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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger
    I am agnostic- I believe in a creator and I DESPISE organized religion of any kind and have many reasons.
    Okay, nitpicking here, but if you believe in a creator you are not agnostic.

    Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
    Pronunciation: ag-'näs-tik, &g-
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known, from gignOskein to know -- more at
    : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god (lesser)
    - ag·nos·ti·cism


    If you believe in a creator you are a theist.

    Main Entry: the·ism
    Pronunciation: 'thE-"i-z&m
    Function: noun
    : belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of man and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world
    - the·ist /-ist/ noun or adjective
    - the·is·tic /thE-'is-tik/ also the·is·ti·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective
    - the·is·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

    (I made the red parts bold and underlined it, for effect)

    IMO, there are two kinds of Agnostics. True blues and shame faced Atheists. True blues are like "I dunno, and i doubt i ever will." Shame faced Atheists that call themselves Agnostic's say "I'm waiting for more proof." As if, out of all those people asking for the same thing were somehow less deserving.

    Gyn, a lot of those 'Atheists' you met were probably Agnostic. Myself saying i'm Agnostic is like me saying "I don't know shit about God."

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    Yea, but it's hard to decide whether the old maxim "if there wasn't a God, we would have had to invent one" is true or, instead, organized religion has been the bane of our existence. In other words, on one hand, the basic principles inherent in almost all organized religions are pretty much what most of us would be teaching our children anyway, and the entire belief structure CAN be a very stabilizing influence on society... on the other hand, even the most cursory review of history clearly reveals the destructive power of religious beliefs taken too far - war after war after war has been fought in the name of, or at the behest of one religion or another.
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    the basic principles inherent in almost all organized religions are pretty much what most of us would be teaching our children anyway
    Iwould like too think so.I don't know why people can not just follow the ten commandments the best to their ability.I'm not religious at all,but have morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonicBones
    Iwould like too think so.I don't know why people can not just follow the ten commandments the best to their ability.I'm not religious at all,but have morals.
    Why? The first four have nothing to do with the real world! They are all spiritual in nature. 'Following the ten commandments' means being Judeo/Christian.

    Following the last six makes for a stabler village, but the first four are useless if you don't believe YHWH is the only true god (or, occasionally, that Jesus is his son).

    Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
    Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
    Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
    Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Above is 1-5, below is the useful stuff...

    Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
    Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
    Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
    Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

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    Why? The first four have nothing to do with the real world! They are all spiritual in nature. 'Following the ten commandments' means being Judeo/Christian.
    Well your right on that one Madcap I was raised catholic and it's still imprinted in me I guess.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Why? The first four have nothing to do with the real world! They are all spiritual in nature. 'Following the ten commandments' means being Judeo/Christian.
    Not exactly - had to do a paper in college on this very subject, and what you'll find if you examine virtually any organized religious belief structure is that the "Ten Commandments," although worded somewhat differently, are virtually universal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Not exactly - had to do a paper in college on this very subject, and what you'll find if you examine virtually any organized religious belief structure is that the "Ten Commandments," although worded somewhat differently, are virtually universal.
    Really? So believing that YHWH is the one God is universal? I mean, the first commandment is more of a statement than an order. The Sabbath is universal (oh, is it Saturday or Sunday)? What about graven images?

    Sorry but i disagree.

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    Isn't "jealous God", in Exodus 20:5 an oxymoron, if God were a perfect being? What's the spin on that one?

    Can't call myself religious, but I consider myself agnostic. Guess I can't really even call myself spiritual, not knowing if there's such a thing as a "spirit", either, which brings up the whole question of whether or not there is an afterlife, and that gets pretty disturbing if I think about it too much.

    *sigh* Sometimes I wish I were religious and believed everything fed to me, I'd be a lot less internally conflicted...

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    The problem with the bible, Qu'ran, etc. are that they depict God, Yahweh, Allah, whoever, as having HUMAN tendencies. People view God as they view man...

    The reason I will never ever believe one word from any "religious source" is because I know in MY HEART what is right for me. I know who my "higher power" is and I am more than comfortable knowing that I am taken care of. My Higher Power, or God, is not any of the descriptions in the Bible, etc. He is a loving God and does not punish...for anything. I am happy with that and I will not go back from that. If others want to live their life believing in sin and worrying about the firey depths of hell and damnation...that's fine...but, for me...there is no such thing.

