DW, this is a two dimensional medium. If you, or others, are reading "attitude" into my posts I can only assure you that what I am attempting to be is plain spoken. I have no desire to express 'attitidue'.

    Now, on the subject of hustling. I agree there is a conceptual theory where "hustling" means putting yourself out there in your best light. Maximizing yield to potential client ratios by making the good sales pitch. Well, who said anything that I wrote disagrees with any of that? What you aren't taking into account is the practical concept of hustling as being presented on these very pages. I know what I am reading.

    Information between seller and buyer, whether on purpose or by accident, is being passed through a filter so that what comes out the other end is a sales pitch that allows the end client to presume he is going to get something he isn't. Is this what you teach your students? Do you teach them to use weasel words and deceptive practices, or do you teach them to be upfront about what they offer? If a potential client asks direct questions, do you instruct them to, as much as possible, give direct answers, or do you teach them to say whatever is necessary to get the client into the VIP knowing that it may very well cause a tense situation in its aftermath when the client leaves unsatisfied?

    All I am stating is that there is a way to get the right dancers with the right clients so that everyone is happy and it all begins with the dancer's sales pitch.

    If that is out of line then the whole concept of strip-clubs is out of line because its a pig-in-a-polk. It doesn't have to be that way.

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    Good lord dude, do ya have to quote and reply to every person in the thread? Gets kinda redundant after a while and people start skipping posts with your name on them after a while...

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    Understandable, but I was attempting to be polite.

    You know, some one takes time to write a post so you take time to respond. Though I can see what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Brittany, all I can say [and I say it politely] is that you have no concept of marketing. Companies spend millions to do market research because they know that their customers are the best source of information on how to sell them the product the company is trying to sell.

    Since you don't want to listen to the very people who are the best source of information on how to sell your product, all I can do is wish you luck.
    Uh...Whatever...I've been dancing for well over ten years now, been very successful and have been employed by some of the nation's top clubs. I *think* I know how to do my job, and that I don't have to rely on having regulars and making sure that EVERY single customer leaves "happy". No dancer who looks reasonably attractive who works in a high volume club needs to worry about developing regulars if she can hustle. PERIOD. So please stop trying to tell dancers that they must develop regulars, and make perfectly sure before hand what the dance will and won't entail...cause they don't. If the customer expects anything outside the boundaries of the law, and is upset that he doesn't get it, I see the problem lies with him and not with me.
    And customers like you aren't my best source of info on how to sell my product. I generally don't like the kind of customers who want me to sit with them while they attempt to spend their money as slowly as they can, or get me to do as much during a dance as they can. And me spending time telling each guy exactly what I will do during my dance is a waste of time...and time is money. In the song I've wasted telling a guy exactly what's going to happen during his table dance (in order to make sure he's happy and doesn't feel ripped off because I wouldn't break any laws), I could have been making another $20 of some other guy.
    See? This is why I get so sick of customers trying to tell dancers how to do their job. Essentially you know nothing of strip club dynamics. It's very different to work in one than it is to just go to one (or work in one as a manager or bouncer). And the strip club is also one of the only businesses around where, for a variety of different reasons, the customer ISN'T always right.
    And I never stated in my post that you were implying that girls should get guys off, but that no dancer needs to be overly concerned with meeting a customers expectations so to speak. Trying to meet customers expectations might make you money, yes, but getting off your ass and hustling the floor, asking for dances, will make you at least just as much, and you won't have to worry about "pleasing" anyone for it.
    And exactly how is hustling lying Mr know-it-all? This is a primary example of how you customers have no real knowledge of what it takes to be a success as a stripper. ....Hustling....I walk up to a customer, introduce myself, and ask him if he'd like a dance for that song or the next song...he says yes, I begin to make my money. Where's the lie? And this approach keeps me from getting stuck with some guy who wants to get off, get high contact, or any other illegal activities that could get me busted.
    And BTW, most customers are happy with my dance, even though I hustle. Surprisingly, there are a lot of guys out there who still want entertainment, not a lot of chit chat, and to see a beautiful woman in front of them take her clothes off. Lucky for us, most strip club customers aren't like the type of guys that one meets on internet forums, who have nothing else to do but talk about strippers, how much they think they know about the business, and how they can get more action for less money in strip clubs.

