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    How could anyone just sit there and say all that? That is just sick (not in a not responsible for your own actions way!). She needed to be punished so she killed her kids? If she needed to be punished why didn't she torture or kill herself? I had never read those transcripts before-it's just disgusting.

    How has she escaped being killed in prison so far? I know child molesters and the like generally get some "special" treatment from fellow prisoners. I'd figure she would as well.

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    Who cares if she's crazy, is that a good enough excuse?
    HER body killed her children, their's a mind in that body that didn't, I could care less if it was her "right" mind.
    I highly doubt she's going to be let out, ever.... She admitted to killing them, they proved she did it.. So she has to face the consequences whether it's in a state institution or an insane assylum, their both a type of jail either way.
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    Oops, it was supposed to say theat their's a mind in that body that did it... not didn't.. Sorry I got angry and messed up the keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    Have YOU ever dealt with something like that first-hand?
    As a matter of fact, yes - after I got out of the Army I paid my way through two years of undergrad by working as a tech on the acute ward at a mental hospital... as you've apparently had the unpleasant experience of trying to restrain them when they're completely out of their fucking minds and a danger to themselves and everyone around them, I'm sure you can appreciate why the hospitals like to employ big ex-military guys as techs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    You can defend her until your fingers fall off. It does not, and never will change what she's done. I don't care if she's suffering from every single mental ailment in the books. There is NO excuse, especially when she was fully aware of it.

    Fine. But like I said earlier, if that's the case then we should stop the charade and just remove the damn statute from the books...

    (PS - Oh, what the hell, since mental state doesn't matter, let's just remove all the distinctions re causing the death of another from the books, right? Kill someone - that's it.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    You're no expert, and neither am I. We both can only speculate, and defend whatever it is we feel is right.
    Umm..., OK... but ya might want to try using the law and the evidence instead of speculation and feelings. Just a suggestion...
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    I have a question about the husband, Rusty.

    1.) Why didn't he pick up on the signs that his wife was a psycho and allow her to be with the children?

    2.) Ok, let's say that he just didn't see the signs. Why did he continue to defend her and say how much he loves his wife??? How could he forgive her of such an unspeakable act??

    I know the guy's a NASA engineer, but he sounds about just as crazy as she is....
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    Just thought I would throw this into the fray:

    First of all...the woman is a crazy, psychotic, looney bitch. But, why didn't they question her family? SHE is not the one solely responsible for the deaths of those children. Her family should have been charged with accessory or at least negligence. They KNEW that she was not right...they KNEW that she was going through major depressive episodes and they did nothing to step in and help. She should be fried...right along side the very family who allowed her to do this to her children.

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    reading those transcripts of the interview just literally made me sick to my stomach. was the family super uber religious? not that it matters in any way, i just wonder mainly because of the children's names. this is the first i have really read about this. i admit to avoiding the case on purpose because it makes me angry and sad. and while i'm usually not much for the whole "an eye for an eye" thing, she has earned death. crazy or not crazy, it's irrelevant.
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    Some notes on the family:
    I didn't follow the trial a lot, but from what I've heard:
    She'd been to a bazillion different psychiatrists ALL of whom told her under no circumstances to have children #4 & #5 - [Noah and Mary, I think?]. She wanted them. They were godly people who, on one hand, believed in large families and the whole "god doesn't give us anything we can't handle" type of mentality - on the other they wanted a daughter. She was on a variety of anti-psychosis drugs.
    The father HAD to work <- yes, it would've been great if he'd been able to stay with her 24/7, but someone had to keep food on the table. He had his mother coming in while he was at work so that someone was at the house.
    The mother-in-law was late. Andrea was left at home for 1 HOUR. That's all, he didn't expect her, in a very terrible state of mind, to be able to handle being alone with the children at that point. <- yes, bad idea to leave alone for any length of time, no matter how small, but I think it was a mistaken faith in "she wouldn't harm my children and is on medication."

    ^creepily enough, however, as soon as the house was no longer a crime scene, though, he went back to using that bathroom and bathtub. O.O

    To me, it is a terrible tragedy, whatever way you cut it.
    How could he be soo stupid as to use that testimony?? HOW?! That's what baffles me.
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    Is Yates criminally insane? Let's hope prosecutors put on a clean case next time and give the jury a chance at a fair verdict.

