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    Can't agree. Even by Christian principles, those without sin, cast the first stone, etc.

    If you have to play by ALL the Christian rules in order to be a Christian, then you can't lie, you can't cheat on the income taxes, you can't make up an excuse for being home late, you can't speed, you can't look at someone's car and say, "I wish I had that," you can't hit back, etc. etc., etc. Obviously, playing by those rules would leave about seven or eight Christians in the world. Many of the standard Protestant religions and a fair amount of others simply belief that if you have faith, you're a Christian. The rest is just a matter of penitence and forgiveness.

    It seems like a practical matter. If a guy's in the club to get away from the ol' lady, so to speak, then you don't want your first line to be, "So, are you married? Kids?" If someone's capable of feeling guilty from a religious standpoint, you don't want to beat the religious drum for them.

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    Like Leanne i'm not religious either. My only knowledge about religious stuff came from my ex-husband who was a reformed baptist. I say reformed because he was raised that way, but then he got over it. But I agree with her on this subject. The idea of a "christian" stripper makes about as much sense as a married priest or an AA meeting being held in a bar. If you don't generally agree with the goals and values of a group, you shouldn't call yourself by that name. I suppose someone could call themselves a "meat-eating-vegetarian" but that doesn't make them one.

    I don't mean this to sound mean. I'm not saying dancers cannot be religious. I just think they should qualify it a little bit more. Perhaps something like, "I believe in what I understand the teachings of Jesus to be". I hope this makes some sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanneCiccone
    if you are a dancer, you are NOT a Christian. you can have Christian beliefs, and vow to follow all Gods laws once you are done with the adult industry, and God still loves you very much, BUT... you are not a Christian if you are a stripper. You can tell yourself that you are, but it does not change the truth, and would probably do yourself good to stop fooling yourself.
    Hmm... The truth for one person can be absolutely different for another. Who are you to say what that may be? If someone I know is a stripper and chooses to go to church, or say they are Christian, than it is not my place to tell them any different. Would that make them feel good? No. I believe in helping others to feel good about themselves, not putting them down or telling them something they believe in is wrong. For them, it may be right. Make sense?
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    Oh, I say I am Spiritual but not religious. It just about covers everything.
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    lalala and the old testament doesnt count....unless it's leviticus...and then only that one line about the faggots, we'll ignore the rest of it. yeah. whaaaaatever.


    anyhoo. i have only ever played two songs i can think of that are obviously "religious".

    "welcome to paradise"-front 242...which is not, at all. but the samples are.
    and that remake from the 80's of "lean on me" by...club nouveau i think it was. but only as a last song of the night type of thing. and EVERYONE was singing along.
    waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.

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    oh, and "don't make me pull out my bible" either.


    yeah yeah. i'm wiiide awake. i was sniffly and i took the only thing we had, which was sudafed. so. i aint sniffly but whooooooooo am i hyper. alrighty.
    waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.

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    Not a dancer but I am a Christian and I have to add my two cents. I think a dancer can be a Christian, just maybe not a particularly good example of how a Christian should choose to lead their lives.

    Being a Christian means you have made the decisions that you are a) a sinner b) that Christ died on the cross without sin for you and c) that you accept Him as your Saviour. That makes you a Christian. Now, as long as you don't rebuke (turn your back on God) this gift - it's pretty much yours.

    Other than that you are supposed to try and lead your life how He would want you to, but that lone doesn’t make you a Christian. Ultimately it is not my place to judge anyone’s lifestyle. I worry about my own direction and try to love my fellow man and be an example and share the message (only when asked, I do NOT like bible thumpers, they don’t help anyone).

    Perhaps dancing is a sinful way to make a living, but none of us are without sin, I won’t judge you, it’s not my place. we all have to answer for our sins at some point, I have my more than enough of own to worry about!
    How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?

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    Nice, balanced approach Pop. Thanks.

    How did you find SW, if I may ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    Hmm... The truth for one person can be absolutely different for another. Who are you to say what that may be? If someone I know is a stripper and chooses to go to church, or say they are Christian, than it is not my place to tell them any different. Would that make them feel good? No. I believe in helping others to feel good about themselves, not putting them down or telling them something they believe in is wrong. For them, it may be right. Make sense?
    The truth, my friend, is not as elusive as you are making it out to be. Christians have solid rules put forth in the Bible - not "do what FEELS good," or "Do what FEELS right..." I strongly believe in building people UP and not putting them down, HOWEVER - I am not going to let someone walk around ignorant; I will gently correct them as I would hope anyone else would do for me using logic and kindness and not "feel-good crap."

    Anyhow, I simply stated that the basis of being a Christian is obeying the laws put forth in the Bible and "letting Jesus drive," so to speak. There are many that dont, as someone said earlier, as well as I know some that ARE true blue Christians and DO follow the rules in the Bible and they kind of remind me of the Flanders on "The Simpsons" in a non-annoying way.

    As I stated before (please dont make me break out the many scriptures on this), one BIG tenet of being a Christian is NOT intentionally causing a brother to sin. In fact, according to the Bible, the one who CAUSES his brother to "fall" has blood on their hands as well. Someone stated earlier that a dancer could be a Christian and I am disputing it - because the very basis of being a stripper IS INTENTIONALLY tempting men and making them lust over you to get their money. Show me where there is any exception for strippers in the Bible. Give me something concrete as your argument, and not "feel-good crap." You cant.

