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    I ask this question because the Toronto Police Services Board just turned downed the police force's request for 500 tasers for their members. In Toronto the only police with tasers are the ETF so if their is a situation the police either have to wait for ETF or they use the force they have, being a hand-gun. The police services board has made this a political issue as the board is made up of a majority of left-leaning members, which is fact as the board members have all-but said this in public. The Toronto city council is made up of a majority of liberal/socialist members and they follow whatever the mayor tells them to do. This same board has rejected helicoptors for Toronto because they make to much noise, and the cost as well. They are against the current police chief because he has the balls to criticize the mayor, so anything that may help the police do their job better they will vote against.
    This is the same board that berates the police force when they use deadly force, but when the police comes to them for money for tasers, which is alot less deadlier option then guns, they vote against it. Would you not want your police force using a taser on a suspect instead of a gun? The answer would seem pretty freakin obvious to me, but the liberals in Canada, who are anti-punishment for criminals, whould answer otherwise.
    All I can say for them is that I hope a family member of theirs isn't accidentally shot by a cop in Toronto, in the commission of a crime, when a taser could have immobilezed them and allowed the cops to arrest the person without death. Then the shit would hit the fan, and I bet the cops would have tasers pretty quickly. Come to Canada where our politicians don't want the cops to use tasers or guns on the criminals, they just want them to talk to the criminals and ask them to please not commit anymore crimes. Boy do I wish we had the death penalty up here.
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    Default Re: Would you rather your police force use tasers or hand guns?

    This is so funny to me-- I'm moving to Canada the first week of Dec. to get away from the very things you seem to prefer ( in your posts here anyway ) from government.

    Maybe you should move here --LOL ! You can have all the guns & violence you want

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    Its not the guns and violence I want, it is for the police to have the ability to protect us and not be second guessed, as well as for people who commit unspeakable crimes to be punished and kept in prison for life. Once you come here you will see how soft Canada is on crime. We have some country club like prisons to integrate people back into society where they have golf courses, cable TV, and have horseback riding. In this country the prisoners run the system, not the Federal government. I would like a combination of Canada's social freedoms with the US style of law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21
    Boy do I wish we had the death penalty up here.
    Yea, it's been so incredibly effective down here that it's hard to understand why virtually the entire rest of the civilized world has failed to recognize its true value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret
    Yea, it's been so incredibly effective down here that it's hard to understand why virtually the entire rest of the civilized world has failed to recognize its true value.
    I know it hasn't acted as a deterrent whatsoever, but up here we let the killers go with a slap on the wrist. And we have what is called a faint hope clause that anyone convicted of first degree murder automatically is eligible for parole after 15 years. In Canada there is no such thing as life in jail. The only thing we can hope for is that felons such as Paul Bernardo and Clifford Olsen are accidentaly let out in the general population and the convicts do what our elected government is too chicken to do.
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    I would rather they learned how to do their job without being complete jerks, Houston seems to have a problem with shooting people lately...
    The death penalty is effective? Yeah, about as effective and proper as our criminal justice system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21
    In Canada there is no such thing as life in jail.
    There isn't much of a "life in jail" down south either. Length of sentence in the guidelines, typical sentence awarded and actual time served are very different animals. Here's a for-instance (keep in mind that I read this two months ago and may not be quoting with absolute accuracy):

    Sentencing guidelines for rape are = 3-20 years (between all states and all catagories of sexual assault)
    Typical sentence awarded is = 17 months
    Average time served = less than six months.


    As far as the OT goes, I'd have to agree with you, Primetime. I'm not overly fond of giving weapons and the freedom to use them to police, but let's be pragmatic. The police are required to to some very dangerous work that puts them in reach of the deranged, the violent, the drugged-up and those who are armed. They need something in the way of self-defense. I don't have much enthusiasm for tasers or mace but I have even less enthusiasm for rubber bullets, nightsticks and handguns. It might be easier on the conscience if we were proposing handing weapons to people the public could trust.
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    Cops in Maricopa County AZ are too damn trigger happy. Lost a friend a few years back to the Mesa PD, the fuckers, of course, they were cleared. Yeah, I'm all for tasers, even though there has been a problem with a few people dying here and there, maybe they can reduce the voltage?