    The Houston PD detective took a clean interview, hardly a leading question in the bunch. Imagine having the willpower to calmly listen to this confession, the very day this happened, and maintain complete composure. Then only to have a couple of incompetant highly paid jokers drop the ball in such a ridiculously trasparent way.

    Sounds like the cops have done a thorough job in building up another case of crimes against children.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/010605jackson.html
    I pray the prosecutors can carry the ball without cheating or tripping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret to Rhiannon
    Umm..., OK... but ya might want to try using the law and the evidence instead of speculation and feelings. Just a suggestion...
    Is the new motto of the Green Berets to rush in where fools fear to tread?
    You just told a mom (Rhiannon) to divorce herself from her natural instincts to protect children. C'mon now. Might as well tell the Green Berets to oppress the free or the Marines to fall short of uncommon valor! That's not their nature. When legal issues delve into a defendant's emotional state and motivation, jurors and spectators hopefully will weigh the "evidence" (aka psychological theories) but they naturally bring their own personal experiences and perspectives in to it as a barometer.

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    Egads! How could a father live in the house and shower in the tub where his kids were murdered?

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    Ugh B.. I know.. A while back, there was talk about his plans to sell the house. As far as I know though, he is still residing there. I think that's especially creepy, that he can even go into that bathroom, let alone use the bathtub.

    (Oh, Thanks Ev *muah*. Couldn't have said it better.)

    You can never shut your emotions off when it comes to a child, no matter if you know them personally, or whatever. It comes with being a parent, some people even without parenthood. But, it definitely heightens your emotions when you become a mother or father. I formed my opinion of Andrea the day the news broke of what happened, the same as I did with Susan Smith. My feelings about the case ARE based on the evidence, as well as emotions. Even people directly involved in the case (I'm not just talking about family members here, but attorneys, the judge, police officers, etc..) could not contain their emotions. Where children are the victims of crime, there is no way to keep emotional feelings out of it. Gn, I've said before, and I'm saying it again. I will not continue to debate this issue with you. It's not for us to decide. We have our opinions. Let's leave it at that. You can't force me to see things the way you do, and vice versa. Enough already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon
    My feelings about the case ARE based on the evidence, as well as emotions. Even people directly involved in the case (I'm not just talking about family members here, but attorneys, the judge, police officers, etc..) could not contain their emotions. Where children are the victims of crime, there is no way to keep emotional feelings out of it. Gn, I've said before, and I'm saying it again. I will not continue to debate this issue with you. It's not for us to decide. We have our opinions. Let's leave it at that. You can't force me to see things the way you do, and vice versa. Enough already.
    Rhia: Ev is right... and so are you. I, too, allowed my emotions to drive me to some extent on this one, and I apologize if I went too far or got out of line on this one with you.
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    Did Bridgette just type the word "Egads?"





    Andrea Yates, regardless of her mental state, needs to never see the light of day again as a free human being. She needs, if she really is crazy, to be locked in the cuckoo's nest until the stars burn out. And, honestly, she really is crazy.

    But so is that husband of hers! I hate to sound violent, but wild dinosaurs couldn't have kept my hands from that crazy bitch's throat if she drowned my five kids. And here this dude is all on her side and stuff, i just don't get that. Look, marriage vows END the second the spouse brutally murders the kids. Taking her side shows that he's about as crazy as she is.

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    LOL It's quite alright, Gn.. I just get so very angry when things happen to children. Adults (especially parents) are supposed to protect their child with their life, not harm them in any way. I would give my life for my children, and never even think of taking theirs away. I'm guilty for letting my emotions get out of hand in the debate, and I too apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap
    Andrea Yates, regardless of her mental state, needs to never see the light of day again as a free human being.
    She won't... under Texas law, "not guilty by reason of insanity" = involuntarily commitment, with the court not only retaining continuing jurisdiction over her status, but also the power to keep her committed for the maximum amount of time that she could have been sentenced had she been found guilty.
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