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    Thorn, just making an observation. You've been on a posting rampage the last day or so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Thorn, just making an observation. You've been on a posting rampage the last day or so...
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    Obviously the deliberate misleading of customers is bad ethics, and bad business. That being said, I think a clarification might be in order.

    Those forums dedicated to guys telling each other what to expect from which dancers are generally for a very select, if sometimes fanatical, group of customers.

    All too often what you will see is little better than braggadocio and bathroom wall style literary fare, including a high proportion of out-and-out lies and slander. Many of the dancers here on SW have reported reading about how they performed all kinds of imaginary sexual services for some of these guys. On some of them, anyone can claim to be anyone else, and say anything about anyone else, without need to register their name, or prove their claims of conquest.

    On some of them, elaborate scoring systems and ratings are tabulated about what level of sexual services can be obtained from what clubs or dancers. Needless to say, a guy who is looking for a girl who will go up to #17, or whatever, is not going to be the kind of customer a clean dancer wants to have anything to do with, whatsoever.

    Those who are familiar with these forums, and the consequences of ignoring them entirely, won't need to hear this, but for the benefit of Silky, or any other curious newbies out there, relax...

    Worrying about what people might say or think about you on these forums is a waste of time.

    The average customer doesn't bother with forums like these, he just goes to the club he likes and gets dances from women he likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Thankfully most customers still have better things to do with their time than sit online half a day checking who's doing the cheapest BJ where or who doesn't.
    Well, I don't know about half a day (I have to work too, you know), but when I think of the money I've saved over the last 2-3 years over the money I used to spend back when I first started...it is/was well worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    There are more boards where guys are sharing info on clubs then you can shake any two sticks at. If you pissed off a couple of guys by giving them the impression that they have been lied to and you notice a sudden drop off in clients buying dances from you, you can be certain that it is because these guys had internet savvy and have been bad mouthing you in the online backrooms and e-mail chains.
    I personally hate "alert" posts of any kind especially ones where a dancer lies to a guy and makes empty promises...that's just part of the "game". Customers who let themselves fall into that trap need to get their own head examined.

    If a customer is going to alert other customers, do it because a dancer actually ripped them off...i.e. stripper tells a customer she'll go home with him but wants the money upfront, takes the money, and then disappears out the back (not only is that an alert, it's a lesson learned for the customer: DON'T PAY FIRST!), or strippers and/or waitresses that "pad" a tab adding more dances or drinks than were really bought.

    I don't think Silky did any of that so I don't think she really needs to worry about that sort of thing.

    By the way, a "court"...don't know that I've ever heard that term before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Hustle keeps coming off here, as used by any number of dancers, as a different way to say 'lying' or subterfuge. That is never a good way to promote anything over the long haul. All I am, and have ever been, suggesting is to find a way to sell your services that accurately portrays exactly what you have to offer abd makes no promises you don't intend to keep. Soem guys want extras, some guys want a fantasy. Just be upfront about which it is you provide and you will greatly deminish any difficulties you have with clients pushing limits or feeling cheated and potentially causing trouble.
    Thorn, here is a recent thread that might be of interest. We had a custy come in who stated a partiular dancer gave him some "good mileage" private dances and asked if it would be worth it to take up her offer to upgrade to a session in VIP. Notice the pattern of the responses. Pretty much every dancer gave him an abstract yes, pretty much every customer told him to do some cost-benefit analysis first. This seems to exemplify the crux of what you're bringing up here.

    I suppose we could get into some long drawn out discussion over subjective interpretations of what is a "better" service, or implicit dishonesty, but I think the fact remains that dancers are salespeople. I kind of expect them to tout the positives (and only the positives) of their premium service, just like I expect any other salesperson to steer me to whatever product/service is going to generate them the best profit margin, make me buy the extended warranty, yada, yada, yada.