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    I can see your point about the human tendencies, that makes sense, part of why I could never adhere to any one religion, can't trust their books for accuracy.

    I used to be where you were at, I felt like there was a "higher power" and I imagined it protecting me, watching over me, etc. But the older I get, the more I wonder why humans give their power up so easily to an unseen, unknown, possibly imaginary being. I think that the human mind's intense survival instincts disallow the comprehension of non-existence.

    I have far too many unresolved questions to be able to have "faith" in anything, except that I Am, I mean that's about as basic as you can get. Everything beyond that is essentially uncertain. Bugs the crap outta me that I may never know the answers. I wish I had a blind faith in the afterlife or continuation of conciousness after death. Maybe that's the key to it. The mind is a very powerful tool of creation, could we possibly will ourselves into existing beyond death? See, I drive myself fucking nuts not having any faith in anything. Anyone else drive themselves nuts contemplating this shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azamber
    I have far too many unresolved questions to be able to have "faith" in anything, except that I Am, I mean that's about as basic as you can get. Everything beyond that is essentially uncertain. Bugs the crap outta me that I may never know the answers. I wish I had a blind faith in the afterlife or continuation of conciousness after death. Maybe that's the key to it. The mind is a very powerful tool of creation, could we possibly will ourselves into existing beyond death? See, I drive myself fucking nuts not having any faith in anything. Anyone else drive themselves nuts contemplating this shit?
    describes me exactly..

    I can not allow myself to believe in something without some scientific evidence, some ....

    This lack of belief drives me crazy... sometimes it gets me sick thinking about what could happen after death... is there an afterlife? where do we go? what if when we died, that's all there is... death. and your conciousness and being are erased for all eternity... If this is the case, how did I gain conciousness in this body? why not another body? If it is only neurological, what links caused ME to conciously recognize me? When I was little, I use to toy with the idea that I was the only one with conciousness, and everything around me was simply a world created for me... people were there to challenge me. Obviously, I don't think this anymore, but I had quite an imagination growing up.

    I think all these unanswerable questions are what lead people to have faith in the indeterminable... I believe, though, that people and politicians recognize this, and use religion as a tool for control, which people blindly follow.... not me, thank you very much.. and with the years and years of history involved with religion, all have changed, been adapted, been rewritten to the point now where it is the blind leading the blind....

    sorry, just my views. People of faith, don't hate me

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    The problem with the bible, Qu'ran, etc. are that they depict God, Yahweh, Allah, whoever, as having HUMAN tendencies. People view God as they view man...
    I forget who it was, but someone famous and very wise said that "Man creates God in his own image"...
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    PHEW, A_Guy, all except for the neurological question for me, maybe worded differently, and when I was a kid, there were different variations on the perception of reality. Afraid to share my wacky thoughts with the entire internet community tho. Admittedly, The Matrix fucked with my head for a while, until the last movie anyway, what a disappointment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azamber
    PHEW, A_Guy, all except for the neurological question for me, maybe worded differently, and when I was a kid, there were different variations on the perception of reality. Afraid to share my wacky thoughts with the entire internet community tho. Admittedly, The Matrix fucked with my head for a while, until the last movie anyway, what a disappointment!
    ditto on The Matrix... and from the sounds of it, I'm sure your wacky thoughts on par with mine. You can always PM me if you want to share ..... or freak me out!! j/k

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    LMAO, Tempting, but no. Wtf's wrong with us? LOL

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    it's not us, just everyone else! lol

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    Shhhhh!!!!!!! LOL

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    It really does seem as though fear of isolation is one of the root causes for this need to have the attention of a higher being.

    Note the inherently selfish motivation for the kind of gods that are created, particularly the Christian God. Here we have a Supreme Being, who has been in existence for several billion years, and who has created a Universe with at least a hundred billion galaxies, each with billions of stars.

    This being is not only expected to keep tabs on the ongoing transgressions of every one of the several billion humans on this one isolated planet, and devise fitting punishments--but more importantly, He is expected to pay attention to the fervent prayers of every one of his believers, and decide whether or to what extent to grant the desired results.

