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    Default Japanese clubs vs. American clubs

    I'm originally from Japan and I'm pretty new to the US strip club scene and I'm wondering if there are any dancers here who have danced in Japanese clubs. If so how were your experiences with customers, rules, etc, and how did they differ from those generally found here in the US? I've never been in a US strip club yet so I'd appreciate any info on what to expect.

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    Default Re: Japanese clubs vs. American clubs

    Go into a couple and form your own opinion on what you think.

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    Default Re: Japanese clubs vs. American clubs

    The biggest difference is that meeting a customer outside of the club is a BIG no-no, here...where in Japan it is acceptable and even encouraged. I believe that they are called "doshas"?

    I think Wwanderer could give some more info, though...

    I also agree with Kryssy that you should go hit a few local strip clubs and see what you think.

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    Default Re: Japanese clubs vs. American clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    I believe that they are called "doshas"?
    An outside the club "date" is a dohan, and English speakers call them "dohans" generically...but that is not correct Japanese, of course, since adding a "s" at the end does not make a Japanese noun plural.

    I think Wwanderer could give some more info, though...
    I have spent quite a bit of time in strip clubs in both countries, havokk, so I might well be able to answer your question(s), but it would be a lot easier if you were more specific about what type of clubs you are talking about in both countries and what sort of differences/aspects you wanted to know about. In other words, there are huge variations in types of clubs in both countries, and there are many different ways in which clubs can be different or similar.

    If you are talking about the big, well-known Tokyo clubs in which almost all of the dancers are gaijin (foreigners) and which more-or-less model themselves after Western (as in non-Asian, not western part of the US) strip clubs, then you will probably find major clubs in the US (say a typical Speriment Rhino club) sufficiently familiar that you will pretty much feel comfortable and at ease, understand how things work, etc. Btw, these are the only types of Japanese strip clubs I have seen discussed on SW.

    Comparing those types of clubs in the US and Japan, in addition to the dohan system already mentioned by VG, I would say some of the main differences include: The US clubs are considerably cheaper for the most part. There is more emphasis on courting and maintaining regular customers in the Japanese clubs. There is generally more contact/extras in the Japanese clubs (though still plenty of club-to-club and dancer-to-dancer variation in both places). It is easier to get drunk in the Japanese clubs, or maybe harder to stay sober would be a better way of putting it. The non-dancer staff sucks-up/caters to the customers a lot more obsessively than in the US (of course this is true of almost any sort of business...not just strip clubs). The Japanese clubs are more order and rule oriented in their management than US clubs. The Japanese clubs are less ethnically and racially diverse than US clubs. The dancers are more experienced, on average, in Japanese clubs than US ones. One could go on and on I suppose, but these differences all amount to fairly minor variations on essentially the same type of business and business model.

    Hope that helps a bit. Getting out and trying some US clubs for yourself is certainly the best advice...already given by kryssy.

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    Default Re: Japanese clubs vs. American clubs

    I know they have lots of S&M shows in clubs in japan

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    There was a huge S&M fad in Japan 10-12 years ago; it was everywhere you turned it sometime seemed. (For example, call-girl escorts routinely showed up with whips and cuffs and all that stuff even if you didn't request or mention anything along those lines.) Then it mostly passed for some reason; I am sure that there are still clubs like that, but I think not nearly so many as before.

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    heh theres an s&m club in roppongi still....

    ive never worked in a US club, so i cant offer a comparasin, btu i know hussling is much different, in japan you are basically hostessing in the states its a few minute convosation before asking about private shows.

    all states have different laws and regulations, and all clubs are differently run so its hard to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    in japan you are basically hostessing in the states its a few minute convosation before asking about private shows.
    Mer, if I may call you that, how long does a dancer typically hang with a customer if he is not buying her drinks or getting dances? Does the club advise/urge you to move along after a while to give a different dancer a shot at a customer if he is not spending anything at all on you? Do the dancers get any cut at all of the charge per hour that the customers have to pay the club to sit there (and drink)? Probably not, I suppose. I can see why dancers wouldn't like the Tokyo system so well.

    As long as we are on the topic, it'd be interesting to hear your take on the dohan system too. How much does that figure in a typical Tokyo dancer's income, do you think?

