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Last edited by Lizette; 03-25-2005 at 06:19 PM.
Nope.... Thank God! I find that so degrading! I am worth more than a fucking dollar!!
I'm from Indiana too, and yes I also hate to do the $1 dances. But a lot of the clubs around here do them.
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How long do $1 dances last? Is it like a "flashdance" where the girls move from guy to guy ever 30 seconds or so for $1 minimum tip?
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Originally Posted by Mia M
If it's the way that Kat describes it, then I would think you would like it, it allows you to sell yourself to a lot of guys at once and really drum up the more lucrative business. I know that when I'm in a club that has those "flash dollar dances" that last like 1 minutes, I really check out as many girls as possible to see who I might want to spend more $$ on.
But if it's $1 for a full dance, why even bother if you're a dancer?
Currently my club doesn't have dollar dances (THANK THE GOD/ESS!!!!) but I have worked in a club where they have them. I hated it!!!!! I guess it might have been ok if EVERYONE participated but just like when you are on the stage and customers are sitting right there at the stage it was NOT required that you tipped. So now the cheap asses see you on stage for free AND get to see you up close on the floor for free!!!!!!!! Very very sad and upsetting how cheap some are that come into clubs





I've worked in several clubs in Austin where they do the dollar dance, which is like what Katrine alluded to, a short, stage-tip length dance for each guy. I used to hate them at the Show Palace because they would do them at midnight on the weekends, when it wasn't a problem selling a full dance. But if they do it during a slower time or when the crowd isn't buying a lot of dances it can help sell them. They're only available when the DJ calls a flashdance, or boom-boom, or showtime, or whatever they call it in that club, and it lasts about 7 minutes total.
We only do the dollar dances as a little shimmy and shake for 20 sec thing while we're collecting our stage tips, that's how we get them. We're on stage for three songs and then make the round around the bar doing the shimmy thing for a buck. Once you finish that and leave the inside of the bar it's $20 dances.



I always refuse to them when I'm in Austin at a club that does them. Refuse. Not only do I find it degrading, but I find that it actually decreases my nightly average if I participate. Even if it's slow, I'm still trying to hustle every guy in the room, and I find that it DOES cut into the $20 money by the end of the night.
I also think it devalues us, along with the tragedy of clubs in Austin having $10 dollar happy hour dance specials and $5 dances all night on Tuesdays......yes, that's right, $5 ladies. Every time I think of it, I want to KILL the managers at JOY and Perfect 10 for this one. Tuesdays used to be one of the best nights of the week in Austin where I would leave with at least $600. At $5, I would have to dance 120 songs a night to make that much, which is dancing EVERY SONG for about eight hours(all that work). And now those managers have ruined not only Tuesday nights, but I've noticed a more "ghetto" feel to Austin, and the quality of the clientele go down dramatically since these "specials" came into being.
I don't mind the "dollar dance"....I can tell you that if I do one, it's very quick...count to 6....one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand........
I try to lean more the $5.00 dance if I'm going to do those...in which case I will count to ten one thousand...LOL![]()
I only do them if it's slow and it usually gets the customer to the champagne room....![]()
I do have a problem though with the new girls that don't know what the hell they are doing and they will do dollar dances all fk'n night long for a half a song each! I have to take them to the side and tell them that they are not only ripping off everyone else but they are jipping themselves....
Yup, I will NEVER EVER work a Tuesday because of this. At least P10 used to allow the girls to offer a better contact $20 dance. Then they followed suite after Joy, and told the girls that they HAVE TO charge $5 because customers complained. Then they tried to only let girls who worked on Tuesday work Fridays. That blew over like a fart in a hurricane, no one listened....Originally Posted by Brittany
Yeah, I hide during dollar dances, but they've only done it once since I started Perfect10, so no biggie.
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Originally Posted by Mia M
Dances inour vip are 20, out on the floor (table dances) are 10, and on sundy and Monday table dances are 5! I dont grip about it, cuz even though we are diong more work, guys just dont buy because it is so slow on Sun and Mon. By taking advantage of 5 dollar dances, we get a lot more dances, and it helps us make money. Sometimes, instead of charging 5 dollars, I just do two for ones all night, two for 10, which is the same thig as charging 5, but it makes the men get out the tens, and dosent feel like we are dancing our butts off for nothing.
Last Sun I only worked for about two hours. I did a total of 20!!! dances in that two hours, not one person tipped. In two hours I had two songs that I did not dance on and made 100 bucks. Although that is rare, becaue most tip, I know I would not even have made that had dances been ten dollars that night.
We dont do dollar dances, but I have worked in clubs that dodo them. I always thought it helped my money. At the end of there 20 sec or however long, ask them if they would like a real dance when we are dont with the dollar dances. It works!
Originally Posted by Lizette
Yep, the club I work at is $10 a song. Of course I've never known any different so, I don't particularly mind. There are some girls however that charge $20 a song, but they throw in the "you get to touch my bare boobs" for the x-tra $10/song. I make enough (for my standards) w/o all that business thogh. As for the $1 dance. That's a little something I like to call STAGE!. (and with the sometimes 50+ people in the room, you certainly get more then a dollar in the end!
FROM A MANAGEMENT POV:
An average song is 4 minutes. The TEASER dance is supposed to be 15 seconds so 16 teasers per song. $16 per song. OK OK I know you cant do 16 dollar dances per song but what? You wanna get paid for moving from guy to guy or for talking/promoting your "service"? sheeeesh women!
I understand that the "STAGE" is also advertising but its ALL Visual and sometimes ya gotta hand out SAMPLES of the merchandise before customers realize how damn good it FEELS as well as how damn good it LOOKS. What made Charmin the best selling TP? They got people to go into the store and SQUEEZE tha damn stuff. See my point?
IT'S PROMOTION. ADVERTISING. All business have to do it and YOU (the dancer) ARE a Business. The stripping world is changing and dancers have to change with it. Get ready to work/promote even harder for that dollar. It's comming.
I miss the good old days too BTW.
14 years working in Strip Clubs. "What a long strange trip it's been"
Originally Posted by DJ_WuLf
That's fine...then why don't you spin a few songs for me without expecting to get tipped more than a few dollars? But, NOOOOO, all you DJ's expect to get tipped $20 or MORE for playing a few songs. As soon as you are ok with playing for free...then maybe the dancers will follow suit...and everyone will be happy...
I totally agree VG and thats more of whats comming. With more clubs going to pre-looped MP3 audio, the club DJ may soon be simply an announcer or MC rather than a DJ. Many clubs have eliminated or lowered the tip out for DJ's already and put them on salary (minimum wage).
As for me personally, I only spin on weekday-day shifts now and our day shift MC's don't get tip-outs. We consider that slot to be training ... or more correctly an INTERNSHIP for future night/weekend DJ's. The times they are a changing.
14 years working in Strip Clubs. "What a long strange trip it's been"





