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    I'm amazed at how much interesting discussion my original "sluts and slobs" thread generated and I don't want to derail that. But I thought it might be interesting to try to define some of our terms a little more. Me first.

    I originally defined 2 types of dancer: nice girls and sluts. Obviously it's more complex than that. I've found that there are at least 2 kinds of nice girls: college students (a relatively new phenomenon) and single mothers. And 2 kinds of sluts: party girls and single mothers. And probably at least one other category: seasoned pros. The primary thing that separates the nice girls from the sluts is drug use - the nice girls may be occasional users but the sluts are usually big-time users. And some of them will do almost anything for money, including dating customers.

    There are also sub-categories within the 2 types of customer. Nice guys can be either white collar or blue collar and are usually but not always a little older. Slobs include both young punks and older sleezeballs. Some of the young punks are small time drug dealers supplying the sluts. The main distinguishing characteristic is that nice guys are looking for companionship, slobs are looking for sex.

    There are several tiers of gentlemen's clubs, from very fancy to less so, but they all have similar characteristics: large, not very friendly, expensive, fancy, tuxedoed (or nicely dressed) bouncers and doormen, live DJ. The main emphasis is on fancy stage dancing plus there's usually private dancing in VIP rooms. Dances are usually fairly low contact and stage dancing usually isn't nude. Dancers are a mix of nice girls and seasoned pros. Customers are an even mix of white collar and blue collar nice guys with a few slobs here and there. The top tier clubs are often part of a national chain. These places are usually located downtown in cities.

    Joints are much harder to characterize other than to say they're not gentlemen's clubs. I'm familiar with at least 2 types: neighborhood bars and lap dance factories. The neighborhood bars are the most common type of strip club and outnumber all the other types several times over. The main emphasis is on drinking and socializing. Dancers rarely are nude. There often aren't any private dances or if there are they're pretty tame and not many people buy any. Dancers are a mix of nice girls and sluts, depending on location. These clubs are located everywhere and are the home of the blue collar nice guys.

    Lap dance factories are very different. They're usually small dark dumpy places with no alcohol, fully nude and very explicit dancing (if you want to call it that) on small stages, and inexpensive lap dances either out in the open or in a back room. Laps are often very high contact or more. Girls are almost exclusively sluts, except when the place is in the middle of nowhere as they often are, then they get more of a mix of girls because there's no alternative. Customers are almost exclusively slobs (mostly sleezeballls during the day and punks at night) although sometimes nice guys go too for a walk on the wild side. These places are usually located in run-down industrial areas or in the boonies and are often hard to find. Some are attached to XXX bookstores, a few have massage parlors next door. Some are open 24 hours a day, especially if they're near a truck stop. My guess from the comments on other threads is that few of you people have ever been inside one of these places. They're a lot of them out there and some of them are extremely popular (Wagon Wheel in Baltimore comes to mind.) Some girls make a ton of money in these places.

    My personal favorites are the hybrids - places with a neighborhood bar atmosphere, alcohol, and low prices but with nude dancing and a back room that's much like the LD factory. There aren't many such places because in most states they're illegal. But where they're legal they can be highly enjoyable. You usually get a very entertaining mix of nice girls and sluts in such places and a broad range of customer types too. And when they're located in tourist areas as they often are (Key West comes to mind) they can be very popular.

    That should get us started. Who's next.
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    I've been in plenty of those dives hun - I like to check out all kinds of talent, whether I want to work there or not I have even been in some 24hr truckstop places, and worked in some joints that had pornshops and/or self-service booths attached. Yes, worked in all kinds of places all over the country, and visited even more. It's kind of a hobby of mine too - my bfs have always enjoyed entertaining my desire to check out the clubs too And in my experience, MOST of the time, the dives/joints have fewer girls working and fewer guys gawking or grabbing, as the case may be.

    I think you've got yourself convinced of something and aren't very open to opposing views...

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    Maybe i just don't get it.

    But i have danced around college students, and they can be very very naughty. They feel the competetion and will often times do more with a customer to compete with a very seasoned dancer. I don't get the whole nice girl slut thing. Sorry.

    I have seen the nice girls be "nice" on certain nights when there are not alot of dancers around to compete with, and other nights the "nice" girls beef it up alot because there are alot of dancers on to compete with, now making them a slutty girl.

    Housewives....Same thing. I don't dance were dancers are the "nice" kinda dance. They are nice people to talk with perhaps, but when it comes to competetion dancers will do (some) things they would not in another setting.

    And drugs? Sure some dance for $$ for their drug habit, but these girls are not reliable, so they don't last. BUT, because a dancer has a drug proble does not mean she is a slut. I have seen ladies do lines before a dance, and some of these girls would not let a guy put a hand on them.

