That's one of the main reasons why I don't dance to rap because normally the under 30s like it the most and the under 30s don't have $$$$$$$$.


That's one of the main reasons why I don't dance to rap because normally the under 30s like it the most and the under 30s don't have $$$$$$$$.
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Playing hard-core rap is a great way to drive out big spenders, though there are exceptions to this rule.
I had one customer who would tip me 80$ to play hard-core rap and bad techno ("Castles in the Sky" was his favorite). I went along with it until I saw how the other customers were leaving, and that this did not bode well for the future of the club. The next time he tried I told him no. I liked the guy and we became friends, but I wasn't going to allow my instant gratification, or his, ruin our customer base.
There are always certain songs in any genre you can get away with, keeping the dancers happy and the customers in the house, happily spending their money.
Jay-Z's "Can I Get a..." is a good example of this, especially if you play the edited version, though I have played both with no problem. There is also a Ludicris song I play all the time, I forget the name since I just remember the number on the CD, lol.
But playing most other Jay-Z and Ludicris songs is asking for trouble. There is a lot of Tupac, Ice Cube, Notorius Big, Outkast, etc., that is fine and should keep everyone happy. There are others by some of these artists I avoid, as well.
I absolutely refuse to play that one that goes "I fucked his bitch, made her suck my dick...". There's no art in that, no poignant evocation of the struggle of being black in an inner city. Just an asshole bragging about how he treats women like shit, and that's not something I want the customers doing where I work.
I have a personal dislike for any music in which the singer sounds really dumb, which rules out a large amount of hard core rap, but also a lot of rock as well. Sometimes I have to stifle my own feelings, but one song I have managed to avoid playing is "Back That Ass Up" (I know, it's not really rap), despite the fact that I have it (somewhere), and have had it requested a zillion times, lol.
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I love dancing to that stuff!!Originally Posted by kryssy
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I think the only time hard rap is played in my club is when it is specificly(sp?) requested(mostly by amatuers), and even then there are certain songs the dj will refuse to play.
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I hate that rap crap (most especially the angry, type disrespectful to women) and I will leave within a few minutes if it is played (after the VIP session is done which I will cut short). This also applies, though less intensely so, to "heavy obnoxious screaming offensive rock, annoying techno, slow tedious r&b with some" stupid inane lyrics or "hideously twangy country. etc." However, I would like a steamy hot african or latin beat (even without other instruments or voices), which would bore many others. I know, odd.
I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.
Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.
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I agree-I know my club doesn't play rap because they want to keep the gangsta types out. Definitly racist. They don't seem to mind playing stuff that attracts 18 year old white college kids(damn college town) who don't tip at all. :-P I've actually been told that I can't play certain songs because they WANT to only play loud metally stuff.
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I kind of agree that it almost seems racist for a club to play angry white men music, and not hard rap, I kind of feel that a line should be drawn in both areas, try to stay relativly mainstream with the music. Off topic, but kind of similarily, a couple of years back (when I was 1clubs around here tried to enforce a dresscode which banned "athletic clothes" which they said consisted of brands like (forgive me if I get these wrong) Fubu, or pelle pelle, or anyother clothes like that, which mainly African Americans wear. You can bet how long that lasted, and how quickly the media was drawn to that.
I personally don't like this new school Nelly-esque rap or R. Kelly R&B, which is what my "home" club will play. The crowd seems to like it, depending on the dancer, but I've found that while it may get the dancer more stage tips, rarely does that equate to more table dances. At any rate, we have a good mix of music from house to techno to light rap to rock. Nothing is too heavy.
As far as clubs being racist for not playing Rap, I think it's more to keep cheap young guys and girls with that gangsta or party mentality out than to keep people of a certain race out. Most of the gangstas that I've seen come into every club I've worked at are Latino or White. Very few Black gangstas.





