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    Monday night I had a group of guys who came in and had a bottle of champagne and clearly had a lot of money, but wouldn't go for dances. One of the guys told me that he'd rather spend his money on me outside the club. That he'd rather take me to dinner and spoil me that way. Another guy, who was a friend of mine, came in with his friends and told me he'd much rather give me his money for my services if he knew I could keep all of it and didn't have to give the club its cut (ie: outside the club)

    This has happened to me more than just those times. How do you sell to a guy that only wants to spend money on you outside the club and somehow thinks that will win you over??

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    You can't, just move on to the next. They are just broke losers who don't want to pay you to do your job and want to try to fuck you outside of the club. Don't waste your time with guys who say they want to spoil you outside of the club, they just want to fuck you.
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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    tell him you'll have dinner with him....for $250 (or whatever)

    this sometimes works...put up or shut up kind of thing.

    The thing with these guys who don't want to give the club a cut, I can understand, but if that were the case, they could just give you money for sitting with them at the bar. More than likely, they want to keep the cut you'd have to give the club, rather than give it to you.

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    I agree Emily, its not exactly cut and dry with this issue. I am one of those unsual cases of a customer that doesnt mind spending lots of money at the club but I do wish the club didnt take so much. So many times I just hand the girl a huge tip instead of getting lots of dances. I realize that taking lots of time to sit and talk with me is taking away time when they may have gotten a dance from someone else. I mean I have met a few girls outside the club for dinner, lunch, or drink, but even in those cases it was always a situation where I was helping them out a little, or had helped them out in the past etc.
    I can tell you from my experiences that even though either way I ended up putting out some money, I much preferred the girl who actually never asked for anything and it was always me volunteering to help with some financial dilemas. I would even get a " are you sure?" " I can't take this",,,, Anyway I wanted to show there are many differente types,,,,,

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    They are the guys that show you the money in their wallets, but don't want to spend it because then how would they be able to show that they have it!
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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    I agree with Emily. Tell him you would love to, but you can't afford to take a night off work right now, so if he could cover your nightly average, you'd be happy to meet him at the restaurant of his choice, and he can then spend money on you outside the club like he wants to.

    He's probably going to say no to this. This is how you will be able to tell if he's cheap.

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    Quote Originally Posted by MisfitBunnie
    You can't, just move on to the next. They are just broke losers who don't want to pay you to do your job and want to try to fuck you outside of the club. Don't waste your time with guys who say they want to spoil you outside of the club, they just want to fuck you.
    I have to say I agree with you Misfit--sounds like a line from another cheap loser who thinks that he will get some action if he can only get the girl outside the club. At least inside the club you know you are in a safe environment... I would recommend moving on and finding customers who are really willing to spend money on what you have to offer...

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    Here's a great technique. Tell him, "If you take good enough care of me in here, perhaps I'll consider taking you out to dinner instead." This way it gives you a way out and it puts the pressure on him to take action or be cheap. Either way you win. Also, even if he does take care of you in the club, you are still under no obligation to do anything past that.

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    My rule of thumb is that if a customer won't spend a decent amount of money on me in the club (at least 5-6 dances) as well as tip well and be a total gentleman IN the club, I surely will not have anything to do with him outside of it.

    I am not big on dinners either. There are a select few older regular guys worthy of this, but I feel lunch as opposed to dinner is better.

    Many guys pull that out of the club crap. EVERY guy wants to spend time with us out of the club.

    I have several customers who like private shows from me, BUT they are regular customers in the club AND spend money in the club on dances AND,they understand that no sex is for sale in my show.

    Plus, guys that come into the club in groups are not usually the type you want to deal with outside. They are usually cocky.

    I would bet that if the guy who was pushing you to meet outside the club was alone and not with a group he would be more prone to buy from you IN the club.

    How old were these guys?

    Many guys are embarrased to spend money when in groups. They are tyring to show off to their tag alongs that they can get a stripper to leave with them.

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    That's a bullshit line, they are trying to get laid for free. They think you will put out if they feed you a steak and some wine.

    Emily and DW's suggestions are GREAT! I promise you most of them will recoil, but there's always a chance!

