Hell yes!Originally Posted by Tina
How can we work to bring about this transition, other than by our own individual efforts? It's what I always try to do, but a lot more is needed.
Any ideas?





Hell yes!Originally Posted by Tina
How can we work to bring about this transition, other than by our own individual efforts? It's what I always try to do, but a lot more is needed.
Any ideas?
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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Actually, some clubs I've been to in the last year or two seem to be going this "party atmosphere" route, and as far as I'm concerned, its the wrong fork in the road. This atmosphere does a wonderful job of letting small spenders whose only prior experience with strip clubs is watching how clubs are represented on television, overrun the damned place.Originally Posted by Tina
Yeah, I'm sure it generates profits for the bar, and perhaps gets the girls a few more bucks on stage, but it also hinders their abilities to sell dances because between a busybody stage rotation and the annoying promotions, there's no time for a customer to buy a dance from the gal he wants to buy a dance from.
I assure you that the veteran customers who bring the fat wallets in, do not for the most part want to partake in that kind of environment. I brought about $200 to a local club last October that had a party atmosphere (at least on Saturday nights) and I only ended up spending $40. College aged boys hooting and hollering, dancers running everywhere haywire, drunk people stumbling over my feet, yeah that wasn't exactly my idea of "kicking back".
I bought one frigging dance, and despite tipping the lucky gal on stage three times, I practically had to flag her down after a 2-for-1 just to ask for that. I would have been well justified in walking out of the place a lot sooner than I did.
Yeah, if a guy just wants a little eye candy and drop a paltry sum like I did, or a dancer is content with taking home $125, mostly in stage tips, that kind of enviroment is fine. But most guys my age and older got that kind of "partying" out of our systems years ago.
Former SCJ now in rehab.





The specials and promotions do need to be watched carefully, and used with extreme discretion.
10$ dance nights, 2-for1's, and T-shirt specials attract cheap idiots, and as employed by most managers--that is, without reflection or judgement--tend to hurt the dancers' profits, as well as scare away guys like Doc-Catfish, and that is not a good thing.
But there is a middle ground, and what Tina says is for the most part very true.
The key is to not only keep the atmosphere lively and upbeat, but to ensure that the guys who are spending the most, and being gentlemen, are very well taken care of.
I always work the crowd, find out who the big-spenders are,and do everything in my not-inconsiderable powers to make sure they are very happy indeed.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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I think you guys may be missing the elephant in the room.
The internet.
I think the internet is destroying the GC environment as articulated by Tina. Now that there are easy places for customers to:
1. Peruse alternate erotic stimulation without having to go outside of their home to get it;
2. Do much better research on escort options, etc. rather than just calling a number in the back of the newspaper or try to pick someone up on the street;
3. Find out which strippers provide "extras" and compare prices/services;
it is understandably becoming harder and harder for dancers who don't want to become "extras" providers to maintain their business. I'm not saying that there AREN'T strip club customers who wouldn't want to date/sleep with/get "extras" from the dancers, but that they're in the "four-leaf clover" rarity group. And the fact that it's increasingly easy to find providers who you can be confident in the looks and services of, as well as the fact that you can get lots of stimulation right off your computer screen, leave a rapidly shrinking pool of customers who find the strip club "just right" in terms of the arousal/fantasy vs. payout tradeoff.
There will always be people who would rather drop in for a beer and a dance, or who come out in a group for fun. But I think a lot of the hardcore strip club goers have gravitated to other places to find what they're looking for, and the big spenders the clubs are left with are guys who:
1. Want to date/screw the very prettiest women they can find (the average stripper being MUCH better-looking than the average prostitute and with most men not dating in the Victoria's Secret model pool) and aren't afraid to drop a lot of cash trying to set that up.
2. are on expense accounts and are having the most fun they can legally put on their cards.
3. Can't "get over the hump" ethically or for other reasons and start outright paying for sex rather than paying to be teased.
I'm not sure if there's a good solution for the average dancer, or if there's a long-term equilibrium that will be reached where the line is drawn between "fun" clubs and "extras" clubs and you can make a decent living at the former. The best-looking women and best hustlers will probably always do well regardless, but I think that the longer-term trend towards more extras and lower payouts is going to be hard to reverse.
These type of customer are so annoying, if I get more than a couple a night it makes me want to go home.
If you think you can make it into a sale then by all means go for it, but I serioiusly would not try with these jerks because they'll be the first to try to lick me and finger me when I start dancing, and if I punch one more customer I might get fired.
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