I forgot to say how funny this was...Originally Posted by MrChristopher
I have played some few of the livelier R.Kelly songs, but most of them are better off left at home.
He has got about the stupidest line I have ever heard, too, from that mediocre "You Remind Me of My G", in the very beginning:
"You remind me a sumpin', I just can't think a what it is..."
GREAT line, that's one to write down and use on attractive women in hotel lobbies and cocktail lounges, for sure!
I actually told everyone in the club to listen the worst line ever and played that bit, one night.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
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Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
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I personally like to dance to reggae music. I think it is up beat and sexy. Rap music is ok depending on what type of rap song it is. Not all rap is meant to be danced to. Personally, R. Kelly songs are ok if you want to slow it down but I must agree some are better left at home. He definately isn't one of the best line makers ever but to correct that guy about the song of R.Kelly's it is called " You remind me of my jeep"![]()





I feel that whatever type of music a girl chooses to dance to should be played as long as the mix of girls keeps the music genre's mixed up so that their will be enough music variety to appeal to all types of customers.
The way a club is run IMO can nullify the music because if the waitresses are friendly and give good service, the dancers are friendly and good floor workers without being too aggressive, and the DJ creates a fun atmosphere and the music isn't too loud, then most customers should have a good experience in the club.
If the club plays nothing but hip hop and attracts all young night club goers, then the place is doomed to fail as a lucrative strip club since these types of customers don't buy dances.
Yup I agree with Doc here. It's an age thing. The more upscale a club is the more over 30 crowd they get. And alot of those guys would rather listen to Rod Stewart than Dr. Dre.Originally Posted by doc-catfish
I have heard many customers complain about clubs that play alot of rap or hip hop.
I would love to dance to Black Eyes Peas "Hey Mama" but most of the time the kinds of clubs I work best in wont play something like that very often. But I can dance to something like "Where is the Love" because it's not so "hard" of a song . Just the way it goes.
I'm gonna second that and then just throw in myOriginally Posted by MrChristopher
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It's all the club atmosphere-the club I'm at now will play r&b with a little rap in the songs, but it's rare. The club I started at in NY didn't play anything but rap and reggaeton. So..........I think it's all how the music fits your club. How long are girls on stage, how old is the crowd, what kind of people come in the club, etc. etc.
I used to hate it when the DJ would play that David Banner song a little over a year ago-"Make them girls get down on the flo', on the flo'" or that "Get Low" shit, and I liked "Guasa, Guasa" until they played it like ten times every night.
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I wish more owners would loosen up a bit on the music formats. Whenever I work clubs that have set rules regarding music they're ALWAYS too damn tight.
I've worked clubs that wouldn't allow any r&b/hiphop type stuff at all - not even Janet Jackson or Jennifer Lopez, and we all know that stuff is waaaay Top40 and acceptable with most any crowd. I've worked clubs that would ONLY allow dance/club stuff or rock, and we had customers getting up and leaving because they were annoyed after sitting through a half hour of "techno".
Of course, part of the problem is that whole "give an inch they take a mile" thing. You allow mainstream r&b/hiphop but no hardcore rap, and within a week you've got girls bustin out with some jackindabitchessmackindahos stuff that runs off most average customers.
IMO, it takes a good DJ to keep a balance. I've never known an owner or manager who knew much about keeping a crowd going with a good mix of musical styles and dancer rotation. Too bad most DJs are just a bunch of stoned horndogs who wound up in the booth because he couldn't get a real job. And too bad most managers have their heads shoved so far up their own asses they can't see the light of day.





Goddam, I've said it myself so many times, but probably never so well...Originally Posted by Bridgette
Yes, it does seem to be a problem that if you make an exception and allow some rap, the floodgates are unleashed and everybody wants it, and more and more hardcore as well. Thats why I have always been a hard-ass about the hardcore rap, though I have met few DJs who weren't out to get laid that were more accomodating with the music otherwise.
The schedule is the key to allowing some rap and hiphop. Where so many DJs and clubs seem to feel its the only way to just put the dancers up as they show up to work, I will spend the first couple hours of the night, sometimes, fine-tuning the list. You give the rockers some AC/DC or STP just before and just after Notorious Big, and everybody is happy.
I learned right away that all songs have mathematical values that can be assigned. For instance, AC/DC "Back in Black" has a Rock Value of 9 or 10, compared to say 3 or so for Garbage "#1 Crush", which might be one of my favorite songs, but won't counterbalance the Ice Cube song I just played nearly so well. So I play the Garbage later.
Transitions are better if they are smooth, but the hell with them, if I can keep everybody happy by bouncing around a bit, so be it. I was amazed when my girlfriend told me that one of the biggest clubs in Detroit plays techno for an hour, rock for an hour, etc. Why they pay a DJ is beyond me, though I'm sure he makes more than I do for never saying anything other than the dancers names.
BTW, why does R Kelly think of his jeep? How romantic...I have heard that song a bunch of times and never picked up on that, lol.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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The schedule is the key to allowing some rap and hiphop. Where so many DJs and clubs seem to feel its the only way to just put the dancers up as they show up to work, I will spend the first couple hours of the night, sometimes, fine-tuning the list. You give the rockers some AC/DC or STP just before and just after Notorious Big, and everybody is happy.
I learned right away that all songs have mathematical values that can be assigned. For instance, AC/DC "Back in Black" has a Rock Value of 9 or 10, compared to say 3 or so for Garbage "#1 Crush", which might be one of my favorite songs, but won't counterbalance the Ice Cube song I just played nearly so well. So I play the Garbage later.
I agree with you Djoser. One of the best Dj's that I have worked with wouldn't put to girls that danced to the same type of music together, nor would he put two blondes ect. together.





