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    Ok this Saturday was my 2nd night dancing ever and my friends 1st night. She came home with a total of $0.00. She did only 1 lap dance the whole night and got no tips at all while she was on stage. Now the lapdance that she did for the guy, when they were finished he walked back downstairs with her out of VIP saying he had to get his $$ from his friend. After that, you guessed it.....he left. How can one keep this from happening? Is there a tactfull way to ask for your $$ up front before the dance or something? I'd hate for this to happen to me and since i'm a newbie too i dont want to make the same mistakes, please help.
    * and yes she did inform a manager, who just shrugged his shoulders to her

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    You could just say nicely, "Do you want to pay me now, or after the dance?" Lots of guys will say after because that may mean that they are thinking of buying more than one.

    If he starts to walk away before paying you, say, "Hun, you forgot to pay me" and smile nicely.

    If he refuses to pay you get a manager. There is NO need to ever let someone get away with it. I've had it happen once or twice when I was a newbie.

    Good luck

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    Tactfully?What do you mean tactfully???Customers are ALWAYS supposed to pay you up front.
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    I'm assuming your club does not require lap dances to be paid for in advance. At my club everything is paid for prior to the VIP dance or Dungeon Room. I like it this way because no matter what, it's paid for and you don't have to worry about the guy skating out on you with out paying. I would start having customers pay up front. This is how it is in all of the clubs I have ever been in, but my knowledge of clubs is very limited to the state of WV.

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    If you read some on here, you'll find that the practice of paying before or after varies a lot, depending on what part of the country you are in. Lot's of guys are offended if you ask for payment up front. Also, they are less likely to buy multiple dances if you keep stopping and having them dig into their wallet before each dance. Her mistake was in letting the guy out of her sight. When he said he had to go get his money from his friend, she should have insisted on going with him.
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    There have been times in my club when the guy has said he has to get MORE money from the ATM to pay, so the girls at my club take his license until he comes back.

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    A good technique is when he agrees to a dance, simply say, "Awesome, do you have enough now or do we need to go to the ATM machine first?" The technique is called an Alternate Assumption. Be sure to put emphasis on the word "now" when you say it. It's a subconscious command of sorts and is very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    A good technique is when he agrees to a dance, simply say, "Awesome, do you have enough now or do we need to go to the ATM machine first?" The technique is called an Alternate Assumption. Be sure to put emphasis on the word "now" when you say it. It's a subconscious command of sorts and is very effective.
    woah. i respect your advice dancerwealth and you always give really good advice too, but i can't really see myself saying that. i would expect most customers to be offended. or maybe i just need to grow bigger balls. does that really work? will they really go get more money and buy more dances?
    i think i'll try it if it's really effective though. it can't hurt.

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    Alternate Assumptions work REALLY well. It's a technique I usually teach when I do sales training to real estate agents or car salespeople used in the context such as:

    "Now that you are ready to make this purchase, will that be cash, check, or charge?"

    "Would you like to sign up for this deal over the phone or would you like me to guide you through the proceedure over the Internet?"

    "Now that you've come to the conclusion yourself that this is the perfect car for you and your family, I'm sure you'll want to start the paperwork on the financing right now."

    Now, first of all, I will say it does take some brass balls to say things like that. No question about it. Does it work? ABSOLUTELY. Check out the movie Glengarry Glen Ross when you get a chance. It's a brilliant movie about salespeople and they have a very cool scene in there talking about how it takes balls to do sales.

    Now, I'm not saying this will necessarily increase your sales all of the time, but it certainly will work more than you realize. In many cases such as the first one I gave (Do you have enough money now or do we need to go to the ATM machine first?) it's not used to make a sale, but to reinforce it. Here is an Alternate Assumption we actually teach in the class so consider this a "freebie".

    When you make a sale and your customer agrees to buy a dance from you, never actually sell him anything specific in your pitch. Many dancers usually pitch their sale as "would you like me to give you a dance here?" or something to that effect. The challenge is you are specifying the sale too much. You always want to make an upsell once your customer agrees to buy something from you. Just ask McDonalds who makes tens of millions of dollars off of this system every year (would you like an apple pie with that combo?". So, when you sell "a dance" to your customer, use an alternate assumption when he agrees to buy from you. Small commitments lead to big commitments. Once he says, "yeah, sure, I'd like to" then make your Alternate Assumption...

    "Wonderful, would you like your dance here, or would the VIP room better suit our needs?"

    When you say this, do two things. First, when you say, "VIP ROOM" say it with stronger emphasis. Second, when you say, "VIP ROOM", physically point right to the VIP room. Now, will this work every time? No. Will it work some of the time? YES. At the very least you'll get a lot more inquiries as to what the VIP room is all about and so it gives you an oportunity to sell into it. All it takes is you saying this every time you sell a dance and if even you get a hit on it once a night, that's the difference between $20 and $100. You just made an $80 profit by saying one sentence. Now, let's add this up...

    Let's take the conservative route and say you make one upsell a night using this technique. That's $80 a night. Say you work 3 nights a week and you work 50 weeks a year (giving you 2 vacation weeks a year...cool eh?". That means the EXTRA income you'll make by using this rolls out to $12,000 a year by saying ONE SIMPLE SENTENCE! See how that adds up. Does it take a bit of guts? Of course. Is it tough to do, not at all. Certainly not any more guts than you already have! Do it for a few weeks and you'll see the results and I KNOW you'll love the rewards.