    I don't expect a dancer to read my mind. Yes, hearing that tired sales pitch about how much better the CR/VIP is gets tiring, but its my responsibility to determine whether an hour in the CR sipping overpriced bubbly would be a better value to me than a string of plain old lap dances of equal value. When they find out that the VIP room is of no interest to the customer, most dancers I've met are more than happy to sell the dances. Beats making no sale at all by a long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    Uh...Whatever...I've been dancing for well over ten years now, been very successful and have been employed by some of the nation's top clubs. I *think* I know how to do my job, and that I don't have to rely on having regulars and making sure that EVERY single customer leaves "happy". No dancer who looks reasonably attractive who works in a high volume club needs to worry about developing regulars if she can hustle. PERIOD.
    But you see, that is exactly my point. What I was commenting on was that your statement seemed to indicate you were speaking for ALL dancers. When you narrow the perspective to dancers who work only in high volume clubs then you may very well have a point. However, what might you think is the percentage of dancers that work only in high volume clubs? I can tell you that it is very small. There are only but so many high end clubs in markets that can produce the kind of volume and turn over you reference.

    The majority of dancers work in smaller clubs, outside the bigger cities, with static pools of cliental. In these clubs regulars are the key to generating higher revenue. So my comments were geared to the MAJORITY of dancers. Not the minority that work only in the high end, high volume, clubs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    ... and make perfectly sure before hand what the dance will and won't entail...cause they don't. If the customer expects anything outside the boundaries of the law, and is upset that he doesn't get it, I see the problem lies with him and not with me.
    Yes, the problem may very well be with him. But what I am saying isn't that there is a problem that resides with the dancers. What I am saying is that this client exists. You can't change that and you are going to have to cope with his presence in the club. What I am suggesting is a method to deal with him that identifies him in a hurry and lets you get past him, should that be what you wish, and maximize your potential profit. There is a way to adjust your sales pitch so that it targets, readily, those people who are interested in exactly the kind of dance you are selling. Key words, tell tale body language. It's not new science, it has existed for ages. Sales people have been using them for years. The best sales people use it successfully to engage and hold the interest of buyers they want while quickly weeding through time wasters or those interested in related services but ones not sold by YOU, the specific seller at this point in time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    And customers like you aren't my best source of info on how to sell my product. I generally don't like the kind of customers who want me to sit with them while they attempt to spend their money as slowly as they can, or get me to do as much during a dance as they can. And me spending time telling each guy exactly what I will do during my dance is a waste of time...and time is money. In the song I've wasted telling a guy exactly what's going to happen during his table dance (in order to make sure he's happy and doesn't feel ripped off because I wouldn't break any laws), I could have been making another $20 of some other guy.
    See? .
    You see, you have me all wrong. I don't want dancers to sit for ages with me.

    I don't go to any club on a regular basis. I am not a regular at any club. I go to dozens of clubs and use the exact same techniques I am suggesting to you, in reverse. I easily find the exact dancers I am looking for who will provide me with precisely the kind of dance I feel like having at that point in time [and my tastes run from frisky and friendly, sensual and seductive, playful and teasing, and only occassionally, extras. Candidly, if sex with a dancer is the objective I'd rather it be off campus then in the club.]

    The strategy is simply a method used for like people to find each other. The quicker they can do that the better it is for both of them. The right dancer to the right customer. That is all I am talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Thorn, just making an observation. You've been on a posting rampage the last day or so...
    Yep. Its been a great time killer.

    No, seriously, my work goes in fits and starts. This time of year is very busy for me and I appreciate the break the board gives me to divert my attention to something other then my business. It's not without its theraputic qualties and for that I am appreciative.

    I do wish folks didn't misread my plain speaking manner as caustic though. I'm not trying to tinkle on anyones parade. I'm just trying to cut through to the meat of the particular issue.