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    Tasers, beanbag guns, it's all cool. If there's a way to take an adult out in an appropriate situation, without being lethal, it sounds good to me.

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    I know it hasn't acted as a deterrent whatsoever, but up here we let the killers go with a slap on the wrist.
    Like that guy that just got 5 years for murder--after he'd already been convicted early for killing his grandmother? Can't remember the province where it happened, but it made the news down here.

    I'll take heavily armed and trained cops over brazen criminals anyday.
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    I'll admit there's some bad cops out there, but what is the primary reason that people call the police when they suspect that danger is immenent? Because they have guns. Take their biggest stick away and you pretty much render the cops useless.

    Tasers are a nice alternative when they can be used, but they're not always practical. Sometimes lethal force is justified. Do you think criminals are going to stop carrying guns if the police disarm themselves first? Fuggedaboutit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    Like that guy that just got 5 years for murder--after he'd already been convicted early for killing his grandmother? Can't remember the province where it happened, but it made the news down here.

    I'll take heavily armed and trained cops over brazen criminals anyday.
    I'm with you on that CO, the criminals don't really seem to care, so I definitely want the cops to be able to protect us as well as themselves. For me tasers would seem like an obvious choice, but not in Toronto.
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    Good points Doc and CO, but how is this society going to solve the problem of increased police shootings/killings when unnecessary? Maybe they can use tasers when the suspect is unarmed, and keep their guns in their holsters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    I'll admit there's some bad cops out there, but what is the primary reason that people call the police when they suspect that danger is immenent? Because they have guns. Take their biggest stick away and you pretty much render the cops useless.

    Tasers are a nice alternative when they can be used, but they're not always practical. Sometimes lethal force is justified. Do you think criminals are going to stop carrying guns if the police disarm themselves first? Fuggedaboutit!
    I agree with you doc,I don't want them to take away the cop's guns, but the Liberals up here seem to. The cops are trying to appease the politicians here and request tasers, but the left-leaning police services board in Toronto doesn't want them to have tasers, then they complain when the cops do use deadly force. So the cops can't win with these councillors, and there are a great deal of cops who are contemplating leaving the force because they don't need the stress of not knowing if they will make it home at the end of their shift. The cops get dumped on by the public as well as the politicians, you couldn't pay me enough to be a cop in this country.
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    Sure give the cops tasers, that will have the heavily armed criminals shaking in their boots. I say give them both. In some cases even with guns, cops have been outgunned by even better equipped criminals. And the most effective weapon a cop can have is between his or her ears. Most cops use that weapon and aren't paid enough for the job that they do.

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    If they did something bad enough to get tazed, then shooting them would be just the same.


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    Ouch! please look up "eye for an eye' in search and see what we came up with in that discussion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azamber
    Good points Doc and CO, but how is this society going to solve the problem of increased police shootings/killings when unnecessary? Maybe they can use tasers when the suspect is unarmed, and keep their guns in their holsters?
    I'm seeing some rookie losing his head in the excitement and unholstering the wrong weapon. Oops.

    Yes, good points from Doc and CO.
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    Either way, the rookie losing his head is going to use the gun, right? At least if he has 2 weapons to choose from, he/she MAY pick the less lethal...

    I feel very passionately about this issue because one of my girlfriends was killed by cops

    here's the google search on her name:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ta...en-US:official

    and here's a link that sums it all up, but doesn't tell the whole story:

    http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...gs-patton.html

    RIP Tasia baby, I miss you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunatics
    If they did something bad enough to get tazed, then shooting them would be just the same.


    Kill em all and let GOD sort them out.
    There's a god? Damn, all this time I thought he was dead.

