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    yeah, right ! get this ....



    (snip) They note that the al Qaeda communiqué is unprecedented because of three ground-breaking features:

    1. Osama bin Laden’s organization has never before publicly announced an inquiry into the death or capture of any of its people – and certainly not its findings.

    2. Al Qaeda has never openly admitted to operating in Lebanon, nor was Al Masri ever named as one of its own. This was also the organization’s first claim of a foothold in a Palestinian refugee camp anywhere.

    3. Al Qaeda has never before sworn to avenge the loss of any of its top men; nor threatened openly to liquidate the leaders of a fellow terrorist or Muslim organization.

    The statement is therefore taken as a declaration of war by the global jihadist al Qaeda on the Palestinian Fatah for control of Ein Hilweh, a strategic location commanding South Lebanon’s Mediterranean coast. It was issued the day that the new Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas was sworn in to take Arafat’s place in Ramallah. Abbas faces the challenge of asserting his leadership over all parts of the Fatah movement, from the outlawed factions in Lebanon to the violent Al Aqsa Martyrs (Suicide) Brigades and Tanzim arms rampant in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Failure to do so will seriously undermine his authority and destabilize his regime. (snip)

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    sorry mel,your boobs are way to big for you to know this much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Sorry Farrah.

    But the Quran says to kill me and mine, and everyone like me,or even close.

    Is that true or false,black or white??

    Dont be PC.(I already know the answer)

    Re-write your Quran,much like we,as christians,have re-written the Bible,then maybe we can talk.
    Exclude the part where it says to kill alll none belivers,even wait in ambush(defines terrorism imo), would be my suggestion.
    Keep raising generations to belive that "we"are the "devils" or the "infidals",and we will remain on different sides of the battle lines.
    Much as it has been for 2000 years.

    "Let it be written,let it be done"(Yul Brenner)
    Please let me know when the last time was that you actually picked up the Quran and read it ? Then I would like to know where you read that the Quran said "you should be killed "
    Also, the Quran is not MINE to rewrite..LOL I mean really come at me with
    a better arguement than that !
    We are talking about religious choices..period.
    Most muslims are peace loving individuals as are most christians. The problem lies with a handful of uneducated or miseducated individuals.
    Before I am claimed any religion, I was born a human being and thats where my loyality lies.. with humanity.
    Freedom of religion is one of the founding principles of our country. I just find it rather amusing that the same people that escaped judgement are now the exact same people who are doing the judging.
    My family ( and extended family) is made up of many races and numerous religious beliefs. I have been a member if this forum for quite sometime and I have quietly sat back while others have made very negative and hateful comments about muslims. Believe me when I say there are members of this board who are muslim as well and we read Political Poo in totally shock at the racism and bigotry . What happened to being tollerant ??
    I believe we all have something constructive to add to this world without bashing another's race or religion in the process.
    There is a difference is debating and making personal attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday
    Please let me know when the last time was that you actually picked up the Quran and read it ? Then I would like to know where you read that the Quran said "you should be killed "
    I will admit its been about 10 years since i tried to read it cover to cover.

    Heres a couple of the sarahs you requested.

    47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended.
    9:73 O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed.

    The islamic religion,know it or not,will be raising generations of terrorist against the USA.
    Also, the Quran is not MINE to rewrite..LOL I mean really come at me with
    a better arguement than that !
    We are talking about religious choices..period.
    Most muslims are peace loving individuals as are most christians. The problem lies with a handful of uneducated or miseducated individuals.
    lol i know its not yours to re-write.
    Do you at least agree that maybe this should be removed and NOT taught to kids.
    Your religion doesnt afford others the freedom of "choice"that you refere to.They offer death,not peace,and rewards to those that take out as many "devils"as possible.


    Freedom of religion is one of the founding principles of our country. I just find it rather amusing that the same people that escaped judgement are now the exact same people who are doing the judging.
    My family ( and extended family) is made up of many races and numerous religious beliefs. I have been a member if this forum for quite sometime and I have quietly sat back while others have made very negative and hateful comments about muslims. Believe me when I say there are members of this board who are muslim as well and we read Political Poo in totally shock at the racism and bigotry . What happened to being tollerant ??
    I believe we all have something constructive to add to this world without bashing another's race or religion in the process.
    There is a difference is debating and making personal attacks.
    My problem isnt personal,my problem is with the Quran,and all that follow it under its current wording.
    This is the same war thats been going on for 2000 years.