IMO, the DJs getting paid less is just another example of clubowner greed leading to mismangement. When the DJs get paid less, they put the squeeze on dancers more. When dancers are squeezed more, they put the squeeze on customers more. It's a viscious cycle and in the end it only causes the customers to want to come in LESS and spend LESS on the whole, which of course leads owners/managers to squeeze us even more....and round and round it goes. When will the fuckers get a clue and realize THEY are the root of the degradation of this industry?
Back on topic, yes there are $ dances at my club. It is one of the banes of most dancers' existence. Idiot managers always seem to call it just in the middle of a good run which screws up momentum. I wouldn't mind it nearly so much if it were used in the CORRECT way - as a way to rile up a slow crowd instead of cut into a paying crowd that are happily paying full price for dances.
Furthermore, WTF is UP with the long-ass $ songs??? I've NEVER worked a club where the DJ cut the $ dances at 15 seconds - it's ALWAYS been more like 30 second to a minute. At my current club, not only do they fine you for not doing $ dances, but god forbid if you have a guy who actually WANTS a regular couch dance, you're not even allowed to do that until AFTER $ dances are over. And this club takes a cut of couch dances. How fekkin stupid is that???
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Hahahaha, when I was at Hustler Baltimore and they started dollar dance, a girl and I were negotiating a double lapdance for a bachelor. Dorkar Noir grabbed my arm and tried to push me onstage to do the cattle call and I yelled NO at him, he tried to physically pull me away from the customer to stage, but the girl and I grabbed the bachelor really quickily and ran to the couch. Ha, made him look like an asshole and I got a $25 dance out of it. When we were done there was still a little time to do the $1 dance but I made the customers give me $3-5 minumum, fuck the $1!
Boo-Ya!
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Originally Posted by Mia M
I think it goes without saying that there are no dollar dances at PEC. However, from what I hear they don't have them at Hustler NYC either.
I dealt with the same thing as Kat and B when I worked there. Floormen physically trying to get you away from well-paying customers and trying to send you over to some yahoo waving a single in the air when another guy 2 minutes earlier called you over and palms you 3 $20's to give 2 dances. Not to get the thread off course, but if they only knew how to run the place. Oh, the potential...
"She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"
Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham





LOL! Yeah I've had to yell at Dorkar a couple times for trying to physically force me to submit to him. Dumbass. Several times I had to literally push the moron away from me when he was trying to force me to let him carry my friggin bag upstairs when I came in. Now he's finally gotten the picture and leaves me alone. LOL and this dipshit is supposed to be a dom. LMAO!
ROTHFLMAO!
Ok, ok, no more off-topic, I just had this mental image of Bridgette and NinaD whipping Dorkar while he is spread eagle tied to a post..........
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
In the immortal words of Forest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.
In the immortal words of Allen Greenspan: The rich get richer and the rest of you PAY for it.
Competition is causing alot of the issues we see in the stripping industry. Competition from LOTS of new Adult entertainment venues that chase the same dollar WE do. In other industries, increased competition leads to lower prices with MORE productivity (Sell MORE and charge less = more profit). Does anyone remember when a microwave oven cost $500? Now they are $50. Why? Increased productivity. Remember when Computers were $3000? Now $300 ....... Why .... you get my point.
There is another side to this deal. CARS. Remember in 1980 when a Mustang cost $6000? 26,000 now. Why? Percieved VALUE and marketing. Promotion and creative financing so us NON-Rich people can still afford to buy one. (Note I didnt say Own one).
The Stripping industry is at a cross-roads now trying to decide to go for low price productivity or percieved value marketing and promotion. THE DOLLAR DANCE IS PART OF THAT PROMOTION THAT WILL HELP TO INCREASE PERCIEVED VALUE.
/end economics 431
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EXACTLY. I have NO problem selling a dance and the $ dances have only served to HINDER sales I currently have going. Good thing my club doesn't do this everyday and it's actually kinda sporadic - ie, when the owner's son is around. Don't think I could handle dealing with that crap everyday.Originally Posted by Pan Dah
But another question for the all-knowing DJ_Wulf: Exactly how does lowering the price of something increase it's perceived value? My college major was economics and they always taught us that lowering the price LOWERS the overall perceived value. Did someone change that basic theory in the last couple years?![]()
Value Proposition:
http://www.oaa.on.ca/client/oaa/OAAHome.nsf/(SucceedLatest)/Succeed?OpenDocument
Welcome to the wonderful world of customer value. The point: value changes according to customers, customer segments, timing and situations. Your value proposition needs to reflect these critical factors. Tread carefully when planning or you’ll waste your marketing dollars.
Its price + perception of quality.
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"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
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