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    **This post will apply mostly to ghetto people like myself who do not live in safe areas**Please don't just reply telling me to find a safer situation / walk in well lit areas, this is not possible**

    There have been about 5 rapes in the woods and apartment stairwells in my community in the last couple months. There have been many knife-point / gub-point robberies, too many to count.

    So.......

    What is your self-defence weapon of choice? I recently went to an army-type store thats known for selling mace and stun guns, I wanted a stun gun, but I think the guy was scared and thought I was a cop so all he offered to sell me was pepper spray.

    My buddy who is a coke dealer said that pepper spray justs enrages men and its better not to even use it. He said that I should carry pepper spray plus a good switchblade, so if I get attacked I first spray the guy, then take out the knife and stab him. This sounds a bit complicated, especially if there is more than one attacker.

    If you were fighting for your life, would you pepperspray?

    Know any good and painful fighting tips?

    No holds barred, please. ( pardon the pun. hah! )

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    Sorry I should have mentioned lets assume they do not have a gun, neither do I.

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    I have been shooting guns since I was 14 years old, I love it. I have a hand gun that I take mostly everywhere with me. That's my security.


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    Pepper spray does work, so does shoving the palm of your hand into the persons nose. Another idea is to scratch the eyes.

    Is there any way that you could have a male friend walk you into your apartment after work? Or whenever these situations are happening. Also you could call the police department and let them know that you come home late from work and would like extra patrols to go on during those times.

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    whack them in the neck, use a tazer, grab there arm and karate chop the joint...hard

    hit either side of their head with flat palm hands as hard as you can.

    don't go for the balls until they are somewhat incapacitated, men are very guarding of that area......

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    Go for the eyes. Seriously, poke the shit out of them and run. If they have a gun, a moving target is hard to shoot.

    Take a self-defense class at the Y.

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    Well, generally your best bet is a good gun; hold it in your hand openly when walking back home from your car. Most people will not approach you. If you'd rather not do this, and want good hand to hand combat techniques, the best way to learn is by practice, not just hearing about it, and no offense Lizette, but anything you learn at the "Y" is probably not worth a whole lot. That being said, when in a physical confrontation with someone who overpowers you, your best option is to attack the areas of the body that are most vulnerable. The eyes are very soft and squishy; don't be squeamish and just poke at them with your finger; grasp the side of the face with your fingers, and use your thumb to dig in all the way to the end. Seriously, don't just jab the eye, sink your thumb in as far as it will go, and do it quickly, not slowly. If your life is in danger, it really doesn't matter if your hands get dirty.
    Next, the throat: a quick, sharp strike to the larynx with the edge of your hand, or if the angle requires, use a half fist, where the second knuckles of your hand are the weapon. Do this hard enough, and you can crush the windpipe, and then steal the guy's wallet while he suffocates to death. hehehe.
    Another effective attack to the throat is to push your fingers in on either side of the windpipe hard, then squeeze them together as hard as you can. See if you can make your fingers touch. When you have a good grip, pull hard. This will not really rip out their throat like in the movies, but can completely destroy their airway. **take note; when doing this it must be done VERY quickly, without hesitation. When people are grabbed by the throat, they have a natural instinct to do whatever possible to escape, and they can become very violent. So if you are in a situation where you must do this, speed is essential.
    There are many, many techniques that can be used to quickly neutralize, disarm, incapacitate, or kill your assailant, but they are much easier learned than explained.
    As for pepper spray, it is minimally effective against someone who is drugged up, enraged, or has been exposed to it before and is used to it.
    Depending on what the laws are where you live, I would suggest a gun, but only if you can carry it on your person, not in a purse or bag. It is useless if you can't access and operate it in a second. Also be sure that you know how to use it, and are willing to without hesitation. A gun should only be drawn if your life is in danger and you plan on pulling the trigger.

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    oh, and one more thing. try not to ever hit anyone in the head with a closed fist; you'll most likely end up breaking your hand. Use your elbow, or head butt them. Your head and elbow are both much harder than you hand.

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    Default Re: Pepper spray & Your most DIRTY fighting tips!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lizette
    Take a self-defense class at the Y.
    Exactly. The best defense is self defense, personal protection devices can be taken away from you and used against you.

    Edited to add: Excellent advice Commando!
    Last edited by Cranky; 12-06-2004 at 07:47 PM.

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    Commando - THANKS so much. I like the part about quick and dirty with the eyeballs.

    PLEASE, KEEP 'EM COMING EVERYONE!!

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    commando is right. your targets are the eyes and throat. I dont care who you are, but a sharp poke to the eyes or throat will cause immediate terror and pain. People are especially sensitive in the throat. grab, poke, scratch, or hit. once he starts gagging and choking, run away screaming.