    And to Djoser, you are absolutely correct about such back channel and e-mail chains years ago. But when S-C's went main stream so did the type of person that winds up on these boards. The info being shared on them isn't always about who is giving what extras in which clubs. Though I will admit there is enough of that happening to indicate that a large percentage of at least the internet savvy S-C customers want and seek out extras. But there are many individuals looking for many different things. They seek out, and find, that info there as well. Things like where are the best looking dancers? Where are the best places to take a female friend? What places serve decent food? [you'd be surprised how often that comes up... its usually businessmen looking for places that they can do lunch business in] Etc, and so forth.

    The point is, customers of all products are using the web as their personal "Consumer Reports". Why should patrons of strip-clubs be any different? And the answer is, more and more often they aren't [any different that is].
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed
    Well, I don't know about half a day (I have to work too, you know), but when I think of the money I've saved over the last 2-3 years over the money I used to spend back when I first started...it is/was well worth it.
    Yet, there is the whole issue of opportunity cost. What you COULD have been doing instead of spending all that time researching who gives the cheapest BJ - using the time to earn more money, perhaps. And I have to seriously question the real money saved. From what I've read from most raincoaters, they spend a fair amount of time/money in the "chase" before the "score", so in the end, what did that $60 bbbj really cost?

    By the way, a "court"...don't know that I've ever heard that term before.
    Another term for a CR session. Since many CRs are semi-private lounges, or "champagne courts", many people refer to the session as a "court". Seems to be more of an east coast thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    I suppose we could get into some long drawn out discussion over subjective interpretations of what is a "better" service, or implicit dishonesty, but I think the fact remains that dancers are salespeople. I kind of expect them to tout the positives (and only the positives) of their premium service, just like I expect any other salesperson to steer me to whatever product/service is going to generate them the best profit margin, make me buy the extended warranty, yada, yada, yada.
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    Thanks for pointing out the thread.

    The only thing I would have liked to generate isn't a long drawn out ethics thread, or a discussion on what is better service, but rather a discussion on how dancers can be better sales persons and reduce the drag on themselves and their cliental by using better sales technique.

    The dancer benefits because she finds herself being more productive, enhancing her customer to profit ratios, and making more money. The customer benefits because he gets exactly the kind of dance he was looking for because the dancer has been able to size him up and has either 1) moved on, 2) referred him to someone else more his speed, 3) identified him as someone who fits her particular customer profile and then used her targeted sales approach to reel him in.

    Everyone wins. How can that be wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    I am NOT telling you how to conduct your business. NO DANCER IS UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO. [sorry, but I don't want anyone misunderstanding my intent here]

    What I am doing is correcting a misconception.

    Apparently you are not privy to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lines of text that fly back and forth between the guys on boards like this, devoted to our sharing of info on the S-C scene.
    Fucking whatever. I read aspd and am a member there. I actually have customers that come meet me from there. They still represent like 3% of my client base. The day I give a fuck about what you dumbasses say about me on internet message boards is...well cold day in hell seems appropriate...

    Thank dog that I don't keep regulars and that I travel around various clubs to work. No one knows me well enough to need to trash me online....

    What's the point of this thread????

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    What's the point indeed. It certainly wasn't to have one member quoting and responding at GREAT LENGTH to every person who's typed here. At least I don't think. Kinda getting things off track I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Yet, there is the whole issue of opportunity cost. What you COULD have been doing instead of spending all that time researching who gives the cheapest BJ - using the time to earn more money, perhaps.
    Well, my salary has gone up 20% in 2004 on one raise and two promotions with raises so that has to count for something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    And I have to seriously question the real money saved. From what I've read from most raincoaters, they spend a fair amount of time/money in the "chase" before the "score", so in the end, what did that $60 bbbj really cost?
    There are several different ways to answer that, of course, and I guess I could go ahead and answer it even though the point of this thread has gone away from its original intent.

