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    Some people in this world will still claim he is misunderstood and that it's all wrong. Those people also support OJ Simpson.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/11/jackson/index.html

    Source: Fingerprints of Jackson, boy on magazines

    Evidence seized in November 2003 raid on Neverland ranch



    LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Fingerprints of Michael Jackson and those of his accuser have been found on "pornographic magazines" seized during a raid on the pop singer's Neverland ranch, a source familiar with the case told CNN.
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    The boy and his family also claim to have been held captive on the property.

    They were also there when Jackson was away, and allegedly had "free run" of the property in the entertainer's absence, a source told CNN.

    They were "into everything," crashing golf carts and being generally "disruptive," the source said.
    Hmm, if they were held captive why did they hang around while he was away?


    It seems that most young boys have a knack for finding hidden porn. It is possible that the boy in question found the porn on his own, and THAT's how his fingerprints got on it.


    Also, so what if he had a wine cellar under the ranch? Don't most rich people?


    I dunno, but that article doesn't offer much proof of guilt to me. If one plans on convicting the guy I should hope they come up with something better than that.


    And whether or not I believe MJ abused some boy has absolutely nothing to do with whether I believe OJ is guilty. Two separate cases, with two totally different bodies of evidence. Evidence, btw, that none of us will ever fully be aware of - given that, I couldn't decide one way or another. Glad it's not my job to sit in judgement.

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    I tend to agree......and if I was on the jury, I would be willing and able to be much more skeptical of the "evidence". Since I am not, however, I am comfortable in saying that I fully believe he is guilty as Hell.
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    The porn was Barely Legal.

    Seems appropriate for MJ.
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    I don't know. I saw MJ talking with Barbara Walters some time back, and he did say the boys also slept with him, that it's normal/natural.

    I think MJ just is a tad messed up. He loves children he says, that's fine. But still you don't sleep with little boys in the same beds, it's wrong. Alot about this has raised concerns.

    At any rate, he is rich,he will get off easy enough it seems. Great performer, hope none of this crap happened, and that people just want money, which is wrong too. Now if he had KIDDIE porn.... But we don't lnow that. Barely legal is 18.

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    Was the porn mags women or men I wonder? I dont think 15 year old boys want to look at other boys. So if it was boys that would make him look more guilty like he was showing it to the boy.

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    I truly don't see what difference it could possibly make whether they were boys or girls or children or adults. It was ridiculously inappropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo
    I tend to agree......and if I was on the jury, I would be willing and able to be much more skeptical of the "evidence". Since I am not, however, I am comfortable in saying that I fully believe he is guilty as Hell.
    I have heard his latest release has only sold 14,000 copies WORLD WIDE. So all this is catching up to his ass.

    That said, if someone goes to jail simply for being "weird" aka out of societal norms, then we are in for a pretty puritan society for the coming years.

    Personally, none of my kids would be staying at Michael's house. I don't think I would even be letting them go there during the day.

    And I believe there is a little to much smoke for there to be no fire. But it needs to be proved otherwise we can become a society ruled by liars and the suspicious.

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    That's the other issue...the parents should be beat. HELLO?
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    I always felt that Michael Jackson suffers from regressed childhood syndrome.In his mind he is behaving like a child mainly because he was somewhat deprived of his own childhood.When he spends time with these kids I think it might be in a non-sexual nature.He thinks he's a kid ,doing kid's things with other kids.Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying this is normal behavior, just might be his motives.I really think he's A-Sexual myself. I'm not a fan of his music just playing the devil's advocate. Did you ever notice the media loves too slander people, keep you updated relentlessly about all the new developments in destroying someone they once prided themselves on building up? Record producer Phil Spector got off not long ago for the murder charge he was facing,yet that wasn't over publicized or barely made the news. Is he innocent? Have no idea. Just food for thought.
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    Michale Jackson is a molester! keep him away from young boys!

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    Since we are on topic...



    See the "Celebrity Trial Jury Selection" clip

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo
    That's the other issue...the parents should be beat. HELLO?
    This is the part i dont get,the parents.

