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    Default Name 5 one party governments in history

    1- Soviet Communists
    2- Baath Party-Iraq
    3- Khymer Rouge-Cambodia
    4- Nazi Party-Germany
    5- Republican party-USA

    Name five things they share in common:

    1- excessive debt & spending
    2- overzealous use of the military
    3- dissenters branded as traitors and unpatriotic
    4- a strong propaganda network
    5- All but one no longer exists (so far).

    Even though one party systems throughout history have been a total disaster and nightmare, this is what republicans want for America.
    I can't wait for the GOP to implode while alienating the center with their extremism. It's already happening. The moderates in the GOP are breaking ranks with the crackpots and radicals.

    One other thing republicans share with those other parties;
    Party loyalty before national loyalty.

    OK, there. You made me do it! I was going to avoid the political board, but I got sucked in. Are you happy now? I think I'll go chat with some strippers now... It'll make me feel better.
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    Rome under Tiberius...
    You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
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    So how bad do you think it is going to get here in the US in the next four years ?

    Do you think that we are safe untill the next election or will the GOP be coming after those of us tazers and threats of torture for not being "with "them ?

    Just kidding about the second part.... well sort of :

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    how about castro in cuba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove
    So how bad do you think it is going to get here in the US in the next four years ?
    It wont get too bad. The moderates of the GOP are not rolling over for Chimpy like he thought they would. They may actually show some credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove
    Do you think that we are safe untill the next election or will the GOP be coming after those of us tazers and threats of torture for not being "with "them ?

    Just kidding about the second part.... well sort of :
    GOP coming after us with tazers? Maybe not. More likely that Bill O'Reilly will come after us with vibrators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muyaha
    how about castro in cuba?
    I would have mentioned Cuba, but Castro is a much more responsible leader with Cuba's money than Bush is with America's.

    Where are all the crazy righties on this board? I was trying to smoke them out of their holes.

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    They are waiting around the next mountain in their thousands, eager for grim battle and slaughter. They seek to make you overconfident in victory, so that they might more easily destroy you.

    Just kidding...

    They are here, my friend, and they aren't afraid to tell you what they think!

    But we are trying to cool it in here, since things have gotten out of hand so badly before.

    Much as I am probably more inclined to agree with you on most, if not all issues, it's best not to get too provocative here--remember that Lena will have to clean up all the blood and call the undertakers to deal with the dead bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667
    GOP coming after us with tazers? Maybe not. More likely that Bill O'Reilly will come after us with vibrators.
    Nice one

    I can't say I was too surprised when he was called out on the carpet for his actions. The fact that he settled tells me he was as guilty as the day is long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    But we are trying to cool it in here, since things have gotten out of hand so badly before.

    Much as I am probably more inclined to agree with you on most, if not all issues, it's best not to get too provocative here--remember that Lena will have to clean up all the blood and call the undertakers to deal with the dead bodies.
    OK, maybe I wont summon the demons from hell anymore. Just fight them when they appear on their own in my nightmares.

    Yeah, I heard about death threats and all kinds of kooky stuff.
    Sounds like some people need to turn off Hannity and go for a walk in the park. Life has plenty of it's own real problems than to go create plastic ones out of thin air... as politics is.

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    Even though one party systems throughout history have been a total disaster and nightmare, this is what republicans want for America.
    Perhaps you're merely ignorant of the history of US governance, but in addition to the executive, the DNC ran both houses of Congress from 1933 to 1947 and from 1957 to 1981. Under this dubious straw man psuedo-analysis of what constitutes a one-party system, FDR, Truman, and Johnson all would fit your pedestrian political caricature. Especially FDR and Johnson.

    If you want to lend creedence to your disdain for the GOP/GWB administration, there's much better ways of doing it than making woefully inaccurate and reaching comparisons to totalitarian regimes; otherwise it's easy for anyone remotely objective to render your positions intellectually dishonest and bankrupt.

    But if you're just interested in creating an echo chamber in this forum rather than engaging in substantive evidentiary debate, keep on keeping on.
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    Actually, your rant is for nothing. The goal of the GOP, Karl Rove has stated as much, is a permanent GOP majority. Now are you that blindly partisan and loyal to your party before your nation that you can look at the history of one party disasters in history and still say that is a good thing for America? That is the huge difference between the Bush regime, FDR and Truman. There was never a self described "revolution" with the democrats in office as republicans are calling their power grab. Revolution is their word, "permanent majority" are their words, not mine.