    In many ways, it depends on where you are. In Houston, for example, the price is what it is because you can pretty much tell the dancer as soon as you meet her what it is you want, negotiate, and do it. That's the way things are mainly done although I do agree that I sometimes question some reviewers on what they ACTUALLY pay in total in terms of alcohol, cover charge, tips, etc. Pretty much as soon as you walk into a Houston club at night, you're already down $20. It usually cost $8 to get into the club, and usually $7.50 + tip to the waitress for just a standard beer (and in some places even the bottled water is $7.50!) I knew one guy who would boast about the cheap extras he would get on a any given night, but in reality he would spend almost $1000 per night on alcohol. He enjoyed drinking, and he made sure that the people around him were drinking as well. In my opinion, he didn't spend just $60 for a cheap BJ, he spent way more than that on her and her friends and his friends, etc...

    Another thing to consider when it comes to these websites is simple networking and who you know. A couple of examples here in Austin and one in Houston. Back in June of 2003, I was in Houston at a party, and the after party was at Treasures. I was hanging out with a fairly large group of like-minded guys, and this one very pretty petite black dancer came over having recognized one of the guys with us. They stepped aside and after a few minutes he came back and announced that she would fuck any of us for $100. That, in effect, was the "real" cost. She found the right group of guys, though, and walked off with a good deal of money that particular night.

    In Austin, it's the same thing in terms of networking. One friend of mine went from first meeting to BJ's in the club with one dancer within three weeks. I'm not sure how much he spent, but knowing him there's no way he spent more than $60 or $80 before he finally got that BJ. Another friend of mine approached her, went home with her, and told her to take care of me whenever she saw me. That lead to my association with her. Other than what I was paying for her services, there was no additional cost for me. Incidentally that particular dancer was caught and fired which was unfortunate. She was so fun and so...open-minded. We searched in every other club for her but never did find her.

    As for my own "projects", there is a little bit of introductory money that is spent on my part, but Bridgette, I've completely changed my approach on how much money I spend. Remember, when you worked here I was still a non-extras guy and still willing to pay $200-$300+ for just dances. These days, I can easily get away with spending only $60-80 for multiple hours with a dancer in the club, and then make my pitch for "privates" at my place for much more money and more activities. And even then I can still drive the price down even further. My last OTC encounter cost me $200 and lasted four hours!! I have to admit, that was a friggin' steal! I'm not even sure if I could repeat that, though. Maybe she just liked me. I'm SUCH a nice guy.

    Every whoremonger has their own approach. Mine doesn't quite involve as much money as you might think, and I used to enjoy the good word that would be put in for me (used to because I've pretty much taken myself out of the game for now). Besides, once the extras and/or privates start and that's what you're primarily paying for, it all makes up for the "work" that was involved in getting to that point. That's what makes it worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Another term for a CR session. Since many CRs are semi-private lounges, or "champagne courts", many people refer to the session as a "court". Seems to be more of an east coast thing.
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    Why must you do your whore mongering in the strip clubs aggie? Why not just go to the lingerie modelling place or call up an escort?
    I really wish all you guys would stop trying to talk dancers into being prostitutes, and just call up someone who already was....
    Oh, and I'd wager it'd save you more money in the long run....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed
    These days, I can easily get away with spending only $60-80 for multiple hours with a dancer in the club, and then make my pitch for "privates" at my place for much more money and more activities.
    Can I just say, that is one horrendously stoooooooopid dancer
    I reckon I can't hold it against you, but you are aware this is waaaaaaay cheap and IMO taking serious advantage of whatever is the situation with the girl, yes? There is no way in hell I'd spend multiple hours with a guy for that kind of money, give the pussy away OTC for cheap - and for damn sure not both. Again: stoooooooopid dancer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    Why must you do your whore mongering in the strip clubs aggie? Why not just go to the lingerie modelling place or call up an escort?
    I'm a picky MFer when it comes to physical beauty (which is usually all I care about)...kinda funny and hypocritical considering that I'm definitely nothing to look at...but if I want a really hot escort in Austin (i.e. dancer quality), I would have to pay $260-$350+ per hour. Dancers are cheaper per hour in my experience (mainly because they don't know any better). Personally, in the long run, I think I'm saving money by NOT seeing escorts here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Can I just say, that is one horrendously stoooooooopid dancer.
    And extremely lazy. Both are not difficult to find in my second home...you know that. And as I said once on another board, a dancer has every right to get up and leave if she feels she's not making any money off of me. I'm not going to force ANYBODY to do anything they don't want. Am I taking advantage of a girl that sticks with me at such cheap rates? Yeah, I guess, but I lost my conscience in this scene a long time ago.
    I'm a simple man, making my way through the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    What's the point indeed. It certainly wasn't to have one member quoting and responding at GREAT LENGTH to every person who's typed here. At least I don't think. Kinda getting things off track I think.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