    Furthermore, He is expected to guide each bullet on every battlefield, directing its course so as to take the life of one fervent believer, for reasons of his own--or spare that of an Infidel, perhaps, so that they may inflict further suffering upon His loyal worshippers, so that they may--possibly--attain enlightenment through contemplation of their suffering.

    Right...
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    To A_Guy and AzAmber:

    In response to the "give your power away to something else". I believe that there is a big difference between people who believe that they deserve something and pray for years on end waiting for that something to come through. I, on the other hand, know that there is something much greater than myself out there. I don't give my power away, but realize that I can tap into that greater power. I don't pray in the sense that "Please, may I have this, please?" But, more in a prayer of thanksgiving for all that I have. I know what I want and I know how to manifest everything that I want.

    Ehhhh...I don't know if I explained it properly...but, do you at least get the gist of it?

    Also, if you need to see something to believe it, then you will never see it as you won't believe it anyways. Somethings in life are meant to be felt and honored...somethings in life are meant to be looked upon with love...and other things in life are meant to be known by your "true" self...knowing that something IS without ever having to SEE it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    To A_Guy and AzAmber:

    In response to the "give your power away to something else". I believe that there is a big difference between people who believe that they deserve something and pray for years on end waiting for that something to come through. I, on the other hand, know that there is something much greater than myself out there. I don't give my power away, but realize that I can tap into that greater power. I don't pray in the sense that "Please, may I have this, please?" But, more in a prayer of thanksgiving for all that I have. I know what I want and I know how to manifest everything that I want.

    Ehhhh...I don't know if I explained it properly...but, do you at least get the gist of it?
    it made sense. Got it .... and, although I don't necessarily believe in following a particular religion, I do believe in the power of prayer. I've done it myself, and, if anything, it helps to calm me, focus my energy, and remain positive and optimitic...... Although, I do every once awhile ask for something, such as "OHhhhh God!!! Please let the Browns win this week!!!"


    Also, if you need to see something to believe it, then you will never see it as you won't believe it anyways. Somethings in life are meant to be felt and honored...somethings in life are meant to be looked upon with love...and other things in life are meant to be known by your "true" self...knowing that something IS without ever having to SEE it.
    wow... well said

    I don't need to see something, I need to have evidence of its existence.... I tend to have a bias against so called "word of mouth" evidence. For example, I believe in the existence of life on other planets due to evidence of "earth-like", extrasolar planets... the earth is teaming with life born from a virtual cesspool, so I believe it's possible elsewhere. I'm not entirely convinced in the existence of an all powerful being as we have defined him/her though... other than the fact that there is this complicated, diverse, yet organized system of life and existence, I have not gained any evidence nor experienced the personal epiphany of faith. I don't believe that our so-called "transgressions" will land us in hell... I can't believe it, and more than likely never will... however, from experience, I know the importance of integrity, companionship, and the golden rule... it works, and we can all live a fulfilling life if we follow those principles. I don't need a booming all powerful being telling me to be good to thy neighbor

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    Like theses lyrics:

    "Everybody is in a dream
    Of what they want and who they need
    To feel alright
    To be alive
    To wipe out words that they despise
    From a thunderbrain
    That's quick to pain
    And only once to live again
    When that setup gets in the way
    The dreamin' brain
    Will make a play
    To wipe it all outta space
    Press record then erase
    'Cuz There's something here
    They gotta face
    Everybody in this place
    It's the same for everyone
    They gotta figure out something
    They gotta figure out themselves
    They gotta figure own their own"

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Guy
    it made sense. Got it .... and, although I don't necessarily believe in following a particular religion, I do believe in the power of prayer. I've done it myself, and, if anything, it helps to calm me, focus my energy, and remain positive and optimitic...... Although, I do every once awhile ask for something, such as "OHhhhh God!!! Please let the Browns win this week!!!"
    Ummmm...just wanted to clarify that I DO NOT follow any religion. The way I live my life is by intuition. I guess that the closest thing I believe in, is the Indian Way. There's no place of worship, except within your heart. You don't "answer to anybody", and yet your actions/decisions affect everybody. People who are "truly" sucessful (in life...not money/fame/etc) are the ones who live for themselves and yet, live for the world at the same time. They're not necessarily Christians, Catholics, Wiccan, Unitarian, Jewish, Hindu, etc. They just realize that there is something much more than they are out there. They don't "give up" their power, but recognize it and respect it (I call it the Universal Laws). So, whereas I believe in the Great Creator, a Higher Power...I also believe in absolute free will without fear of damnation, I believe in creating your life, I believe in Universal Laws, and I believe in Collective Conscious.