    AS I stated before, YES you can believe in the Bible, you can love God, you can be spiritual, we are all really good people and HEY, you can even SAY youre a Christian, you can help your Christian friends in need, you can give to the poor - but you cannot actually BE a Christian if you are a stripper. The two ARE mutually exclusive. Sorry guys. This originally was not supposed to be a debate about God, just a rant about something inappropriate.

    I didnt hear anyone proclaim to be a Christian, so I dont think Im hurting anyone. If there is a dancer out there who holds Christian beliefs (as I do), then my heart goes out to you because believe me I know what you go thru on the inside. When you are not living what you believe it makes you miserable. Anyhow, love you all, just threw me off someone played that song.
    Leanne

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    I don't know of any Christian tenet that says, "You aren't a Christian if you tempt."

    In fact, in the Bible story, the person who was getting stoned to death was an adulteress. She had tempted or been tempted or both. When the stone throwers were stopped by that Jesus guy saying, "Those without sin, cast the first stone," it seems to me he was saying that Christianity was a big, forgiving tent.

    How about Mary Magdalene? In (disputed) interpretations of the Bible, she was certainly a temptress, yet she was in the inner circle.

    The core tenet of Christianity is faith in the Messiah. (I'm just quoting dogma, not proclaiming my own beliefs.) To say that a stripper cannot be a Christian is an aberration of the letter and the spirit of commonly accepted Biblical teachings. I don't remember the hero of those stories turning away anyone who wanted to be in the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    I don't know of any Christian tenet that says, "You aren't a Christian if you tempt."

    In fact, in the Bible story, the person who was getting stoned to death was an adulteress. She had tempted or been tempted or both. When the stone throwers were stopped by that Jesus guy saying, "Those without sin, cast the first stone," it seems to me he was saying that Christianity was a big, forgiving tent.

    How about Mary Magdalene? In (disputed) interpretations of the Bible, she was certainly a temptress, yet she was in the inner circle.

    The core tenet of Christianity is faith in the Messiah. (I'm just quoting dogma, not proclaiming my own beliefs.) To say that a stripper cannot be a Christian is an aberration of the letter and the spirit of commonly accepted Biblical teachings. I don't remember the hero of those stories turning away anyone who wanted to be in the party.
    OF course they will not turn anyone away. I never said a dancer couldnt BECOME a Christian - but once you are a Christian, you cant dance any more, not if you are truly a Christian. God will change your heart to where you dont WANT to put lust in mens hearts and get blood on your hands.

    Being Christian is about being "born again." Once you are "born again" you are forgiven of all your sins, and then you turn away from your old lifestyle (repent) and live as Jesus lived (i.e. without sin). Of course you are going to have messups, because we're human, but if you are truly trying to live life God's way, you are not going to continue to blatantly breaks Jesus' laws and live "in sin." There is a difference between the occasional messup and just continuing to live the same lifestyle while convincing yourself "you have been born again." If you are truly born again, you change your life. Not continue to live the way you always have. Being a Christian is not about saying, "I believe Jesus died on the cross so Im going to do whatever I want and keep on stripping, drinking, etc."

    Even Satan believes in and "has faith" in Jesus - is he a Christian, too?

    Its about actually FOLLOWING all the rules in the Bible. And you live your life as Jesus lived His. NEWSFLASH: Jesus did not shake his ass in a G-string for money, or put lust in men's hearts. and you would have had to kill him first.

    THAT is the basis of being a Christian (Again, not the orginal POINT of this post, but setting a few straight).
    Leanne

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    I've never played church music, but I have played nursery rhymes.

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    This is a tough subject for me leanne. Just because you are a dancer does not mean you cant be a christian woman.

    To me anyway...

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    Well, for the record, I clasify myself as spiritual, not Christian or religious.

    I think it is sad that someone would think, "Oh my God, people are going to be REMINDED that they are sinning with this song, I might not make that much money from this guy!" The people that believe they are sinning (dancers OR customers) don't belong in the clubs, period! Now a song that sounds like it's talking about SHIT, well, that just makes MY stomach turn.

    Any man can be tempted by women, whether she is a scantily clad dancer or a conservatively dressed Christian. I don't intentionally make men lust over me so that I can make money from them. I'm not saying that men never lust over me, I'm just saying that I don't set out to INTENTIONALLY do that. A lot of customers come to the club for social attention, not sexual. I know I'm a dancer in the minority, but I do not think about how much money I can make from the men that come in there, I do not seek out customers to extract money from (hustle or ask for dances), and if it's a slow night, and I have nothing else to do, I can sit and talk to customers (as long as they are treating me in a respectable way-sometimes most of the night) without ever asking for one red cent. Guys who choose to, pay me for my "services", whether that may be entertaining (dancing) or simply my company. I never lead guys on and I demand respect. If someone can't respect me, I don't deal with them. Most important of all, I respect myself.

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    I would have tipped her tons of money. I have a warped sarcastic sense of humor and find that really funny.

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    Treat it like a theme show and you will be fine!

    Like a prayer-Madonna

    Heavens on Fire-Kiss

    Spirit in the sky- Norm greenbonn

    Save a prayer-Duran Duran

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