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    My rule of thumb is that if a customer won't spend a decent amount of money on me in the club (at least 5-6 dances) as well as tip well and be a total gentleman IN the club, I surely will not have anything to do with him outside of it.
    Agreed in full.

    If he won't spend it in the club, why would he spend it outside the club?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    That's a bullshit line, they are trying to get laid for free. They think you will put out if they feed you a steak and some wine.

    Emily and DW's suggestions are GREAT! I promise you most of them will recoil, but there's always a chance!
    What she said.

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    OPEN

    I am one of those unsual cases of a customer that doesnt mind spending lots of money at the club but I do wish the club didnt take so much. So many times I just hand the girl a huge tip instead of getting lots of dances. I realize that taking lots of time to sit and talk with me is taking away time when they may have gotten a dance from someone else. I mean I have met a few girls outside the club for dinner, lunch, or drink, but even in those cases it was always a situation where I was helping them out a little, or had helped them out in the past etc
    I think there are a lot of us older guys that think like this, and dancers who benefit from this type of relationship. I always ask a dancer that I am fond of- what is the best way for her to come out ahead? Several of them do like a meal with someone with whom they enjoy without the pressure of sex or club requirements.

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    You obviously behaved like an ATM, and got yourself a very aggressive saleswoman. Answer her calls and tell her to leave you alone. But I'll be that you like the attention.........

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    And what do you suggust saying to a dancer who keeps asking you to meet her OTC to take her shopping, dinner, on vacation?
    How about this:

    "No."

    It's been two months and she still calls asking why I won't come to see her.
    Try something like this:

    "Because your egregiously mercenary tendencies have compromised our relationship to such a degree that you no longer appeal to my aesthetic or financial sensibilities."

    My fantasy ends at the door and so does my monetary obligations.
    Then show her that by going there when she works and buying dances from her co-workers. Don't be a pussy--she doesn't have a monopoly on pussy, so don't be one in return.

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    "Spoil you outside the club"

    =

    a) dinner at Kelseys then he wants to get laid.
    b) take you shopping at Fredricks / Victoria then get laid (for the cost of a poly- teddy and thong).
    c) give you grocery-store flowers, or basically any amature tactic you can imagine to get laid / show you off to friends as 'stripper trophy'

    Spoil you outside the club
    does not =

    a) develop a lasting relationship
    b) make you my girlfriend (though he'll be sure to insult you by using this word when he cleraly does not mean it)
    c) accept financial responsibility

    The men (and I said men, not 'guys' - pay attention here) who legitimately want to spoil you will spend the $$ first in the club, they will not ask you to dance - just talk, they will ask you to leave the costume on, they will listen attentitively so when you mention offhand an upcoming expense ("I need to get some snow tires, I was all over the road on my way here!") they quickly chime in their assistance ("Go to [whatever tire place/garage], tell [so and so] I sent you, and don't worry about the bill" - this happened to me!)

    When they outright say 'I want to spoil you outside here', they are putting you in the place of a whore, and most definetly a cheap one at that. Take my word.

    BTW: even if they do spend, if its less than $1000 (talking about mid-top quality clubs), forget about it still.
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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    I have to say, I agree with this above. Money talks. BS walks.

    I have let guys from the club take me outside the club. I will admit a lot of times it was because the guy wanted to get naked himself. I'm fine with that, but obviously the club is not. One time a guy wanted me to be his date at a dinner function. Also fine.

    The dinner guys are tricky...that doesn't work out unless they pay you because it's like a date to them. Then they treat you like a girlfriend and it makes it hard to make the transition back to a business relationship, so make sure you are clear about it being a business transaction if you go this route.

    I did the shopping date once. That was a waste of time. We looked everywhere at expensive jewelry and I picked out a diamond necklace that I liked...and we left the store. It turns out I had to sleep with him first. He was just dangling the carrot (carat!!) in front of my face. So make sure you understand the arrangement here before getting into this kind of deal.

    Another guy wanted to meet outside the club so he could do drugs. BIG MISTAKE. He was so fucked up that he acted like a totally different person and I was scared.....left without getting my money too. Note: I usually get my money first thing, but I'm more lax with guys that I've met before, and this is one. I trusted him to pay me at the end. Never again.