Exactly. If managers would worry about getting GOOD DJs, rather than just some flunky who can turn the knobs while repeating the same tired line over the mic, this whole issue would be practically nonexistent.
A good DJ knows how to line up the girls so their appearance, style and musical tastes form a nice variety in the lineup. Most DJs suck though, and can't or won't pay attention enough to do that. You can get away with playing alot more variety if it's mixed up well, and the hardcore or really slow stuff is avoided. And the variety always makes for a better show and atmosphere.
we plays LOTS of rap at my club! lots of girls booty dance! i don't do either. i don't really care what another girl plays, but i have asked questions (nicely) why the girls act the way they do (some are very ghetto)- they're very different from me (considering my subculture's quite different- instead of judge, i ask). of course, they're always asking me to translate the german in my music. so i guess it trades fairly. you can pretty much play whatever you want- so there's lots of hardcore rap.
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I think it's important for DJs to play a mix of different genres/sub-genres, so that all the girls don't start blending together. This may depend on the size and type of the club, but at least if I can recognize a dancer by what was played while she was on stage (Susie's a rock girl, Dana's a hip-hopper, Tawny dances to techno, etc.) it makes it easier for me to pick her out of a crowd.
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We can dance to whatever we want to here but I've never danced to rap before and I never will. It's just not in me. If I was forced to dance to rap I wouldn't know what to do. I've never heard any "bitch-slappin'-pimpin'-hoe-hittin" music before in my club. Probably just because it's not that sexy and our girls are sexy and not "hoes". I've heard country once from an older dancer a long time ago when I first started dancing...... Can anyone tell me how country is sexy in the least?!
It's funny because I never use to really give a shit about what the crowd liked because tipping is seldom here because the stage is so far away from the custies. We get paid for our stage shows though. The girls here can pick out the exact music they want to dance to no matter what it is and every girl is an individual here. Some are crowd pleasers but most dance to what THEY like and therefore do their best so it's not just ass-shaking.... it's an expression of their sexuality and what represents them with their style of music and dancing. Unfortunately the girls that don't sell are fired. My music is the most diverse in the group of girls we have but I can feel it and really get into it. It's like being in my own little world up there just consumed by the music, atmosphere and an outlit for my sexual nature. But unfortunately enough I've been a bit broken over my year of dancing and have become more of a crowd pleaser, whch in turn makes me enjoy my job a lot less. It's really really draining for me trying to be what everyone likes. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
THere is a lot of rap at my club, one dj in particular that always seems to play it for everyone, even those of us that don't even like rap. I miss dancing from a jukebox and being able to pick my exact music sometimes.
The last club I worked at they played the music according to who was going up on the stage. They would play maybe some rap or reggae for some dancers. Some dancers liked techno so they would play techno. So it varied according to the girls going up on stage. I thought that was a great idea!!![]()
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Only certain songs and certain girls can pull off country. I occasionally will dance to it and so does one other girl in my club. I saw one chick dance to "Cotton-eye Joe" and WOW!Originally Posted by Concubine
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This is so sad--but all too common, with the kind of DJs that are proliferating out there. But when a jukebox would do a better job of pleasing the dancers---Jeezus...Originally Posted by Starfire
later--DutchezzBlayzze, I'm not f*cking with you, but the fact that you actually posted this is indicative of how bad the DJ problem is!Originally Posted by DutchezzBlayzze
Do you work at the Shark? Joke, sort of, but that was the scene there...Originally Posted by toxicgirl
Not the best place I ever worked--I could never really connect with the clientele as closely, unlike the other clubs I have worked in. But there were no f*cking rules whatsoever there, which had its advantages.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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