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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    Commandments 1 and 5?
    1 was that there is only one god.
    Wasn't 5 honor your mother and father?

    (Not being bitchy, honest question)
    Not taken as bitchy at all.

    I just randomly went with 1 and 5,it could be 3 and 10.

    The point is,its like telling a catholic to only belive and follow certain points of their religion and not all of it.

    If you have a catholic that only follows 5 out of 10 commandments,would you call him a "good"catholic??

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    If you have a catholic that only follows 5 out of 10 commandments,would you call him a "good"catholic??
    If that person was in fact a good person who lived honestly and loved well then yes they would be a good catholic.

    Religion doesnt make a person good or bad- the persons behavior in the world does
    Ummmm...maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that the Koran was written as a "peace" book. That the interpretation by those generals was for the effect you are going for. I'll have to do more research...but, just like the war-mongers think that eye-for-and-eye means to kill everyone who wrongs you...it's all in the interpretation.

    I'm gonna go research the history, et al. of the Koran. I'll be back later.
    Exactly V.G Like I said before it the way people use and abuse religions that is the problem- not the religions themselves.

    The Koran, the Bible , the teaching of Buddha all have the same basic principles- people who want to teach hate ( an effective way to control anothers mind) twist things or take them out of context.

    V.G also got it right when she said : That the interpretation by those generals was for the effect you are going for-- as well as : the war-mongers think that eye-for-and-eye means to kill everyone who wrongs you...it's all in the interpretation

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    No other "teachings" like the koran says point blank,without a doubt,to kill all those that wont convert.

    wont find mention like that in the bible,and i dont think budda said it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    No other "teachings" like the koran says point blank,without a doubt,to kill all those that wont convert.

    wont find mention like that in the bible,and i dont think budda said it either.
    Where in the Koran does it say this? I've been looking everywhere (I even have a free Koran being mailed to me) and I have not found this ANYWHERE. Where are you getting this information? Facts, only, please...links, if possible.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Where in the Koran does it say this? I've been looking everywhere (I even have a free Koran being mailed to me) and I have not found this ANYWHERE. Where are you getting this information? Facts, only, please...links, if possible.

    Thanks.
    well to be honest,i dont happen to have a koran in my house that i can grab,and none of the neighbors are musilims.
    Its been almost 10 years since i read it,so i cant quote the exact page.

    Wont a musilim come to my rescue and tell these ladies i speak the truth???

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    I've read the book , have you ? Your comments say you havent- and if you have I dont think you understood it.... but whatever-- In the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter to me if you read/understood it or not.

    Wont a musilim come to my rescue and tell these ladies i speak the truth???
    We used to have a member who was raised Muslim oer had Muslim family- Rayanna. She spoke about this in depth somewhere as I remember. But anway all I am saying is I think V.G is right on in her posts above and for now I think I'm just gonna leave it at that.

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    I've read the Koran. I've read the bible. Neither is focused on evil. Both are often used to justify evil.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    I've read the Koran. I've read the bible. Neither is focused on evil. Both are often used to justify evil.
    I sooooooo agree,and non are more guilty then those that follow the bible.

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    Are you talking about jihad, aka holy war to convert non-believers? That is mentioned in the Koran.

    Let's also not forget the Crusades and the Inquisition.....

    Although I am not technically jewish (only dad) I like how the Jewish religion doesn't proslythize. You have to work hard to be one of god's chosen people, lol!

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    btw its Qu'ran.
    My spelling is contagiouse.
    Quran 9:5 When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war

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    thats from Surah 9

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    "Sweety?" She's asked you to stop that. What is the justification for the blatant disrespect? Some petty "you can't make me stop" mentality?

    On to the topic of the thread - sort of.

    Yes, there is a passage in the Quran about killing idolators. The same passage also says if they repent, then take them in. If an idolator asks for shelter, take them in and be kind, for they do not understand. Something like that.

    There's conflicting things in the Quran, no doubt. The Bible, of course, is free from that nonsense. It gleefully talks about the destruction of cities, the killing of babies, and such in the pursuit of the worship of Allah ... err, I mean Yahweh.

    "The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent. Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

    "He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

    "Praise ye the Lord..... who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both man and beast."

    And so on. Nice stuff, inspirational to us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    "Sweety?" .
    I shall heed your warnings.

    It is true that the one who strikes back always draws the penalty flag.

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    Have any of you who are so intolerant of religion stopped to ask yourself how much violence religion actually prevents? You're crazy if you think violence would decline without the threat of eternal reward/damnation. Or how much good is worked world-wide in the name of religion? The good far outweighs the bad, only problem is news consumers in America don't want to hear about the good.

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    Wars are generally economically driven, "economics" including increased influence. In our history, Revolutionary, 1812, Civil War, Spanish-American, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq - all economically driven. Even most religious wars often have an economic component, such as many of the Crusades and jihads.

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    Anyone care to comment on the fact that the Koran was written by generals trying to rally the people against the horde and cruesades??
    I would. It's not fact.

    Mohammed began to build the framework for Islamic belief in the early 7th century AD. The earliest known Koran manuscript from the best of my knowledge was dated to 750 AD. The first crusade, the peasant crusade, occurred roughly 1096 AD.