    I just don't think it's fair to break goups ONLY into 2 different categories , that's all. Because this is not true. As for the neighbour hood clubs, they are usually too dark, smelly, and hire on anyone.

    The bigger up-scale clubs have more standards for dancers, i.e. auditions, gowns, nice dressing rooms, beautiful VIP areas, and bring in more money, and will not take in just any dancer.

    At least this has been my observations over the years. That being said every club has a slut and a nice girl. And at times she IS the same one.

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    Models intentionally simplify system structures and dynamics. But that makes it easier to explore nuances.

    I'll agree that nice guys tend to look for companionship first and slobs tend to look for sex first. However, a nice guy ends up with a more loyal companion if he discreetly gets her addicted to her sexual fantasies. Likewise, a slob may develop longterm feelings for his kind of slut.

    Bridgette, I think FONDL just wants to understand the subculture. In this thread he has moved beyond bifurcation to explore the diversity of design in clubs.

    Classification is a function of state and local laws. I live in a metro area that allows nudity, intense 2way contact, and alcohol. Nice girls are the ones who don't have sex with their customers. Upscale is where it smells okay and condoms don't stay on the floor more than a day.

    One could alternatively develop a generator model that begins with applicable laws, market size, disposable income, dominant cultural values, and dancer availability to produce a best practice design.

    Pamela, you are so right about college girls. You can find bright girls with no bad habits, under five sex partners lifetime, and they're wild at selected times with selected guys.

    In my experience, girls who are drunk and influenced by drugs tend to do sluttier stuff than girls who are not. Addicts just happen to be working in that condition more often than not.
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    Thinking about this thread further, there will always be sluts and slobs in every club. Because people, dancers and customers move around. You're nice guy may want a "slut" one night, a nice girl the other. It never will be consistent, no matter what club you hit. There is always a mixture of guys and gals loking for different types of people to talk and buy a "clean" dance from or "play" with.

    Does not matter if it's the locals downtown strip joint, or a large city up-scale joint, it's all the same.
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    Bridgette, TUSCL lists 130 strip clubs in my state (PA) and they've probably missed a bunch of little ones - I know of several that aren't on their list. And I'll bet that fewer than 10 of the clubs in the state meet my definition of a gentlemen's club. You're absolutely right that the GC's hire a lot more girls and have a lot more customers. Maybe I'm wrong but I still think they are outnumbered by the little places, both in terms of total dancers and customers. There's no question that the little places are declining and the GC's growing so you will eventually be right even if you aren't now. Is that openminded enough for you?

    I guess one of the points that I've been trying to make is that for you ladies who aren't happy with your earnings, and there seem to be a lot of you, there are other options. Don't automatically assume that the only place to make money is the GC. My ATF used to work at a little dump of a place and I'll bet she was one of the top earners in her state. One of the problems with the GC's is that they have a big investment and a lot of overhead, which means that they have to take a big cut out of what the dancers take in. Many of these little places take a much smaller cut so the dancer gets to keep a lot more of what she brings in. Something to think about.

    SportsWriter, thanks for explaining what I'm trying to do, I should have done so. I'm simply trying to summarize my experiences and hope others will do the same because I find it interesting.
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    I thought this thread was about me and the girls I've gone out with

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    four kinds of nice girls: college students, single moms, and single girls for whom this business is a lifestyle, and seasoned dancers.
    five kinds of sluts: single moms, college students, drug addicts, and single girls for whom this business is a lifestyle, and seasoned dancers.
    See? What your background is has almost nothing to do with whether you basically put out during your dance and/or like to give high contact dances. But the choices that each girl has made. Some girls choose high contact cause it's what they like or what they feel they have to do. Others choose low mileage/hustling cause it's what they like and what they're comfortable with.
    It's been MY experience that a slut is usually always a slut, and a nice girl is always a nice girl, with a few exceptions thrown in here and there. And sometimes, like Pamela said there are drug addicts that are "nice" girls, but I've found these to be few and far between.

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    i am really frustrated with the lumping of drug addicts into sluts. i know more than a couple girls who are drug addicts at my club. while most of them would get on their knees and suck dick for an eight ball and then later quit/get fired, there are two in particular who i know are every day drug users. they are also beautiful, intelligent, hard working girls who get on stage and dance their asses off, who rarely do v.i.p.s as they are no mileage dancers, and who run around the club constantly table dancing. they are spectacular entertainers, clean girls, charming, full of personality, and just happen to be addicted to drugs.

    its the difference between a functioning and a non-functioning drug addict. these girls could hold down a "regular" job and still maintain their habit, while the ones who are on their knees in the champagne room can barely hold down a stripper job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    It's been MY experience that a slut is usually always a slut, and a nice girl is always a nice girl, with a few exceptions thrown in here and there.
    As one of my favorite bouncers says, "We have a nice new girl here today. Just your type. I wanna see how long it takes you to break her down."