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    Isn't it possible that these people took advantage of his 'charity', (they DID live in his house and stayed even while he was out of town after all), and then cried wolf when they figured they could get some cash out of the deal? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time somebody did something like that, especially when they know the person in question already has a bad reputation; perhaps they figured it'd be an 'easy' settlement.

    And if this boy was 15 I say he definitely got into the porn on his own. Sheesh, 15yo boys are walking erections looking for ANYTHING to jerk off to. Barely legal would be RIGHT up a 15yo's alley wouldn't ya think?

    Are all adults supposed to keep all the porn out of the house just because there are kids? Wouldn't it be reasonable for adults to keep porn hidden in their own bedrooms? The article said the porn was found in his MASTER BEDROOM AND BATH. It had the kid's fingerprints on it - which would first indicate to me that the kid most likely dug it out himself, jerked off and put it back where he found it. That's what 15yo boys do.

    For fuck's sake people! The women of the Salem Witch Trials were hanged and burned at stakes because they were weird and some jackasses accused them of being witches. Judge not lest ye be judged!

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    I agree wholeheartedly with B. She said it best.

    I've voiced my opinion on this issue before. I honestly don't think that he's guilty of anything other than being very very odd. He has an immense love for children, so people are going to beat the crap out of him for it. They've been looking for a reason to accuse him again since the accusation in 1993, which, by the way, ended with him paying the child's family a VERY hefty sum of money.

    The mother of the boy involved in this case now, originally went for a CIVIL case, seeking monetary compensation. That pretty much spells out what she was after.

    At any rate, I don't believe that he's done anything wrong now, and I don't believe he did anything wrong back in '93. I hope that I'm right. If I'm not, then, yeah, he should be punished, severely. But if he's proven innocent, I hope everyone finally leaves the guy alone, FFS.

    And how many accusations have to fly around before the PARENTS start freakin paying attention? Don't you think that hearing all of the things from 11 years ago would have kept them from sending their children to Michael's ranch?

    Anyway, I'm done venting. We'll see how it turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo
    I tend to agree......and if I was on the jury, I would be willing and able to be much more skeptical of the "evidence". Since I am not, however, I am comfortable in saying that I fully believe he is guilty as Hell.

    my thoughts exactly MOjo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    since the accusation in 1993, which, by the way, ended with him paying the child's family a VERY hefty sum of money.

    The mother of the boy involved in this case now, originally went for a CIVIL case, seeking monetary compensation. That pretty much spells out what she was after.

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    Don't you think that hearing all of the things from 11 years ago would have kept them from sending their children to Michael's ranch?
    Right.

    1. He was accused before and wound up paying the family money. Doesn't necessarily mean he was guilty, just means he was sick of the bullshit and knew that paying up would make it stop faster.

    2. New accuser tries to sue him for $$ BEFORE criminal charges are filed.

    3. He had porn in his bedroom while a kid was in the house. Oooooooh boy, if that's a crime then I reckon the vast majority of Americans ought to be burned at the stake!

    4. His 1993 accusation was so wildly publicized I will never be convinced this new kid's parents didn't know about it. They CHOSE to stay with him, they CHOSE to stay while he was out of town.

    All that spells is money hungry liars to me.

    Now I suppose it's possible he's guilty. Just like it's possible he's not. But the evidence I've seen is FAR from sufficient to convict him. I'm also willing to bet the mother went for criminal charges when she didn't get paid, thinking she could wrangle him into paying anyway.


    I swear some of the posts in this thread read exactly like the stuff I read from the Salem Witch Trials. Sheesh!

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    Exactly, B.

    One of the things that bothers me about the raids on his property, was that after one of them (I can't remember which one, there have been quite a few now), all the news focused on was "Among items seized were containers of Skin Bleaching Cream". Did they really need to seize that? It's certainly NO secret that he's lightened his skin. That's just something that has really bugged the hell out of me.

    And I also second your thought about the magazine. I have no doubt in my mind that the kid saw it, and played around, which is why his prints are on it. I don't see anything wrong with Michael having those types of magazines in his possession. If anyone really does, then they should feel that way about ANYONE who has them, and has children. Now, I'm sorry, the fact that the magazine(s) were there, and that the kid's prints were on them, does not prove molestation. They're reaching, just looking for things to try and prove their claims.