    Karma to the people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    I really wish all you guys would stop trying to talk dancers into being prostitutes...
    But you see, that is your first error in critical thinking.

    No one can talk a dancer into doing anything she wasn't already inclined to do.

    In fact, no one can talk anyone into doing anything they weren't already inclined to do.
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    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

    Karma to the people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Again: stoooooooopid dancer
    Why? Because you disagree?

    That isn't fair.

    She sellected her product line, decided how to sell it and for what price, and does so in a competative enviorment to what ever level of success she achieves.

    The market decides. What you are angry about, in the final analysis, is that someone has entered your market area with what might be a better product that will find higher demand. Thus pushing what you have to sell off the shelf.

    Now, I don't blame you at all for not liking that. Not in the least little bit. And I don't blame you at all for complaining that the dancer selling extras isn't playing fair. But what I can blame you for is not understanding how your market works. Sex work is sex work is sex work. That is how the vast majority of people see it. The fact that you make a distinction between stripping and hooking doesn't carry any weight at all with the majority of people who see the whole thing as "sex work". [I even agree with your side of it, but if you don't know that folks in general don't make such distinctions you are in for a very rude awakening]

    You have to start understanding you have to work around it to make your money. There are clients that want specifically what you have to sell, but you only waste your time if you try to muscle aside how the market works by howling about dancers and customers who sell and purchase extras.

    The only way to make it stop is to get the powers that be to apply pressure, but you run into that problem again that the powers that be don't see what you do as any different from what they are doing. So if you call down the heat its going to get hot for everyone, not just the dancers doing extras.

    You have to learn to work around it.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

    Karma to the people!

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    This thread is wandering off the topic massively here and posts have already been deleted. If this continues, this thread will be locked soon. Just an FYI to all who are participating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed
    Am I taking advantage of a girl that sticks with me at such cheap rates? Yeah, I guess, but I lost my conscience in this scene a long time ago.
    I always liked a guy who's honest and can own up to his actions. Very refreshing. I think certain other raincoaters who won't be mentioned (yet everyone knows who I'm talking about ) could take a few lessons from you. Heh.

    But I gotta ask, what triggered your loss of conscience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn
    Why? Because you disagree?

    That isn't fair.

    She sellected her product line, decided how to sell it and for what price, and does so in a competative enviorment to what ever level of success she achieves.

    The market decides. What you are angry about, in the final analysis, is that someone has entered your market area with what might be a better product that will find higher demand. Thus pushing what you have to sell off the shelf.

    [i]blah blah blah



    blah blah --- blah blah

    .......

    No dear. Try again. Even aggieed, who posted the example I was talking about, freely admitted stupid dancers run rampant in his fave club, and that he takes advantage of such girls. I am not angry. I couldn't care less if they choose that path. I sometimes feel a little sorry for them though, knowing they really don't know how to not only make MORE money, but without having to deal with so much....

    But I don't sweat it much. I go to work in a good mood with my A game on, and I make great money. I'm one of the best moneymakers in the club and I do it on MY terms. Nah, I don't think I've been pushed off the shelf yet LOL


    Btw, thanks so much for coming into what WAS a rather civil discussion and stirring up sh*t. bleh

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