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    That's a kind of vague title, sorry. Anyway, at your club how much of your income is from tips and how much from rooms, dances, etc.?

    That's one of the problems, I feel, at my club, because so much of your success depends on how much you ask the customer for. We only have lapdances, and those are $20, half of which goes to the house (the house charges up front, so you can't make deals or anything without throwing in your own money) - some nights your cover charge gets you a free dance, dancer keeps $5 for doing those. Most girls ask for $10-20 tips per dance, but I never felt comfortable with that, plus they never ask prior to starting the dance, so some guys will just give them $3-4 [and consequently get pissed for being asked for a tip upfront, but that's a different story]. Other ones just seem to find regulars who hand them a lot of money. *shrug* Also one of the reasons I felt more comfortable in GGC Baltimore, because you could sell a lot of different stuff and the dance price was already high enough to not warrant a tip. Stage is random, sometimes you make $10 the whole night, sometimes $20 per set and five or so sets a night.

    So, I was wondering how the situation is elsewhere? Do you make more of your money by asking for or being given tips, or from dances/rooms/etc? Or is your club mainly a stage club with only an occasional lapdance or room?
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    Default Re: Distribution of Earnings

    The ability of dancers to 'troll for tips' above and beyond the basic price of private dances without pissing off customers depends on two things.

    First, it depends on whether or not you have provided the customer with "more" than standard contact levels during the dances you have given him. If you have, then expecting a sizeable tip is viewed as a 'quid pro quo' by customers.

    Second, it depends on the 'economic status' of the club you are dancing in. If the club is 'top shelf' i.e. upscale customers come in expecting to drop lots of green, then they're not going to mind shelling out extra money in tips just for the hell of it. On the other hand, if the club is 'blue collar' i.e. working stiffs come in expecting to get their money's worth for every dollar they spend, then asking for a tip without offering something specific in return will likely be viewed as a rip-off.

    There's also another subjective factor which can come into play. If you're one of the 'hottest' girls in your club then you can probably get away with more tip trolling, based on the presumption that you're offering 'higher quality merchandise' to customers than most other dancers in the club.

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    Luna, honestly I can't wait for you to get the hell out of there and back down to Baltimore. At least down here you get a reasonable amount for dances. A $20 dance and 50% split is utter bullshit. It's one thing to sell $10 dances, you can sell more of those and make decent money that way, but to have to sell $20 dances and turn over half the money is completely ridiculous. Guys won't buy as many dances at the $20 price as at the $10 price, so you wind up making less money. Geez, I get pissed off just reading all the crap about your club

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    Default Re: Distribution of Earnings

    My club is definately lap dance orientated. Stage tips aren't really forthcoming tho' I have made a decent amount here and there (sometimes $50 within a space of 3-4 minutes). Besides the fact that the no. of times you appear on stage is dependant upon the no. of dancers working...... the more dancers that work... the less no. of times you'll be able to appear on stage.

    I have known of nights (usually Fri, Sat) where dancers only appear once on stage for the whole entire night (we're talking 8pm until 4.30am)!

    Therefore, the majority of my money is made via lap dances. I do not mind asking for tips these days as I personally feel I give a really quality dance therefore the tip is just a nice way of saying Thank You I really enjoyed the dance.

    Not to mention that tipping isn't a cultural thing like it is in America here in Australia.... therefore, if you don't ask.. you won't know if you will or will not get a tip.

    I only usually ask for a tip in re: the 20 min dances at my club as they are $80 and most customers will hand me two $50 notes (or even $100 note)... I then conviently don't offer them their change until the end of the dance and whilst I offer to give them their change.. I do mention (without being pushy) that if they had a great time, it is okay to tip me. I've sometimes gotten the whole $100 due to asking.

    edit to add: It is strip club ettiquette (and culture) here in Australia to pay the dancer up-front as dances are usually done in "time allotments" of 10 min, 20 min, 30 min, 45 min and 1 hour. There is a 5 min allotment however no one really mentions this unless they really really have to mention it.. or if the customer only really wants to continue on for that amount of time.


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    Default Re: Distribution of Earnings

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Luna, honestly I can't wait for you to get the hell out of there and back down to Baltimore. At least down here you get a reasonable amount for dances. A $20 dance and 50% split is utter bullshit. It's one thing to sell $10 dances, you can sell more of those and make decent money that way, but to have to sell $20 dances and turn over half the money is completely ridiculous. Guys won't buy as many dances at the $20 price as at the $10 price, so you wind up making less money. Geez, I get pissed off just reading all the crap about your club
    I totally agree. I have danced at a club where dances were $20-the dancer keeps $10 and the club keeps $10. Not only that, but there was also a minimum tip out of $15 to $55 a night (which was split among the MC, manager, and floor guys)depending upon the night! And this club is supposedly one of the best clubs in Wisconsin!

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    Stage is something I do for fun and marketing, as I can line up several dances from stage, or just pay to stay off. Stage tips are almost always given back to the house as housefee and tipouts. Thus, I would say that before tip consideration, 100% of my take-home earnings is from lap dances, with some variance. This is Texas of course, where stage tipping isn't big but house fees are very reasonable.....

