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    Default Re: Question for Club Owners on cover charge.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    heheheheheheheh
    I would guess he isnt a club owner though before ya sink yer teeth into him,no club owner in his right mind would touch this post with a ten foot pole!!!

    I think what he is saying is that there are way to many variebles to really answer this question correctly and with a blanket statement that would cover most clubs.
    Yes, I know. But we all know this is just an anonymous board on the internet, and with the wide variance of clubs around the world, it wouldn't hurt a clubowner one little bit to answer the question anonymously and in terms relevant to his club.

    I was merely pointing out that even in an anonymous forum such as this, clubowners wouldn't DARE risk letting the dancers know they make more money from customers than they let on I mean, they're all just a housefee shy of bankruptcy at any given moment, right?

    But of course we strippers are all just too stupid to understand anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ/Mandi
    One thing the door fee doesnt cover is the show. Just like at the fair , if you want to see the shows and ride the rides, you gotta pay to play.

    What you pay at the gate only gets you in
    EXCELLENT analogy.

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    Default Re: Question for Club Owners on cover charge.

    I've stayed out of this thread because I am not a club owner and the point of the thread is to solicit a response from an owner. I do own a different business and, from the sound of it, a much more profitable one. People on the board also know that I'm on TV regularly (as an expert, not as a flack) and do national speaking tours, so I have my hands in a few different commercial operations.

    I can't see any scenario where the cover drives revenue for any club. It can't be that way because the cover is a vanishingly small percentage of total revenue when compared to the bar take and percentages from dancer activities. What does a good regular spend in a club between bar tab, food and dances (if any)? From $200 on the low end to $1,000 on the high end? I've had my $3,000 days (and a few far beyond that), but $1K to $2K is about standard for me. I can't run a decent open table for all the dancers and tip well for anything less than that. Even the guys nursing lite beers in the corner and who buy a handful of laps are spending $100, minimum. Gawkers pay near zero and the bachelor parties tip the scale downward. Even with these guys leveling things out, a $5 cover is invisible and a $20 cover is two drinks.

    The point of the cover is obviously to filter out the rif-raff, as others have observed. It performs the same role as charging 35 cents for a newspaper. If you pay a token fee, you are much more likely to read the newspaper and value it. That's more important to the publisher than the lousy 35 cents. Their revenue stream is all advertising. The fee itself doesn't even pay for the price of the paper on which it's printed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Yes the cover charge can pay for alot.
    If you figure 10 bucks a head,300 people in the door,thats 3000 a night in cash,no overhead other then 5-6 dollars an hour for a cashier to collect it.
    x 30 days a month=90,000 dollars.
    300 people every single night, including Sundays and the dead of mid-week? That's one hell of a draw, isn't it?

    Slice that in half. Since they don't want to lose their liquor license or their adult entertainment license, or spend 20 years in the federal pen because an underpaid disgruntled employee rats them out to the IRS, the club owner will come clean on a lousy $45K. It doesn't even cover the real-estate taxes for the garage. Hell, I spend more on attorneys and accountants than that!

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    I dunno, but I think the door cover generates more than that in most cases. Compare cover charges in a SC to those in a regular bar. Not talking about portion of income, talking about covering expenses. How do all those regular bars manage to stay afloat by charging lower covers and drink prices, AND not charging employees to work? Seems to me the SCs are raking in much more than they want to admit. Of course it doesn't help their case to admit that when trying to explain to girls why they charge them so much to work.

    Won't hear any owner admitting it to a customer either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    300 people every single night, including Sundays and the dead of mid-week? That's one hell of a draw, isn't it?

    Slice that in half. Since they don't want to lose their liquor license or their adult entertainment license, or spend 20 years in the federal pen because an underpaid disgruntled employee rats them out to the IRS, the club owner will come clean on a lousy $45K. It doesn't even cover the real-estate taxes for the garage. Hell, I spend more on attorneys and accountants than that!
    I have worked with plenty of those employees who help managers fudge the books on the door take. You can bet they're getting something in return. It's largely a cash business and you can bet every club has some cash go under the table.

    And I dunno about you, but not many people call $45k per month lousy, especially when you're talking about that amount being an extremely small portion of the club's overall take. At that amount, you're talking half a million annually JUST in cover charges. I reckon that'll cover a whole lotta taxes.

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    I've heard the "it keeps out the riff raff" line numerous times. What blows the theory in my mind is the fact that most clubs raise the cover charge when they have a feature. Are they trying to raise the bar on riff raff to protect the delicate sensibilities of that ex porn star? No, they are trying to recover some of the appearance fee that the feature is charging them and also taking advantage of her drawing power to, hello! MAKE MORE MONEY.



    Another observation: The highest regular nightly cover charge in the city of Providence is charged by the only club without a liquor license-it's BYOB. Is this because?

    A: Guys who drink water cause a lot more trouble than guys who drink beer.

    B: Guys who carry in their own beer drink more and puke in the men's room thus increasing cleaning expenses.

    Or

    C: Clubs derive the vast majority of their revenue from liquor sales and, since this club doesn't have the revenue stream of selling beer purchased from a wholesaler at strip club prices they need a higher cover charge to MAKE MORE MONEY.

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    or D. - because they CAN i.e. customers are willing to pay the high cover charge for the privelege of seeing and/or touching and/or doing even more with totally nude girls !

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    Default Re: Question for Club Owners on cover charge.