    Now, you can look at the other and many comparisons of the GOP to totalitarian regimes, or you can ignore them, cause you'll feel better about yourself.

    I personally am registered as a republican. I never bothered changing my status from years ago. I vote 3rd party and now occasionally democrat.
    But I will say it, as many true conservatives also have said it many many times, they never left the GOP, the GOP left them. True conservatives are not the majority of the GOP; radicals and extremists who are power hungry are. I'll give you a substantive argument any day of the week. Just don't come back after me with typical neoconservative condesending empty rhetoric, OK?


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    After all those years of reading Ellen Goodman saying that Republicans are evil, and now I find out that it's the Republicans who are calling Democrats evil.

    What rant did CO have? He made a valid comparison, citing specific years and specific administrations. Surely he deserves a more reasoned response than, "Nyuh-uh!!! You're ranting." It's true that I do see a rant or two here, and the discriminating reader can pick it out, I'm sure.

    Each party wants to establish a permanent majority, since each party has a stranglehold on the Truth. I've heard each of them say it - it must be true.

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    The goal of the GOP, Karl Rove has stated as much, is a permanent GOP majority.
    The goal of every political party is a permanent majority; it's not about power sharing because you want to pursue your party's agenda, not that of your opposition. Did Leon Panetta have a different goal during the WJC administration? No. While you not-very-deftly deflected the argument, you cannot deny that the DNC effectively controlled the Congress and executive branches of government, through multiple wars--for as long as 34 years at a stretch--60 years if you just look at the House. That didn't make the DNC bad, evil people--that's what you're supposed to try and achieve, the permanent majority.

    Now are you that blindly partisan and loyal to your party before your nation that you can look at the history of one party disasters in history and still say that is a good thing for America?
    You don't know anything about my party alignment or political persuasion--not that either is remotely relevant to the discussion, and your ignorance of priviledged scandal in the one-party terms of the FDR and Johnson administrations--while erroneously presuming that the "disaster" that has ostensibly befallen the US under the present GOP administration is somehow unique to GWB and inappropriate examples of totalitarian governments--speaks to your own lack of understanding about the history and impact of single-party control in this country.

    There was never a self described "revolution" with the democrats in office as republicans are calling their power grab. Revolution is their word, "permanent majority" are their words, not mine.
    What are you talking about? Any time you have a minority party become the majority party after more than two terms of office, you effectively have a revolution, if not in the true Jeffersonian sense; Jefferson believe a revolution in government was necessary every twenty years. Republicans controlled both houses for ten years before FDR came into office--an election he won by campaigning on moral imperatives facing the nation. And his revolution took place over his terms by packing the courts. You want to get hung up on semantics, fine. But let's not pretend that political parties in this country are all about power sharing and carrying on the political agendas of their oppositional predecessors.

    Just don't come back after me with typical neoconservative condesending empty rhetoric, OK?
    Rhetoric? Coming from someone that starts their posts with a Godwin-esque portrayal of our current administration as totalitarian regimes that's immediately dismissable from any casual student of history, that's pretty damn funny.

    Now, you can look at the other and many comparisons of the GOP to totalitarian regimes, or you can ignore them, cause you'll feel better about yourself.
    Your "comparisons" are so superficial and shallow as to be applicable to almost any US President since Adams, definitely since TR.

    I'll give you a substantive argument any day of the week.
    We'll wait.
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    Fwiiw, I think this sort of totally over-the-top demonization of the right by the left

    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667
    1- Soviet Communists
    2- Baath Party-Iraq
    3- Khymer Rouge-Cambodia
    4- Nazi Party-Germany
    5- Republican party-USA
    and the equivalent sort of perspectiveless demonization of the left by the right in the US and the extreme political polarization it produces are far bigger problems for the country than the actual policies of any of the country's significant mainstream political movements.

    I mean, let's try to be at least marginally real about it. The first four groups on the above list all used their total (if temporatry) political power for genocidal campaigns, rounding up literally millions of people and murdering them in cold blood with the explicit intent of exterminating entire ethnic and social/political communities. Is there any real similarity to the US Republican Party? Isn't this just hyperbolic rhetoric gone out of control? And, again, this is just an example; plenty on the right are just as absurd in their villification of mainstream Democrats?

    A little perspective would be very helpful, imo. Compared to the political left and right in most major democracies, the Dems and Repubs in the US are not actually all that different. They talk a fairly different game, but if you look at what they actually do when they are in power, how they actually spend the money, what they actuallly do in similar situations and so forth, it is not all that different. For example, if you look at the distribution of, say, Federal funds for different types of programs when the Dems are in power vs the Repubs, you will see that we are talking a few percent here vs there at most.