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    Before I took karate, I was always told to make a quick kick to the kneecap. Really hard, right on the patella and that guy is done. Also, like commando said, the eyes. If you're falling to the ground, you can take your fingers, and it's even better if you have nails, and dig into the the space between the shoulders, neck, and collarbone (right in front of the trapezius). Hurts like a bitch! A hard hit to any major joint is a safe bet. Like Katrine said, men guard their balls more than their cars or money, so, best not to use them until he's down for a bit.
    We had major problems with the Baton Rouge/I-10 serial killer last year in Lafayette, Louisiana, so the entire city made a mad dash to buy pepper spray. Mine had a pretty good % of pepper, tear gas, and a substance that glows under UV light in it. If you opt for pepper spray, which I would recommend for the simple fact that it's better to have something than nothing, look for something really strong. Contact the local polic and ask them what they would recommend. Just be prepared before you get into a dangerous situation. I walk across campus late at night with my car key positioned in the web of my finger, ready to go for the neck or eyeball. Anything can be a weapon. Be creative if you have to! Be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by commando
    Well, generally your best bet is a good gun; hold it in your hand openly when walking back home from your car. Most people will not approach you. If you'd rather not do this, and want good hand to hand combat techniques, the best way to learn is by practice, not just hearing about it, and no offense Lizette, but anything you learn at the "Y" is probably not worth a whole lot. That being said, when in a physical confrontation with someone who overpowers you, your best option is to attack the areas of the body that are most vulnerable. The eyes are very soft and squishy; don't be squeamish and just poke at them with your finger; grasp the side of the face with your fingers, and use your thumb to dig in all the way to the end. Seriously, don't just jab the eye, sink your thumb in as far as it will go, and do it quickly, not slowly. If your life is in danger, it really doesn't matter if your hands get dirty.
    Next, the throat: a quick, sharp strike to the larynx with the edge of your hand, or if the angle requires, use a half fist, where the second knuckles of your hand are the weapon. Do this hard enough, and you can crush the windpipe, and then steal the guy's wallet while he suffocates to death. hehehe.
    Another effective attack to the throat is to push your fingers in on either side of the windpipe hard, then squeeze them together as hard as you can. See if you can make your fingers touch. When you have a good grip, pull hard. This will not really rip out their throat like in the movies, but can completely destroy their airway. **take note; when doing this it must be done VERY quickly, without hesitation. When people are grabbed by the throat, they have a natural instinct to do whatever possible to escape, and they can become very violent. So if you are in a situation where you must do this, speed is essential.
    There are many, many techniques that can be used to quickly neutralize, disarm, incapacitate, or kill your assailant, but they are much easier learned than explained.
    As for pepper spray, it is minimally effective against someone who is drugged up, enraged, or has been exposed to it before and is used to it.
    Depending on what the laws are where you live, I would suggest a gun, but only if you can carry it on your person, not in a purse or bag. It is useless if you can't access and operate it in a second. Also be sure that you know how to use it, and are willing to without hesitation. A gun should only be drawn if your life is in danger and you plan on pulling the trigger.



    Wow!Thank you!

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    everyone has great advice. also, pepper spray can be blown back into your own face or accidently sprayed into your face in the frenzy of the moment. it just seems to unpredictable to be very effective.

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    If he does not have me i was taught to scream FIRE very loud! People will pay attention to that. Also, if a guy pulls up in a vehicle and says to get in while holding a weapon at you, don't get in. 99% of the time they wont shoot you on the street, but once you get in that vehicle, good luck, and lots of prayers.

    First try not to get into a situation, stay public, buddy system etc.

    This shit happens though, i say scream and fight. Eyes. Shit is you get the eyes he is out! He needs to see where you are going. I would just go NUTS on him. Period. I only have a bolt action shotgun, collectors item so that is out. Again, though people may say i am paranoid with my dogs, fence, car always locked, and people around me. But it works.

    Also bs works too. Say you are walking alone, and a guy is walking behind you, you don't feel comfortable with this, wave into an unknown house window and say "hi babe" while walking up to the door...And if this fails....Run inside the door, right into the friggin house...Really. It just might save you're life.
    I have to add, my vehicle is the best weapon i have if someone ever tries to get in my car with me in it. I will not hesitate to take em down. I was approached onve while in my car, off guard. A man knocked on my window at a red light, fuck that. I thought i heard the door try to open but it was locked, he is lucky he fuckin moved real quick. My instinct just kicks in and says "take off...Fast."

    Pamela

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    From personal experience (an attempted rape when I was 17) i've found that jabbing your finger/thumb into someone's eye until it pops and runs down thier cheek is pretty effective.

    The biggest problem people have is freezing up or panicing when something violent towards them happens. If you can keep a level head you'll most likely come out on top.



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    I'm in Canada. I miss the states because I could at least carry a gun there. I guess I'll hold on to the pepper spray...

    any more tips guys and gals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona
    From personal experience (an attempted rape when I was 17) i've found that jabbing your finger/thumb into someone's eye until it pops and runs down thier cheek is pretty effective.
    That one hurt just to read. But the jerk had it coming.