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    Great feedback!I agree that social interaction is much more intense between dancer and customer in the clubs I have been in in Tokyo. Many Japanese customers have a fantasy of tall, full bodied western woman as a girlfriend. Many of these clubs allow that to become a reality (at least for a short while). I can't comment on any "extras" that might occur, as I never partook in any or noticed any taking place around me. I know many Japanese guys might be somewhat shy and intimidated in this regard, or maybe I'm talking purely for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wwanderer
    Mer, if I may call you that, how long does a dancer typically hang with a customer if he is not buying her drinks or getting dances? Does the club advise/urge you to move along after a while to give a different dancer a shot at a customer if he is not spending anything at all on you? Do the dancers get any cut at all of the charge per hour that the customers have to pay the club to sit there (and drink)? Probably not, I suppose. I can see why dancers wouldn't like the Tokyo system so well.

    As long as we are on the topic, it'd be interesting to hear your take on the dohan system too. How much does that figure in a typical Tokyo dancer's income, do you think?

    -Ww

    heh "mer" reminds me of a merkin!! lol

    i found that in the 3 clubs i worked in in tokyo, they ALL pretty much required dancers to sit with customers for at least an hour or so drinking,chatting etc, before bringing up the private show topic. which is a pain in tha ass, cos basically your hostessing for about an hour to get one dance.and NO they dont have to pay to have you sit with them for any lenght of time,and they arent obliged to take you for a show afterwards.girls arent moved on after any length of time (that i knew of,noticed) but you make drink money, which can be a decent amount if you can drink enough "special vodka orange" or just plain old orange,of get champagne. i guess thats the only way to make cash from wasting an hour sitting there.

    the dohan system, you dont recieve any money for doing, well 1500yen from the club , but nothing worthwhile unless the customer tips you for it, generally, i found they dont, regular customers tend to tho. i dont see how its worth doing,except to build up a repotoir ( sp?) with good customers, unless your gonna be in town for a year or so, its hardly worht the effort.

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    Hi Havokk

    Hope you did spend some time in the U.S. clubs already. (that was your homework )
    Since you are a punter (and you know how things worked in Japanese clubs) why dont you post on 'Customers conversation?' you will recieve the answers of ' customer's view'- more straight forward.

    good luck!
    honey55

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz
    heh "mer" reminds me of a merkin!! lol
    LOL. Btw, there is a lot of confusion about what "merkin" means; see

    http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxmerkin.html

    but I did not mean to call you an American! Just a nickname.

    the dohan system, you dont recieve any money for doing, well 1500yen from the club , but nothing worthwhile unless the customer tips you for it, generally, i found they dont, regular customers tend to tho.
    I think that 1500 is the same thing the street touts get for bringing a customer into the club...or something close to it. I always guessed/assumed the dancers would do better than that from a dohan...not a very good deal I agree. I guess you also get a good meal out of it sometimes.

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    In the SC or normal & sex club scene it's now "image". Girls dressing up as school girls, cops, teachers, secretaries, your favorite anime character, etc, etc.

    S&M is passe thou it's still popular. The trend now is that UNGODLY Ganguro or Yamamba girls.. basically a girl will tan as dark as possible an go heavy on the light makeup an bright clothes an jewerly. Always a cell phone in hand an calling on it nonstop (free local call plans make it easy to talk all day).

    Bascially a generation of whores that'll have skin an brain cancer before they're 30.

    The other trend that's just as popular but not as noticeble untill you go the the shopping mall areas is the GOTH... They even made a Anime series for fans of the genre.. which was "witch hunter robin (an a really bad one at that.)

    Basically Goth girls just pose around all day thou one might come up to a Gaijen like myself (an being 6,6 an dutch I get it nonstop). an ask for a date (prostitution for shopping trips an the such)

    Ganguro girls do that as much as possible whenever they need a new Gucci Purse or new model cell phone. It's a inside joke in Japan for tourists that whenever a major Cell phone manufacturer releases the latest cell phone that it's unsafe for any White guy to walk the street without some negro faced blonde haired bimbo chasing you down for sex to pay for it.

    I had girls I didn't know banging on my hotel room door asking in broken english if I'll party with them *hint hint.. rolls eyes*

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    LOL, TaLIOne. Ganguro postdate my time in Japan. We called them Yanki back then. Hey - anybody remember "ruusu sokksu"? Ah, the memories.

    They were only hitting up salarymen for shopping cash in those days - glad to know it's become equal opportunity for gaijin!

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