    I charge $20 a song, standard Texas mileage, all goes to me minus expenses and taxes, aka EBT. I hardly ever ask for a tip unless some instinct kicks in that the guy won't get upset with it.

    Other factors in asking for tips:
    -Is the guy an out of towner from a place where tipping is common, such as the northeast?
    -Have I spent a long time conversing prior to closing sale? I seldomly wait more than a song or 2. I generally push dances quickily and will hang out and have a drink w the dude afterwards if he wants to "talk"
    -Did the guy have a strange request, such as domination? (not extras)
    -Did he spooge his pants?
    -If the waitress hooks us up w a good quiet spot in CR or something and gives great service, I will ask him for an extra $10-20 to give to her directly.
    -If I might be called to stage soon, I might ask customer for $20 to DJ to be skipped.

    Its easy for me to upsell with the same guy as I give a high quality initial lapdance with a little left to the imaginiation. Thus, at least 40% of my customers are buying 2-5 lapdances from me.

    50% of earnings comes from customers buying 5+ lapdances. I seldomly ask for a tip here, especially if we take very few breaks.

    The other 10% are often guys who are trying out a variety of girls or only want one dance in total....I seldomly ask them for tips either because it would just take too much time to convince them when I can move onto a better spender.

    Thus, in an average night, 93% of EBT from lapdances, with maybe 3-5% of earnings from tip and stage. Very unscientific, but a good rough guess.

    BTW, we don't have VIP room flat rates here......

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    Default Re: Distribution of Earnings

    Seventy to eighty percent from champagne rooms, twenty to thirty percent from lap dances and stage tips.



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    CrescentLuna -

    I agree with Bridgette. Your club sucks donkey balls.

    Just started at a new club this week and so far I LOVE IT (as much as I can love any SC).

    A good estimate is 90% from private dances and 10% from stage tips. I don't ask for tips on top of what I get for privates. Sometimes I get tipped extra and it's a pleasant surprise.

    Dances are $25, no more, no less. $5/song goes to the house. I don't make much on stage at all. Stage is more for advertising the private dances anyway so I don't expect to walk off with much.

    This club is such huge change from my last, it just AMAZES me. Former club was a 18+ BYOB nasty lapdance factory. It was sooooooo into porn stars and actually encouraging the girls to break the rules. You know strippers who are really into the stripper "lifestyle"? Weird, but this CLUB/management was that way. Totally caught up in the lifestyle. Naturally, the customers followed suit and treated the dancers like CRAP. That's the only place where I said to myself, "so this is what it feels like to be degraded and objectified."

    New club is 21+ BYOB. Very upscale and takes security SERIOUSLY. They pat everyone down and ask to inspect all cell phones to make sure they aren't camera phones. Clientele is 80% white collar professional 20% well-paid/well-behaved blue collar. This is the routine.... approach table, smile, ask if they are waiting for anyone, if no, then ask to join them, introductions and small talk for no more than 2-3 songs, ask if they'd care for a private dance. Most get at least 2 dances. It's never been this easy. Maybe it's because I'm a new face...

    Hmmmm.... I think I'll figure out what my close rate is tonight. I'd estimate between 75-90%. I wasn't even on the schedule for tonight. I actually ASKED TO WORK. Crazy. A good club makes all the difference in the world.
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    Melonie, most of the dancers don't promise anything extra [I've heard more than enough spiels to know] they just spring it on the guy once he's already paid the house. But anyway, I'd say a couple of years ago this was an upscale club, and maybe once upon a time guys would shower you with tons of money if you asked politely, but not since I've started.

    LOL, Bridgette, soon! One day I'll stop complaining [no, ha, I'll complain about something in Baltimore or elsewheres!]. Did I mention they call it "stealing dances" when a dancer, say, does a second song but doesn't give the house money for it?

    Tip-out here is 100% of first dance or $20 and whatever to DJ, about $5-15 unless I had a killer night (plus half of dances, but that's variable, some nights $20, some nights $100).

    I thought I'd ask because I've seen a few posts on "do you ask for tips also?" and wondered if other places it was becoming more standard to always for tips.
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    Hi
    I don't do stage so all my $ is from lapdances and vip rooms. I ask for tips. The club does not like it, and it has pissed off a couple customers, but it pays off more often than not.

    I'm in a very upscale club, so I ask nicely... when the waitress brings the credit-card slip, I tell them

    'the total is ___, and you don't have to tip me if you don't think I deserve it'.

    Then, they ALWAYS write in the tip for me... except 3 times... and two of those were jerks, and the other said he was super-close to his cc limit and didn't want it to be declined. And I believed him

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    I would sooner upsell my dances (i.e. charge $80 for 2 dances instead of $60) rather than ask for tips; its tacky and makes the dancer look desperate.
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    they usually just tip me i dont really ask for it...

    but if i need money that bad ill just charge a tad more..

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    my club takes out 1/2 from each dance aswell... but if i have to pay more to get more then i will..

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