    On the other hand, I once met a clueless young dancer at the beginning of her second shift. She said, "My friend says lapdancing is dry humping. I want it to be about dancing." I taught her every hot clean move I had ever seen, and she added gymnastic moves I had never imagined. She became a spectacular dancer and made lotz of money as a nice girl.

    The term "slut" has always included descriptors like "dirty" or "unclean." The contemporary meaning for me is someone who practices unsafe sex. Lots of "nice girls" practice unsafe sex with sequential boyfriends. I know "sluts" who only give head using mint-flavored condoms.

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    sluts are usually pretty nice girls. Don't be dissing the sluts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    sluts are usually pretty nice girls. Don't be dissing the sluts
    Ya know i agree. I have often been called a "slut" because i now work for an escort agency as well. But that's cool. The only problem i ever had was a woman going after my man, or escorting in the clubs only to take business outside of the club. Other than that do you're thing i do mine.

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    I don't think this explanation works that well for Texas strip clubs and Texas dancers but I don't have time to further dissect this topic by regional nuances....

    Sporty, I'm with Sandy on this one: you're "I'm the king of raincoaters who likes to turn out dumb young girls" spiel is starting to grate the nerves. Don't know why I usually enjoy it, don't stop because of my crappy mood

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    Don't worry Kat, he won't
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    I think the moral to this story folks is that all classifications are the subjective opinion of the one making them (see my club classifications in the other Sluts vs. Slobs thread).

    We all like to put things in nice convienent pidgeonholes, but the reality of things are seldom that neat and defined. There really no problem with doing this as long as one realizes there are exceptions to every rule, and that sometimes the exceptions aren't that exceptional.
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    Well said, Doc.


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    Doc-carfish...I love your little mt. dew thingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Sporty, I'm with Sandy on this one: you're "I'm the king of raincoaters who likes to turn out dumb young girls" spiel is starting to grate the nerves. Don't know why I usually enjoy it, don't stop because of my crappy mood
    Kat, the clubs in my metro area are nude and high contact with alcohol. I'll break down any promising new dancer to find out what she likes and does well. Then I'll help her put it back together in a package that makes bank without turning her out.

    I'm not a raincoater. I can max out on eye contact and a little dry munching. I buy topless dances, not nude. But if a dancer wants to have safe fun and I like her, I'll go there to stay connected.

    I talk to dancers about health risk management. I'm not a white knight. I know free cocaine can take most of my favorites down. We're all passing through a high risk subculture.

    This discussion of nice girls and sluts made me think about what works. I really don't know.

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    Brittany, I like your classifications, that's been pretty much my experience too. And I've also known regualr drug users who were nice girls including my ATF but I think she would have eventually become a slut if she hadn't cured her habit. Incidently I don't mean to be disrespectful of anyone by using terms like slut and slob but you gotta admit, everyone knew what I was talking about. I've had some wonderful times in crappy clubs with girls that I'd characterize here as sluts. And I've had some terrible times with some nice girls in GC's. So it's really hard to generalize but the alternative is to just relate experiences. And there's no question that regional differences are huge.
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    An older house mother at my fav club has been around thousands of dancers over the years. She describes the most popular girls as "naughty but nice".
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    "Naughty but nice" pretty accurately describes the type of girl I look for, but I usuallly use the term "playful" which means about the same thing to me. Or as I once wrote in a poem about me ATF, "An angel on a pedestal or the devil in disguise, I was never really sure, both lurk deep within her eyes."
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    A smart dancer will quickly re-adapt her "personality" to what the customer desires. We are some of the best improvisational actors around. Just remember, she might be 180 degrees different in her real life and you will NEVER know......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    A smart dancer will quickly re-adapt her "personality" to what the customer desires. We are some of the best improvisational actors around. Just remember, she might be 180 degrees different in her real life and you will NEVER know......
    Bingo! This is all any reasonably intelligent man needs to know before entering a strip club if he wants to have a good time and not do anything emotionaly or financialy stupid.
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    Funny, but surely I can't be the only person who doesn't fit any of those catagories? I am a *married* mother, with no alcohol or drug habits, and no-mileage. I get along with management, coworkers, and customers, show up for work on time, do my shift, hustle my ass off, and go home to my husband and kids. Yet I work in an all nude BYOB club, and all dances are air dances. What gives? I see a lot of people agreeing with these classifications, but it has not been my experience IRL.
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