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    Keep a big rock (or something heavy and hard) in your purse...makes a nice swing weapon.


    remember whatever you do...try to scratch and get some DNA the cops can use later (but get away safe too)

    If you have a cell phone...chat on it (even if to nobody) and a mugger will figure it's not worth fucking with you. Best NOT to be on a call, but have 91 punched in the phone, and the second 1 ready to go

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    The other thing that you need to do is be prepared and aware. One of the things that they teach the SEALS is to war-game...you walk down the street and think, "what if". "What if a guy jumps out of the alley and tries to grab me?" With every what if question, you think of a possible response scenario that you are capable of doing (not a Jackie Chan series of punches that you would LIKE to do). It's also so very important to be completely aware of everything going on around you. In most cases, if an attacker sees that you SEE him/her/it, they will not attack you. Attackers are more comfortable attacking people who they can surprise.

    So, staying aware of your surroundings so that you can prevent an attack is the best. Being prepared and knowing what you're going to do is second best. Also, it's not enough to know what you are going to do but to do "dry runs". Practice all of your movements, etc. That's why self-defense classes are good...you get to practice over and over until they just become second nature.

    Take care of yourself!

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    If you have a cell phone...chat on it (even if to nobody) and a mugger will figure it's not worth fucking with you. Best NOT to be on a call, but have 91 punched in the phone, and the second 1 ready to go
    i'm new here, i was just looking around, and got to reading this thread. pretty interesting stuff. i just figured i'd add to it. i once read somewhere that rapists or muggers tend to go for girls on their cellphone because it'll catch them off guard. i'd say your best bet would be to yes, have 911 already in there so you can just press send, but probably not the best idea to be deep in conversation. i carry a knife in my purse just in case i'm not in a really safe area. just thought i'd leave my 2 cents.

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    I've heard that if a guy try's to attack or rape you to tell them that you know their mother. However, I wouldn't count on this tactic. As a female, I would definatly suggest taking some self defense classes like jiu-jitsu, aikido or even boxing. I've been doing martial arts for years, the sparring practice will boost your confidence in these situations (very important) and you will have practice going against someone else (I like to spare against guys who are bigger than me), so that if any thing ever happens you will react correctly and instinctively. Also, you can easily take down a man even twice your size by simply hooking your foot back and around his and just giving a really good hard jerk and twist - this dislocates the knee cap and is very painful (I did this to a guy in class once a little too roughly as we were practicing the move and he ended up lying on the floor in extreme pain). If anything it will give you time to get away. However, you really need to take some martial arts classes because just hearing about these methods won't give you the practice/application you need to put them to use. Also, I think that carrying a weapon is not always a very good idea because the likelyhood of you dropping it/having it ripped out of your hand and and used against you is too high.

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    gauging the eye is very effective also a little bit of info it only takes 5lbs of pressure to pull someone's ear off. going for a good shot too the throat is always a good way you'll drop almost anyone with a nice hit there.

    but yes going for the eye's is my personal favorite is going for the eye its probably the easiest part of the body to go for and the least protected too.

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    I was attacked in high school and afterward I took a self defense class. Here is the basics of what they taught me:

    Your best weapon is not a weapon at all ,it is your own body. Weapons take time to get out of your bag or to prepare to use. Not to mention they oftten get turn on victims. My teacher did not suggest using a weapon such as pepper spray or a gun, in fact he felt it was a bad idea. Use your instinct above all else. If something feels "wrong" such as a car behind you or the way a man looks at you, there more than likel;y is something up. Follow you gut. And get away from that person asap.

    In the event that you can't move away from someone who gives you that "wrong" feeling or are suddenly attacked out of no where these moves can help.

    Two fingers slightly bent to the throat will give you time to run because it makes the attacker unable to breath and they will automaticly grab their throat. Getting their hands off you so you can run is the key to surviving an attack.

    Your elbow is the sharpest bone in the body so if grabbed from behind shove it as hard as you can into their stomach. Another move if you are grabbed from behind is to stomp as hard as you can on their foot. Feet bones are tiny and many can be broken easier than most people think.

    Carry a light cigarette while walking if you smoke . It can be used to burn the attacker. If you don't smoke keep your largest keybetween your index and 3rd finger to use as a weapon. Go for the eyes if possible but it can be used to stab someone as well.

    Talk on your cell phone while walking even if you are just pretending. People are less likely to attack if they thing the attack will be heard or seen by anyone who can get help.

    Whenever possible do not walk alone. Take a self protection class. They will teach you all of what I just listed and you will get to practice as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer
    Keep a big rock (or something heavy and hard) in your purse...makes a nice swing weapon.


    remember whatever you do...try to scratch and get some DNA the cops can use later (but get away safe too)

    If you have a cell phone...chat on it (even if to nobody) and a mugger will figure it's not worth fucking with you. Best NOT to be on a call, but have 91 punched in the phone, and the second 1 ready to go
    Talking on the phone does NOT work. Once, I was using a pay phone and this guy comes up to me and keeps asking if I need a ride. I kept saying no, he kept getting closer, and frikin' grabbed me. I didn't think he would actually have the guts to do that 'cause I was on the phone with someone--outside of a grocery store! I dug my nails into his arms--didn't work--and then I screamed. That worked, and someone came out of the store and he ran. My lesson learned? Digging into someone's skin is useless, actually being on the phone is useless (just drop it and run), and pushy people have the potential to attack you. If they keep persisting about something after you have told them no thanks, walk away or run. The tips given by commando are great--I just hope I would be able to remember them!

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