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    Prepare yourself, VG, the Koran is mind numbingly boring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daddyforhire
    You're crazy if you think violence would decline without the threat of eternal reward/damnation.
    Not all religions have that concept, Buddist nations seem to do just fine (Nirvana doesn't count, as it's not a place to their thinking).

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    I'm aware of that. Those numbers pale in comparison to religions that do offer a reward system upon death whether it be a heavenly afterlife or a karma/reincarnation system. And there are versions of Buddhism that have an afterlife or heaven if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Anyone care to comment on the fact that the Koran was written by generals trying to rally the people against the horde and cruesades??
    Anyone care to comment on the fact that the Koran teaches its followers to kill all non belivers,even wait in abush if need be.(terroristic gorilla warfare)

    Telling someone who follows the Koran NOT to kill non belivers is like telling someone who follows the Bible NOT to follow commandments #1 and #5.

    People think this is all about oil.I say its the same war thats been faught for the last 2000 years.
    The Koran was written towards the end of the seventh century, though the exact timing is still in dispute, thanks to the discovery of fragments of a prototypical version in Yemen, which is having the same impact as the Dead Sea Scrolls did amongst Biblical scholars. See this link for a popularized version of recent findings:

    http://www.wsfi.net/Documents/WHAT%2...Y%20LESTER.HTM

    This was 400 years before the Crusades, and about 500 years before Ghenghis Khan.

    Incredible brutality, suffering, and loss of life has been inflicted upon millions of people in the name of Jesus Christ. The Inquisition was far worse than what we are seeing today in the Islamic world. The much vaunted motivation of the Puritans, to seek religious freedom in the New World, was borne out in their extreme intolerance of any variation from their strict dogmatic approach--perhaps most clearly evident in their execution of 'witches'.

    Though present day Moslem fanatics may be more violent than Christian fanatics, there is no inherent superiority in the latters' moral foundation.

    For several hundred years, while Christian fanatics were burning all ancient literature, since it was the Devil's work, the Moslem world preserved a great number of Classical texts, helping to make the Renaissance possible, and Western Civilization as we know it.
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    Djoser, thanks for the link. Great reading.

    Incredible brutality is not the province of religion per se - it is the province of humanity. When you look at the way we've treated each other over the years, it's truly horrendous - religion is just one of the justifications.

    I personally feel that if there is a Christian belief structure that is the One Truth, then the Inquisitors, Falwells, and Cotton Mathers of the world will find a special place in hell just for them.

    But look at it another way. How many people have been enslaved, tortured, brutalized, neglected, and slaughtered all for the sake of money? And yet none of us have any problem believing in and subscribing to money.

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    We can't blame ourselves for blaming the Muslims for all their evils. After all, what did the Western World ever do to them?


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    "But look at it another way. How many people have been enslaved, tortured, brutalized, neglected, and slaughtered all for the sake of money? "

    Exactly. Or, how many people have been killed for the sake of the secular?

    The often cited Inquisition is nothing compared to the atrocities committed by godless dogs like Mao Zedong and Stalin.

    And this:
    The Inquisition was far worse than what we are seeing today in the Islamic world.
    is preposterous. Depending upon what historian you believe, September 11 2001 alone equaled almost 1/3 of the entire Inquisition body count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Anyone care to comment on the fact that the Koran was written by generals trying to rally the people against the horde and cruesades??
    Anyone care to comment on the fact that the Koran teaches its followers to kill all non belivers,even wait in abush if need be.(terroristic gorilla warfare)

    Telling someone who follows the Koran NOT to kill non belivers is like telling someone who follows the Bible NOT to follow commandments #1 and #5.

    People think this is all about oil.I say its the same war thats been faught for the last 2000 years.
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    This is simply NOT true! The Crusades were a future wet dream on the part of the Popes when the Koran was written. In fact, the Crusades were significantly AFTER the writing of the Koran and the expansion of Islam.

    It is also ABSOLUTELY FALSE that the Koran teaches its followers to kill all non believers. The truth of the matter here, is that the Christians were treated far better in Islamic Spain and in the Ottoman Empire than the Moslems were EVER treated by the Christians. By and large, the Koran spoke of the "People of the Book". By this, they meant Christians, Jews and Moslems. The People of the Book were given a significant latitude to hold their own beliefs. The pagans, on the other hand, had it much more difficult under Islam. Of course, if I were a betting man, I would wager that the Christians killed far more pagans than did Islam.

    Also, if one is to compare the violence of the Koran with the Bible, I would suggest reading about the Hebrews after their escape from Egypt. They were exhorted to kill every man, woman and child in Palestine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddyforhire
    And this: is preposterous. Depending upon what historian you believe, September 11 2001 alone equaled almost 1/3 of the entire Inquisition body count.
    Um, the estimations of the death toll for the Inquisition are between 600,000 and as high as 9,000,000.



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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    We can't blame ourselves for blaming the Muslims for all their evils. After all, what did the Western World ever do to them?


    Hmmm, I remember now.
    Ah, maybe you need to list those things out.

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