    Another thing is that it's been said that Michael has videotaped just about EVERYTHING since he was a child, for his own memories. It has also been said that they seized all videotapes at his ranch, and found NOTHING. There are cameras all over that place.. Don't you think SOMETHING would have been caught on tape? Yeesh.

    But you're right, B.. It is just like the Witch Trials. All it takes is one or two people to say something, and people start lighting their torches or preparing the gallows. Blech.

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    We all agree he's very eccentric.And why in hell would any parent allow the risk of violation of their child/children after he has been publicly accussed of such acts repeatedly so often? If I had children and I suspected any inappropriate behavior by ANYONE! I would quickly remove them from any contact they might have with that person.Babysitter,Relatives,any one.Then I'd settle the score...

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    sigh....

    if you're THAT rich, how can you also be THAT stupid????

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    Having money does not raise your IQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo
    Having money does not raise your IQ.
    Nor does it equate class. But you can hire people that can be smart for you

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    1-Any parent that sends their 12 year boy to stay overnight, alone and unsupervised, with a 44 year old man (IIRC, those were their ages when this happened) needs to be charged with child neglect. Now, throw in that we're talking about Michael Jackson here, who everyone knows may have molested boys in the past, and I might up that charge to abuse. Those parents are idiots, plain and simple (or, if they are con artists, then they truly deserve a place in hell for putting a child up to something like this).

    2-The porn mags...it might depend on where they were found. If they were in MJ's nightstand, then yeah, I might believe that a kid could find them. If they were locked away somewhere that no kid could get at, I'd call this a smoking gun. Either way, it sure as hell doesn't help Jackson's case.

    3-Why doesn't someone in Jackson's life, like a friend or family member, sit down with him and say "Michael, you're 44. 44 year old men shouldn't be "sharing their bed" with 12 year old boys...even if to you it's innocent and whatever, it's not normal and at the very least it's inappropriate. Stop doing it."

    4-He is guilty as sin. I seem to remember that the boy is able to describe Jackson's penis/private parts area for police. Even without that, we have-

    a) a 44 year old man sleeping in the same bed with a 12 year old boy
    b)this man has been accused of molestation in the past
    c)this man paid off earlier accusers
    d)this man claims to love and want to help children...but I never hear of him helping girls, only boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde

    a) a 44 year old man sleeping in the same bed with a 12 year old boy
    b)this man has been accused of molestation in the past
    c)this man paid off earlier accusers
    d)this man claims to love and want to help children...but I never hear of him helping girls, only boys.
    You've never heard of him helping girls? only boys? MJ has helped thousands of children worldwide. I think he didn't have much of a childhood and he thinks he is a kid now. He has serious mental problems, but you know what? Most people I have met have some kind of mental issues. Some more serious than others, but alot of people of mental illnesses. Here in the USA there is a label for any mental condition you may be going through. The media loves to embelish. This makes for good watching. He had been accused of molestation in the past and the parents still let their 12 year old son (who also had cancer if I recall correctly) stay with him? I know why. How about they trusted Michael. They know the is a truly kind person that would never hurt their child. I honestly think if MJ wanted sexual relations with a boy, he's rich enough to move to a country where the age of consent is 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyraBanks
    You've never heard of him helping girls? only boys? MJ has helped thousands of children worldwide. I think he didn't have much of a childhood and he thinks he is a kid now. He has serious mental problems, but you know what? Most people I have met have some kind of mental issues. Some more serious than others, but alot of people of mental illnesses. Here in the USA there is a label for any mental condition you may be going through. The media loves to embelish. This makes for good watching. He had been accused of molestation in the past and the parents still let their 12 year old son (who also had cancer if I recall correctly) stay with him? I know why. How about they trusted Michael. They know the is a truly kind person that would never hurt their child. I honestly think if MJ wanted sexual relations with a boy, he's rich enough to move to a country where the age of consent is 12.
    No doubt,Love him or hate him he has donated an incredible amount of money to many causes.Remember the kid Ryan who was dying from Aids and how much he helped him and his family?
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