    Still, it's ultimately a way to make more money

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ/Mandi
    One thing the door fee doesnt cover is the show. Just like at the fair , if you want to see the shows and ride the rides, you gotta pay to play.

    What you pay at the gate only gets you in
    Well yes, but last I checked, the people who ran the fair didn't charge me to watch the Merry Go Round or Tilt-A-Whirl from a distance.

    After paying the "gate", the customer has the right to peruse the midway to seek which specific attractions he wants to spend his/her money on. He/she is in no way obliged to ride every ride, see every show, or play every carnival game. If after checking everything out, the customer conclludes there are no rides worth riding, shows worth seeing, or games worth playing, they are free to walk out without spending so much as another nickel.

    If the fair owner ran things where the customer was obliged to do those things, the customers would probably stop showing up, hence no "gate" fees being collected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    And I dunno about you, but not many people call $45k per month lousy, especially when you're talking about that amount being an extremely small portion of the club's overall take. At that amount, you're talking half a million annually JUST in cover charges. I reckon that'll cover a whole lotta taxes.
    It's lousy in the sense that it's not worth going to prison for. The problem with breaking the law is that you can't unbreak it. Say some employee gets pissed off when he's booted out for harassing a dancer. Next step is for the disgruntled employee to rat out the owner, who is a sitting duck. He can't quit and run. He can lose his business. Of course, judging from some of the stupidity club owners regularly exhibit, perhaps I am giving them too much credit.

    Anyway, running a large business (anything with a seven- or eight-figure revenue stream) is insanely more expensive than any reasonable person can even imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    Anyway, running a large business (anything with a seven- or eight-figure revenue stream) is insanely more expensive than any reasonable person can even imagine.
    I would agree with this on every business except the strip club industry.

    Its almost all pure profit,every aspect,thats why the permits are so coveted and hard to get in most markets.

    What other industry can you name that is staffed by mostely illegal workers,under illegal working conditions??
    None.
    Even farmers are regulated now with illegal pickers and workers,the strip clubs are not.
    The local laws and abc boards decide guidlines,Owners are the law within that.

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    One odde thing about cover charges: There were a few clubs in the Carolinas that charged
    a mandatory "coat check" fee if a customer came in wearing a coat in addition to the cover.
    Pretty weird. Just another way for a club to make money aside from super high ATM fees,
    way overpriced cigarretes and alcohol, etc. But owners should remember to leave some
    money for the dancers. In most places, if we do well, the club gets a better %... not to
    mention better/more dancers are attracted to work at the club and more customers want to
    go there if they don't feel so ripped off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah

    Strip clubs may be said to have two products, one more expensive than the other, but neither free. One is the "ride". That's the luxury product, the private dance. The other product is naked boobs and pussy. It was the original product sold by clubs, and is still the reason some patrons go there. If you're looking at the naked women, you are "consuming" the product itself, not merely browsing the merchandise. If you're using the product, you're obligated to pay for it.
    Listen to the wise Panda guys. He gets it. The cover charge gets you access to only the building where the stuff and services you came for are sold ! The stuff and the services are not included in the cover charge.

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    Yes Owner, from my experience, I think you're giving them way too much credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myssi
    One odde thing about cover charges: There were a few clubs in the Carolinas that charged
    a mandatory "coat check" fee if a customer came in wearing a coat in addition to the cover.
    Pretty weird. Just another way for a club to make money aside from super high ATM fees,
    way overpriced cigarretes and alcohol, etc. But owners should remember to leave some
    money for the dancers. In most places, if we do well, the club gets a better %... not to
    mention better/more dancers are attracted to work at the club and more customers want to
    go there if they don't feel so ripped off.
    Its all about the 20 dollar bill.
    Alot of clubs are adopting this principle.
    Everything is gearing towards breaking a 20,and having to go to the ATM to get more 20's.
    Everyone knows,once you break a 20,its pretty much gone very soon.
    Just the cover and the first beer should run just under 20 bucks,whats left is tipped to the doorgirl or bartender/waitress.20 gone,needs to hit the ATM to get more at 5-7 dollars atm use fee.Alot of ATM's are now programmed to only dispense 100 at a time.
    Once he has 100(5- 20's)Everything in the club is geared towards attacking each one.Lapdance is usually 20 bucks.Now he has 4 and needs another beer by this time,now he has 3 and so on and so on.
    He has spent 60 bucks in the first 10 mins if the pattern is followed and he hasnt tipped the stage yet.The club get about 45 out of the 60 dollars,not counting the ATM fee they get.

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    Ok I know I've posted this b4 but it was a long time ago.
    I'm far from the normal according to what I hear in here. My charge's are as follow's; Cover is $8, House fee for a weekend night is $13 per dancer and I get $5 from each $15 LD. The dancer is required to tipout the DJ 5% and my 3 staff $2 min. each. If not for the door fee I wouldn't be able to stay open. I am a full nude juicebar though so I miss out on the enormous profit gained by my semi-nude liquor serving compeditor's. Oh and I claim every dime the club make's and I pay sales tax on the cover charge. Hope this helped.

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    Default Re: Question for Club Owners on cover charge.

    Yeah Bob you're far from normal. Welcome back btw

    I might also add to my previous comments, that the door take isn't nearly the only thing that often gets fudged on in SCs. It's probably just the easiest and most obvious to point out.

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