    I don't need to see something, I need to have evidence of its existence....
    So....if you do not need to see something, how would someone "prove" something to you? All that is really left is word of mouth...or physical evidence. Either way, you would need to either believe the words...or believe that what you are seeing is real...just wondering.

    I tend to have a bias against so called "word of mouth" evidence. For example, I believe in the existence of life on other planets due to evidence of "earth-like", extrasolar planets... the earth is teaming with life born from a virtual cesspool, so I believe it's possible elsewhere. I'm not entirely convinced in the existence of an all powerful being as we have defined him/her though... other than the fact that there is this complicated, diverse, yet organized system of life and existence, I have not gained any evidence nor experienced the personal epiphany of faith. I don't believe that our so-called "transgressions" will land us in hell... I can't believe it, and more than likely never will... however, from experience, I know the importance of integrity, companionship, and the golden rule... it works, and we can all live a fulfilling life if we follow those principles.
    I understand. It's why I do not believe anything that the bible says. This is a book that has been around for 2000 years, translated, edited, re-edited, and based upon someone's take on what someone else said. There are many things that go on within this universe and this solar system. However, I have found that when I am not open to new ways of thinking or accepting new ideas...I have a hard time believing anything. Does that mean that you have to believe everything that is put in front of you? No, the most definite way to "filter" information is listening to your intuitive voice. It's never steered me wrong and it doesn't just work in physical situations. It works when you are trying to figure out the "mysteries of the world" as well. The biggest problem with our society, I believe, is that people have forgotten how to believe and know only how to worship.

    I don't need a booming all powerful being telling me to be good to thy neighbor
    And, I do not believe that there is a God up there who gives you freedom of choice...and then tells you how to live your life. I do not believe that there is a God who judges anyone for anything they do. I believe that there is a God who looks at a murderer in the same way he looks upon a mother. They both had the freedom to choose what it was that they wanted to experience in life...and God gave them the means in which to do so; without judgement, without fear of damnation...does that mean that I still don't get angry when I hear about someone being murdered? No...but, you know, I'm still only human. But, at least to me, God is God. He is everything and everyone...the right, the left, the good, the bad, the top, the bottom. *Sigh* I don't think I can really explain what I truly believe just yet. I KNOW I believe something...but, I don't completely understand it myself, yet.

    Oh, well.

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    There's logical reasons to believe in God, or not.

    1. The universe has order. You can believe that something directed the order, or that order is necessary from the beginning of the universe.
    2. The impossibility of physical infinity. You can make an argument for this either way.
    3. The evolution of abstraction from physicality. In a purely physical universe, how can one establish knowledge or beliefs outside of a physical plane? Seems like an oxymoron - but you can also point and say it happens - therefore, it's by definition possible.
    4. Paranormal events. If a miracle happens, you can believe it: a) is the result of a higher being; b) didn't really happen as reported; c) is physical phenomenon as yet unexplained.

    There's others. I'm just saying that you can make logical cases for these. I guess it depends on your own brand of logic, or your biases, or both.

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    I'm an Atheist, I swear to God!


    Just kidding.

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    I think faith is one of the most personal things about life and thats why my biggest complaint is about those who try to force their own religion onto others.

    I think there are so many different religions in the world because there are so many different people/cultures. No one religious practice is going to work for or appeal to ALL people.

    The many different religions are all part of a greater plan -imo- to help humans maintain, create and deal with life/the world/the universe.

    I also don't think we are supposed to know for sure the if or what about a higher being.

    Where is the faith if there is no mystery?

    Just some rambling thoughts on the subject

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