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    The islamic religion,know it or not,will be raising generations of terrorist against the USA.
    yes, and while we're talking about generational values, the USA stopped raising "Americans" as framed by the founding fathers about 50 years ago. Since that time the US Supreme Court and liberal society have gradually made sure that "Christian Values" occupied a smaller and smaller role in the curricula of American schools. Islamic fundamentalists made no such changes over the same 50 years, and if anything placed even more emphasis on teaching their children extreme fundamentalist values.

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    Unless you two are willing to be seen exactly the same as say... Pat Robertson then you shouldn't be viewing all Muslims the same as terrorist. The hardcore rightwing in this country are just as bad. They teach kids and adults to hate gay people as well as anyone not a member of the christian church. They teach violence in thought, word and actions. Fundlmentalist Christians are no better than fundlementalist muslims. Not one bit better.

    "Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93

    "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

    "The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement...We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America." --Pat Robertson,"The 700 Club," September 27, 1993.



    also MnM your Quaran quote is out of context. Did you cut and paste it off a website? If so can you maybe add the link so we can see where it came from?

    Its really just so sad to see people haboring so much hate for any culture and a religion that they clearly know little to nothing about. That goes for Americans who are now anti muslim as well as people from other cultures who have become more anti- US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Since that time the US Supreme Court and liberal society have gradually made sure that "Christian Values" occupied a smaller and smaller role in the curricula of American schools.
    A fairly vague generalization but roughly accurate, imo. This has had many consequences, among them the vast growth in the exotic dancing industry (and all forms of commercial sex) over the last 50 years and the tolerance for public sexuality and diverse sexual life styles that allows net communities such as SW to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvaAngel
    Unless you two are willing to be seen exactly the same as Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson then you shouldn't be viewing all Muslims the same as terrorist.
    I dont think they are one and the same.

    I do think the Quran has been used as justifacation by terrorist.

    I also think that MOST terrorist acts in the last 20 years has been for the most part,islamic fundies who follow the Quran.
    Is this true or false??
    Answering doesnt make you anti muslim,just factual.
    The hardcore rightwing in this country are just as bad. They teach kids and adults to hate gay people as well as anyone not a member of the christian church. They teach violence in thought, word and actions. Fundlmentalist Christians are no better than fundlementalist muslims. Not one bit better.
    Well,we agree about the right wing fundies,on both sides.
    Funny that you mentioned Muslim and Christians,you do know BOTH religions are anti gay right?
    also MnM your Quaran quote is out of context. Did you cut and paste it off a website? If so can you maybe add the link so we can see where it came from?
    Then put it in context,please!!
    You supply the info and maybe you will belive it.
    I posted the sarahs we were talking about.I dont think its out of context.
    Its really just so sad to see people haboring so much hate for any culture and a religion that they clearly know little to nothing about.
    Hey im willing to except anyone as my neighbor.Just dont try to kill me or teach your children to kill me because im the devil!!!!

    Muslims
    catholics
    KKK
    Black Panthers
    NAMBLA
    etc
    All these groups currently have legal rights to exist.Doesnt mean I agree with them.If i dont agree with thier beliefs,it doesnt make me a "hater" or make my beliefs homophobic or obsolete.

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    I think I was pretty clear that terrorists misuse the Quaran.... but lets not forget the fundy christians misuse the bible to hate gays. Both are equaly wrong.

    I'm just curious to where you pulled the Quaran quote from because I notice that lots of anti muslim sites take Quaran quotes and post them out of context.

    Ok.. so I got out my Quaran from the back of my book shelf and looked up the passages just before and just after one that was quoted above. Here is it is incontext. I think it shows how the one section is viewed as violence but in context it is a bit different.

    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

    047.001 Those who reject Allah and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah,- their deeds will Allah render astray (from their mark).

    047.002 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.


    047.003 This because those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the Truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes.

    047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

    047.005 Soon will He guide them and improve their condition,

    047.006And admit them to the Garden which He has announced for them.

    047.007 O ye who believe! If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    lol i know its not yours to re-write.
    Do you at least agree that maybe this should be removed and NOT taught to kids.
    Your religion doesnt afford others the freedom of "choice"that you refere to.They offer death,not peace,and rewards to those that take out as many "devils"as possible.
    Two words Christian Crusade...
    Do you remember that ?? This is a war thats been going on for years, the debate over religion. The my God is better than your God mentality will get us no where in a modern society. I think if the time were really taken to read and educate ourselves about religions, we would see more simularities than differences.
    Let us not forget that the SAME people who are responsible for 9-11 are the same group of people that are terrorizing their fellow muslims .
    Insanity is insanity regardless of religion or race.