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    Great advice DancerWealth! Thank you for sharing!
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    you guys are all AWESOME thanks for all the GREAT advice

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    thanks so much dancerwealth. i'll definitely try it out and get back to you!

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    Anyone who doesn't ask for their money up front (I guess there's an exception if you're brand spanking 1-2 days new) is a moron. If they get their money taken, tough shit. Live and learn.

    (sorry, I may seem like a super bitch. I'm just very blunt.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica
    Anyone who doesn't ask for their money up front (I guess there's an exception if you're brand spanking 1-2 days new) is a moron. If they get their money taken, tough shit.
    Damn, and to think of all the lap dances I've bought in the last couple of years, all but three were sold to me by morons.
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    Hmmm apparently I know how to pick them because I've only had 1 moron dance for me in about 3 yrs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica
    Anyone who doesn't ask for their money up front (I guess there's an exception if you're brand spanking 1-2 days new) is a moron. If they get their money taken, tough shit. Live and learn.

    (sorry, I may seem like a super bitch. I'm just very blunt.)
    See, funny thing. I (like most dancers I have ever worked with) do not get my money up front. And yet I do not think of myself as a moron. It actually seems to me that if you demand a 20 before you start every song you are kind of unlikely to keep going, so you'll be nickle and diming all night. There is no momentum, and, honestly, no seduction. 9 times out of 10 is he doesn't have the money on him, he has a credit card. The bouncer or bartender will usually get it for you. At least I have NEVER had a problem with it, so I'm assuming it can't be something that would be happening to other people all of the time. Probably the once or twice you get screwed would be pretty insignificant to the losses that you would take demanding upfront payment. I mean, way to help guys stick to their damn budgets!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Probably the once or twice you get screwed would be pretty insignificant to the losses that you would take demanding upfront payment.
    Thisis exactly why I do not ask for payment up front. I find that if a guy has paid me before the dance (of his own accord, without me asking), he almost always only gets one dance. If I asked for money up front, the amount of dances I'd lose as a result would definitely be a much worse financial loss than it'd be if I got ripped off once (I have not been ripped off).

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    My customers don't find it rude at all, I'm very nice and polite about it. As for nickle and dimein' it, only had a handful of those in the last two years. So I doubt it has little, if any affect on my money. If it did, they wouldn't keep comming back.
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    i'm with noelle and jenny on this one. but hey, whatever works. everyone has there own techniques. and i haven't been ripped off yet either. calling the girls "morons" is a bit much.

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    It also depends on if you're in a classy club (NEver ask for $ up front unless the guy is obviously drunk or seems unlikely to pay), or a club where the customers try to rip off the dancers. I rarely ask for it up front.
    At the club where I dance, if you're called up to stage you have to stop table dancing & go. This doesn't give you time to get the $ even immediately afterwards. So I pay attention to the rotation and MIGHT say "Are you staying a while?" or "Can we settle up now? [apologetically] I have to run up on stage in a minute. If you're staying for a while, I'd love to come back and sit with you some more as soon as I get off stage."

    Also, every club I have worked in has an ATM ON the premises. Locate yours.

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    We just had a nice thread on this very subject last month that I think would be informative here:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40671

    Also a couple of others:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41419

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...24%24%24+front
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    If you read some on here, you'll find that the practice of paying before or after varies a lot, depending on what part of the country you are in. Lot's of guys are offended if you ask for payment up front. Also, they are less likely to buy multiple dances if you keep stopping and having them dig into their wallet before each dance. Her mistake was in letting the guy out of her sight. When he said he had to go get his money from his friend, she should have insisted on going with him.
    I agree with Destiny. I think this guy might have seen her as an easy target because she is new and probably nervous. I doubt he would have tried that shit with someone who knows the biz. better. Hopefully you learned a lesson..... sorry that had to happen to you though. Guys like that suck!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambiblue
    I agree with Destiny. I think this guy might have seen her as an easy target because she is new and probably nervous. I doubt he would have tried that shit with someone who knows the biz. better. Hopefully you learned a lesson..... sorry that had to happen to you though. Guys like that suck!!!
    Yeah, come to think of it, $20 is pretty cheap for such a valuable lesson. A while back a girl I know had a guy run out on her owing her $180 for dances claiming he was going to the ATM. Since he had already paid for the VIP room and acted like he knew the manager she trusted him (and she's not a newbie).

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    I like to pay up front and tell the dancer that the tip depends on how I like the dance. One of the clubs I go to has table cards with the prices posted 20/40/60. if it is a new dancer I tell her that she should ask for money up front if she is doing a deal seperate from what is posted, until she is more familiar with the place. just my 2 cents ...JR

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    Now that's probably a good way to ensure you get the best dance out of every dancer jr. If the girls know that they're going to get a tip, they won't be lazy or nonchalant about the dance they give you, even if they've already been paid.
    Note, that the only way this would work is if you paid the 20 upfront, otherwise the dancer wouldn't believe you and would think you were only trying to be manipulating.

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