    Something bad enough to be tazed? Like the 6 year old who was cutting himself with glass? WTF was a 6 year old doing cutting himself with glass? (talk about some serious issues)

    Police officers are nothing more than humans, they are put in high stress situations and given enormous amounts of responsibility. I say we let police officers make their very own weapons out of hot glue and duct tape, no seriously I think there should be better methods for screening out the trigger happy superman syndrome types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebuildme
    ... no seriously I think there should be better methods for screening out the trigger happy superman syndrome types.
    I think you just hit the nail on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetime21
    I ask this question because the Toronto Police Services Board just turned downed the police force's request for 500 tasers for their members. In Toronto the only police with tasers are the ETF so if their is a situation the police either have to wait for ETF or they use the force they have, being a hand-gun. The police services board has made this a political issue as the board is made up of a majority of left-leaning members, which is fact as the board members have all-but said this in public. The Toronto city council is made up of a majority of liberal/socialist members and they follow whatever the mayor tells them to do. This same board has rejected helicoptors for Toronto because they make to much noise, and the cost as well. They are against the current police chief because he has the balls to criticize the mayor, so anything that may help the police do their job better they will vote against.
    This is the same board that berates the police force when they use deadly force, but when the police comes to them for money for tasers, which is alot less deadlier option then guns, they vote against it. Would you not want your police force using a taser on a suspect instead of a gun? The answer would seem pretty freakin obvious to me, but the liberals in Canada, who are anti-punishment for criminals, whould answer otherwise.
    All I can say for them is that I hope a family member of theirs isn't accidentally shot by a cop in Toronto, in the commission of a crime, when a taser could have immobilezed them and allowed the cops to arrest the person without death. Then the shit would hit the fan, and I bet the cops would have tasers pretty quickly. Come to Canada where our politicians don't want the cops to use tasers or guns on the criminals, they just want them to talk to the criminals and ask them to please not commit anymore crimes. Boy do I wish we had the death penalty up here.

    Well Primetime,

    We have been having the same problems with the police and Taser issues out here in California. For a long time the cops out here hated using Tasers because they were big bulky and hard to handle. Now, with the advent of technology Tasers are now smaller, and developed to feel like a Glock 17 in an officers hand. Cop's out here didn't start using the latest Taser, until our wonderful liberal groups and city council started complaining of shootings by cops of the people attacking them with knives, wanting to avoid going back to prison, suicide by cop, mentally disturbed etc. These groups also complained about cops using there Nightstick too. The cops had there hands tied until this taser came out-- They love it!!! For them it meant no longer having to decontaminate a suspect/vehicle at hospital who've been sprayed with OC, No more having to write a report to the hospital, if a suspect has bruises or broken bone with an I/A action. No more worrying about shooting, no more injuries or torn up uniforms from struggleing with suspects. They see the Taser as a godsend, it knocks out a suspect with no bruises and allows them to subdue people without struggleing.

    Now, the major complaint is the cops are Tasering too many "minority" subjects that make up a high crime niehborhood [East San Jose].

    My opinion is that all these Critics of Police Policy have never been the victim of a violent crime, and have been sheltered from the bad people all thier lives, you'd be amazed how quick thier opinions change once they've been a victim of those that commit crimes.

    Just tired and venting, I'll clean up this post later. ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgrad
    My opinion is that all these Critics of Police Policy have never been the victim of a violent crime, and have been sheltered from the bad people all thier lives, you'd be amazed how quick thier opinions change once they've been a victim of those that commit crimes.
    And my opinion is that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Find me some facts to back up that wad of hot air, sweetcheeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madgrad
    Well Primetime,

    My opinion is that all these Critics of Police Policy have never been the victim of a violent crime, and have been sheltered from the bad people all thier lives, you'd be amazed how quick thier opinions change once they've been a victim of those that commit crimes.

    Just tired and venting, I'll clean up this post later. ....

    This is the biggest bunch of bull puckey I've heard yet. I'VE been the victim of a violent crime (I was raped when I was 19). Wouldn't have done me a damn good with either taser or gun. Now, one time, there was a guy with a sawed off shot-gun trying to get into my apartment one time...I called the police and they said they'd be there momentarily. Yeah, 45 minutes later...they show up. The worst part about it, was that the station was 5 minutes away from me.

    Doesn't mean a damn thing if the fucking police would actually show up when they're needed.

    If sticking them with tasers will keep them from being trigger happy and just shooting because they can't contain themselves...then give them tasers. However, if they think that this gives them the right to taser little kindergarteners because they don't want to "wrestle" with them, then they need to find another line of work.

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    The only police policy that I'm critical of is the one that allows them to kill people when it's unnecessary or even the wrong people.

    If cops, doctors, politicians, etc. were punished honestly for their bad acts, there'd be a lot less distrust of the system that tends to shelter them.

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