    I honetly think you need to take the time to reread the Quran.
    Let me know when you're finish, so we can have a REAL debate.
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    Surely any even modestly objective survey of history will reveal that virtually any sort of behavior, good or bad, can be motivated and supported by some reading of the holy writings of any of the world's major religions...and, in fact, has been at some point by someone. Imo, it is not the words in those books but the feelings and thoughts in the hearts and minds of people that cause the world so many needless problems.

    Wouldn't it be more productive if "good", peaceloving, well intentioned Christians devoted their attention and efforts to dealing with the hateful and hurtful distortions of their own faith instead of criticizing the failings of Muslims...and vice versa...and substitute in the names of the other "great" religions?

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    ^ Exactly !!
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    Lest we interpret religious texts literally...let's take a look at the Old Testament. Here's what Melonie's boyfriend Michael Moore had to say to Dr. Laura Schlesinger:

    Dear Dr Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

    a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the oder is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed posess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    f) A friend of mine fells that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I didn't agree. Can you settle this?

    g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the alter of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27 How should they die?

    i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread. (Cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

    Michael Moore

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    lol great post Adina.
    Moore is such a Re Re.

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    what is a re re ?

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    a retard with a stutter and a lisp..

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    He may not be everyones cup of tea but Moore is hardly retarded.


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    Here's what Melonie's boyfriend Michael Moore had to say ...
    Somebody hasn't been remembering my posts, obviously. If I have any "affection" for Michael Moore whatsoever, it's that he serves as such a perfect focal point / uber-liberal poster boy / conservative target .


    Oh, BTW here's some more Tsunami announcements courtesy of prominent Arab media ...

    January 11, 2005

    'These nations sinned, lied and were infidels'
    Tsunami conspiracy theories in the Arab media translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute

    “If people are remiss in implementing God’s law and in being zealous and vengeful for His sake, Allah sets his soldiers in action to take revenge.

    The oppression and corruption caused by America and the Jews have increased. Have you heard of these beaches that are called ‘tourists’ paradise’?

    You have all probably heard of Bangkok. We read about it and knew it as the centre of corruption on the face of this earth. Over there, there are Zionist and American investments.

    Over there they bring Muslims and others to prostitution. Over there, there are beaches which they dubbed “tourists’ paradise” while only a few metres away the locals live in hell on earth.”

    Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris,
    Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority TV
    (December 31, 2004)

    “Whoever reads the Koran, given by the Maker of the World, can see how these nations were destroyed.

    There is one reason: they lied, they sinned and were infidels. Whoever studies the Koran can see this is the result . . . These countries in which these things occurred — don’t they refrain from adopting Allah’s law, which is a form of heresy? Man-made laws have been chosen over Allah’s law, which has been deemed unsuitable to judge people?!

    Whoever does not act according to Allah’s law is a heretic — that’s what Allah said in the Koran. Don’t these countries have witchcraft, sorcery, deceitfulness and abomination?”

    Ibrahim al-Bashar,
    adviser to Saudi Arabia’s Justice Minister,
    al-Majd TV channel
    (January 5, 2005)

    “These great tragedies and collective punishments that are wiping out villages, towns, cities and even entire countries are Allah’s punishments of the people of these countries, even if they are Muslims.

    Some of our forefathers said that if there is usury and fornication in a certain village, Allah permits its destruction. We know that at these resorts which unfortunately exist in Islamic and other countries in South Asia, and especially at Christmas, fornication and sexual perversion of all kinds are rampant. The fact that it happened at this particular time is a sign from Allah. It happened at Christmas when fornicators and corrupt people from all over the world come to commit fornication and sexual perversion.”

    Fawzan al-Fawzan,
    professor at al-Imam University, Saudi Arabia,
    al-Majd TV
    (December 31, 2004)

    “People must ask themselves why this earthquake occurred in this area and not in others . . . Whoever examines these areas discovers that they are tourism areas. Tourism areas are areas where the forbidden acts are widespread, as well as alcohol consumption, drug use, and acts of abomination . . . These areas were notorious because of this type of modern tourism, which has become known as ‘sex tourism’.