    I'm only sharing this with people because I've learned from my mistakes and I hope someone else does too. The guys worth hanging out with outside the club are the ones that show and SPEND big money on you in the club. For instance, if you are in a champagne room with a guy and he's being a perfect gentleman and it's the end of the night and he wants to buy more of your time, perhaps it's worth considering. Or if you are talking to a guy at the bar and he's tipping you generously for conversation, and he wants to pay you for dinner, then he's worth considering. Or maybe he likes going to casinos and wants you to join him....will give you money to gamble with and let you keep what you win (I love this one because you can't lose! You just keep asking for money until you win something!)

    You have to trust your insticnts and don't get greedy. The guy that's manhandling you at the bar and frustrated by the lack of contact by your lap dance is the guy you should not consider doing this with. You want to meet older, lonely guys....usually from out of town and know nobody, or the ones that are married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC Joe
    I’ll admit it was flattering at first, but got old really fast. Kat you don’t know me but you read me like an open book. Are all men the same, or are you just that intuitive?
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    If you plan to do OTC the club with a customer, just make it easy on yourself and do a private nude show or HJ/BJ/FS....don't waste time playing games when you already know the outcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC Joe
    Are all men the same.....?
    Pretty much.

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    Thanks so much for all the input! Its true that if they are unwilling to spend in the club, they are all talk. I just needed a good way to set them straight...

    "If you are not spending, tipping, and treating me like complete GOLD, you have absolutely no chance in hell of ever seeing me outside these four walls"

    End of story.

    However, DW's line was pretty slick and I should definitely give that one a try before I turn into the Uber-bitch.

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    Default Re: "I want to spoil you Outside of here"

    There is another thread about all of this (title is very similiar)

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40130

    If you have not read through that one yet. Its on the second "page" of Hustle Hut.


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    Wow...I have to say that I'm really surprised by 2 things on this thread.

    1. I would be really turned off by DW's suggested comeback, just because I would view it as a total lie. It might not be, but if a stripper volunteered to buy me dinner I'm not going to hold my breath for it...And DW implies as much.

    2. I'm amazed at how many dancers are perfectly willing to consider seeing someone OTC. I would have guessed the number would be a lot lower, or that it would take more effort from the guy over a longer period of time. Then again, of the 2 dancers I've ever seen OTC one was one I'd known a long time and one was a next-night thing, so maybe that goes to show...And of course every case will be different.

    I think from the customer's point of view, that the best thing to say to me would be what a lot of people have said--"Treat me nicely inside the club, and maybe we can see each other outside the club." If I was really motivated to see you OTC, I'd just ask what the $$$ amount inside was, then negotiate a package deal. I think most people for whom time/experience is more important than money would do the same.

    But I totally agree that you should GET YOUR $$$ AGREED UPON UP FRONT for OTC...I think most customers are otherwise going to think that they are really just going shopping/having dinner/whatever with you b/c you're so enamored of them.
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    Yeah, guys who will actually spend money out of the club will spend inside the club. However, if the guys are really all THAT concerned with the club taking a percentage of your money tell them that they are more than welcome to tip you excessively for your time and company rather than buy dances - that way it is all yours.
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    I actually like DW's suggestion because I have taken a customer or two out for breakfast after work. Of course, they were generous inside the clubs and have good personalities, so conversation went smoothly.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker
    Wow...I have to say that I'm really surprised by 2 things on this thread.

    1. I would be really turned off by DW's suggested comeback, just because I would view it as a total lie. It might not be, but if a stripper volunteered to buy me dinner I'm not going to hold my breath for it...And DW implies as much.
    It seems as though you are missing the point. The wording I used is very specific to force the hand of the customer and imply nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker
    I think from the customer's point of view, that the best thing to say to me would be what a lot of people have said--"Treat me nicely inside the club, and maybe we can see each other outside the club."
    Now I'm really confused. You don't like my suggestion but then you give the same suggestion only worded poorer and with less impact? I don't get it.

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