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    Default Urosevich Brothers - Voting Machine Fraud

    Why don’t most Americans know that 80% of all votes are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S? Why don’t most Americans know that both Diebold and ES&S are run by the Urosevich brothers who are major supporters of the Bush campaign?


    How come there is no federal agency with regulatory authority over the U.S. voting machine industry? How come all of the voting machine errors detected in the last two elections went in favor of Bush and Republican candidates?
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    Why have 12 journalists been jailed in the last two months? How come the main stream media is not allowed to provide our citizens with news that is objective, accurate, unbiased, fair and informative without having to risk going to jail? What ever happened to the Fairness Doctrine?


    How come the main stream media is not covering the election fraud protests which are occurring nation wide?
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    Let's set aside that fallacious assertion--which is demonstrably false by the mere premise of an absolute condition (that being, "all errors")--that electronic voting machines are part of a global GOP conspiracy for world domination...

    All voting machines and methods are designed in accordance with the contractual provisions that are submitted by the buying municipality, county or state. As with any other local, state or federal government procurement regime, the buying government agencies set the terms of the contract and the specifications to which the machines must adhere; these companies merely fulfill the contracts.

    As for journalists in contempt, they go to jail all the time to protect sources; that's the price they pay. This is not a new phenomena. They usually get out once their sources either come forward or the presiding judges decide they're no longer in contempt.

    As for not covering these fraud protests, sore losers grouped outside state buildings only have so much newsworthiness.

    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    Why don’t most Americans know that 80% of all votes are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S? Why don’t most Americans know that both Diebold and ES&S are run by the Urosevich brothers who are major supporters of the Bush campaign?


    How come there is no federal agency with regulatory authority over the U.S. voting machine industry? How come all of the voting machine errors detected in the last two elections went in favor of Bush and Republican candidates?



    Why have 12 journalists been jailed in the last two months? How come the main stream media is not allowed to provide our citizens with news that is objective, accurate, unbiased, fair and informative without having to risk going to jail? What ever happened to the Fairness Doctrine?


    How come the main stream media is not covering the election fraud protests which are occurring nation wide?
    because the usa is loosing control of the country to religious idealogy and dictatorship syle policies.

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    Default Re: Urosevich Brothers

    Casual Observer - What in the world are you trying to say? I did not use the term "all errors" and I did not say anything about a GOP conspiracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    absolute condition that being, "all errors")
    Were you trying to be a grammar teacher? If so, I think the following would be a "demonstrably more all precise" lesson.


    Absolutes cannot be modified by degree, just as they cannot be modified by adverbs that imply anything more than the absolute condition ("very unique," "really square," etc.). This doesn't mean that absolute terms cannot be modified at all. It’s perfectly acceptable to say that something is "nearly square," or "almost impossible." But once the absolute condition is achieved, it can never become "more" or "most." It is also possible, of course, to modify absolutes with negative modifiers: "not unique," "never final," etc.
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    Default Re: Urosevich Brothers

    Much as I despise Bush and his administration, I am not convinced that he won due to voter fraud.

    On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me all that much, either. I don't trust him, his brother, or his dad as far as I could throw them--which puts me right in with some friends of mine who think Clinton was evil incarnate.

    I do think, though, that if there was substantial voter fraud, that a recount wouldn't turn it up, nor would any ordinary investigation.

    What I do think might well happen is that some scandal such as Watergate will surface, and then we will see some amazing things.
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    Default Re: Urosevich Brothers

    I did not use the term "all errors" and I did not say anything about a GOP conspiracy.
    You didn't?

    How come all of the voting machine errors detected in the last two elections went in favor of Bush and Republican candidates?
    Did you not type this?

    All implies just that--

    --Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity
    --Constituting, being, or representing the total extent or the whole
    --Being the utmost possible of
    --Every
    --Any whatsoever
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    OMG! Casual Observer-- Must we really be so trivial about such an important discussion?
    How about actually discussing the issue of the topic that I have presented in this post - election fraud. If you are not interested in discussing this topic, maybe you should find an absolute topic that conditionally interests you.
    But please, let's not forget the most demostably important premise of all absolute conditions ---"all of the voting machine errors" is not the same as "all errors".
    Wow! I have finally achieved Nirvana because I am so smart.
    OMG- wait a minute, I think I forgot a comma. OMG! OMG!!
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    ^ Hey, you're the one that made the assertion that all the machine errors in the last two elections went in favor of the GOP candidates running. If that's not what you meant, then say so, but it's otherwise a demonstrably false statement.

    This is not to say that debate over the integrity of the electoral system is of no value, only to suggest that instead of looking at conspiratorial possibilities that we focus on proceedural and systemic issues that are quantifiable and capable of being addressed in a serious fashion. The Help America Vote Act of 2002 is doing just that, albeit slower than probably most would like, self included.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    My opinion as to why more is not being questioned is large scale corruption in the US government.
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    LL, she actually did say that (about voting machine errors) and he quoted it in his second post.

    CO and LNGU, you've both made your points. Please don't recycle the arguement.

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    *takes off moderator hat and thinks about the issue*

    I think for me the bigger question is why are the democrats not participating in/ignoring the voting issues? Why did the Greens have to be the ones to initiate and follow through with the Ohio recount?

    Is it that the vote is legit and the Dems know it? Or are they honestly disregarding a fraudulent election because they care more about national cohesion? Or are they part of the "conspiracy"?

    I think we (or me at least) don't have enough information to really know what's going on, and that's really frustrating.



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    My impression of an outfit that calls itself "indepependent" is about the same as an ideologue who self-describes as "objective."

    But with that disclaimer, .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Much as I despise Bush and his administration, I am not convinced that he won due to voter fraud.
    Have you rented that movie called "The Manchurian Candidate"? I love dvds! So many options that are really interesting.
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