    After the trafficking in drugs and trafficking in weapons, comes ‘sex tourism’, in which prostitution and sexual perversion are traded. They even traffic in children . . . Young children that are used for sexual perversions.

    Don’t they deserve punishment from Allah?!”

    Sheik Yousuf al-Qaradhawi,
    Friday sermon on Qatar TV
    (January 7, 2005)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Somebody hasn't been remembering my posts, obviously. If I have any "affection" for Michael Moore whatsoever, it's that he serves as such a perfect focal point / uber-liberal poster boy / conservative target .
    Somebody else doesn't get a tounge-in-cheek jibe. *sigh*

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    I want you guys to know that this is one of the longest threads we've had without deteriorating to insults and shit slinging. Five pages of real discussion! You guys are great!



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    Somebody else doesn't get a tounge-in-cheek jibe. *sigh*
    Michael Moore is one of the extremely few guys that I would actually refuse to take money from iin a club LOL !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Michael Moore is one of the extremely few guys that I would actually refuse to take money from iin a club LOL !
    Really Mel ?? Unless the guy is a child rapist or something horrid like that, I'd never turn down money..LOL
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    I like Mike Mike Moore. I think he is doing a great job of waking people up and getting them interested in important issues. Overall, I think there is way too much apathy in the world.

    I also know from personal experience, that the things quoted from the Islamic extremist media are NOT the way that most Islamic people feel.

    Its really too bad that some people round here cant separate the extremist views from the majority. The truth is a few people who call themselves Muslim hate America but most do not. I should know I myself was raised in a Muslim household. I also want to say that I was offended by some of the things Melanie and GreenMnm posted here.

    Today as an adult I am not a devote follower of any religion because I have found good in so many... I consider myself spiritual and attend an interfaith church. I'd like to suggest that some of the people here who harbor hate, dislike or even just lack of understanding of others to try an interfaith church from time to time. It will really open your eyes and hopefully your heart too



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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldThePickle
    I also know from personal experience, that the things quoted from the Islamic extremist media are NOT the way that most Islamic people feel.
    I would beg to differ and offer many continents as examples full of islamics who not only dislike Americans,but hate us.We top thier hit list.
    The middle east is a no brainer.You can add most of north Africa to that and alot of european countries.
    Check with your local embassy for an updated list of ISLAMIC countries where its not safe to travel as an american.

    Why is that??
    Its really too bad that some people round here cant separate the extremist views from the majority. The truth is a few people who call themselves Muslim hate America but most do not. I should know I myself was raised in a Muslim household. I also want to say that I was offended by some of the things Melanie and GreenMnm posted here.
    Again i disagree.
    I would agree that alot of AMERICAN ISLAMICS dont hate Americans.
    They are a very small % of americans and an even smaller % of the worlds islamics.
    Im sorry if my views offended you,i was trying to be general and not personal.

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    Well I dated a Muslim woman for about a half a year. There was no debating with her on religion, politics, culture, any of it. All of these things, in her country (Algeria), are based on Islam. From her (and her people's) perspective: Islam is perfect and infallible. Thus, their laws, culture, traditions, beliefs, etc. are all perfect and infallible. There is no room for debate that perhaps their religious teachings could be modernized, or updated to incorporate more modern views. The fault, because Islam is perfect, clearly lies with all other faiths. This thinking there prevents any change. The society, laws, etc. are stagnant and cannot change, because to do so is to invalidate the idea that Islam is perfect. Doing that is unthinkable, blasphemous, and ridiculous. It was maddening to discuss anything serious with her because of this thinking....and here's the best part: in her country, she was considered a liberal and an open-minded thinker!

    Now maybe my experience with one person was not representative of the people as a whole. Maybe it's just Algeria, which has been in a state of civil war for a long time and so things are really bad over there. I don't have enough information to come to an informed opinion, but that experience dating her (and having a lot of international friends that for the most part, were just hate-filled) did change my opinion on something. I left college a lot more close-minded than when I entered it!

    My current thinking is perhaps an over-simplification, but Islam today is a bit like Christianity in the dark ages. Islam is fairly new, compared to the other major religions, and just has some developing to do. Christianity went through some friggin' dark, intolerant, cruel periods (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Witch-hunts - lol). It took time to evolve and develop, and even still has some work to do. Give Islam another 700 years, then compare it to the Christianity of today, and they'll probably be similar. These things take time. The frustrating thing is watching societies repeat all the mistakes of the past (I mean does any Christian group point to the Crusades as if it were a good idea!?).
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