    Anyway, to wind this rant down, I just think the Dems/Repubs both need to chill a bit and realize that there are far worse things in the world than their Repub/Dem opponents in mainstream US domestic politics. We are in danger of becoming our own worst enemies completely needlessly.

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    People convenientlly forget that for the first 2 years of Bill Clinton's first term that the Democrats had larger majorities in both houses than the Rep's will have for this congress,
    http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/...b/election.pdf

    Dempcrats had almost 300 seats in the House under Carter and a veto-proof Senate lead of 61-38.
    Table 393

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    ^ Damn, I totally forgot that.

    Leave it to MTG to wrack us with the friggin' statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    Fwiiw, I think this sort of totally over-the-top demonization of the right by the left



    and the equivalent sort of perspectiveless demonization of the left by the right in the US and the extreme political polarization it produces are far bigger problems for the country than the actual policies of any of the country's significant mainstream political movements.

    I mean, let's try to be at least marginally real about it. The first four groups on the above list all used their total (if temporatry) political power for genocidal campaigns, rounding up literally millions of people and murdering them in cold blood with the explicit intent of exterminating entire ethnic and social/political communities. Is there any real similarity to the US Republican Party? Isn't this just hyperbolic rhetoric gone out of control? And, again, this is just an example; plenty on the right are just as absurd in their villification of mainstream Democrats?

    A little perspective would be very helpful, imo. Compared to the political left and right in most major democracies, the Dems and Repubs in the US are not actually all that different. They talk a fairly different game, but if you look at what they actually do when they are in power, how they actually spend the money, what they actuallly do in similar situations and so forth, it is not all that different. For example, if you look at the distribution of, say, Federal funds for different types of programs when the Dems are in power vs the Repubs, you will see that we are talking a few percent here vs there at most.

    Anyway, to wind this rant down, I just think the Dems/Repubs both need to chill a bit and realize that there are far worse things in the world than their Repub/Dem opponents in mainstream US domestic politics. We are in danger of becoming our own worst enemies completely needlessly.

    -Ww
    I wont disagree with you. Mostly cause I'm too tired and too busy to reply. I'll just state the people that consider themselves right or left politically are less likely to be just that than moderates. The overwhelming vast majority of Americans are centrists. Yet they have been fooled by the pundits to believe they are the extremes... when the extremes are very rare. I really don't know many far right conservatives. The ones who are, are extremely annoying. I also don't know many far left liberals, they may be even more annoying. Luckily there are many shades of gray and the world is not all black and white like the parties, media and squealing partisans will lead you to believe.


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    Keep the good points coming, guys. Let's let the points that have already been made go...



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    Just to let you know, Casual Observer, I wrote you a detailed reply, but it was removed for one reason or another. I really didn't see any need to do that, but I guess you've had major problems here and someone needs to keep order. My points were concise, but perhaps I was too antagonistic when seen in the context of the issues this board has had.

    Anyway, thanks for the excellent debate. My ID name explains it all. Have a nice day.


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    Devilsadvocate, I have had my share of heated debate with CO as well, but if we were to sit down and have a beer or six with him, I think it would be a positive--if lively--experience.

    I have had friends like him before, whom I disagreed sharply with on several issues, but when all the shouting was over, I could respect them for having an intelligent and reasoned (if perhaps diametrically opposed) view. I have had friends tell me "You are so full of shit!", explain why, and then sit and listen to me tell them why their head is up their ass. We all went home liking each other just as much, maybe more.

    Unfortunately that's harder to do here--since we can't buy each other drinks or see the friendly smile on our opponent's face--so instead of being a free exchange of differing views, Political Poo often becomes a place where personalities clash, not just viewpoints. While I will probably agree with you more often than with CO, I do like having him here, too, since he isn't a predictable or a pedestrian fellow, as you can see.

    The key point is not to avoid getting excited, we all get excited about what we believe in strongly, but to avoid the temptation to attack one's opponent personally, even as we endeavor to assert the validity of our political views.

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    Yeah, we PM'd back and forth and ironed it out. Yeah, he's a decent guy.
    I don't take politics too personally, or make judgements based on politics. I only make judgements when people are acting like assholes, which he wasn't doing. I didn't agree with him, but I certainly respect his intelligence. This board seems to have more than a few bright people in it, I'm looking forward to more debates.

    I've got to lay off the chats. I've been working a little, chatting a little, chatting a little bit more, and working a lot less. This is too addicting!


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