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    With 91% of Washington D.C. voters having opposed Bush, and a tremendous national groundswell building against him and his constituents, this could be pretty big.

    http://www.counter-inaugural.org/index.php

    I would love to see Bush finally see just how many people cannot abide what he stands for. He has always had a severe intolerance for protest--just ask the people he had arrested for protesting on the grounds of the Capitol building in Austin. His public appearances during his campaign were very carefully controlled, with protesters kept far away from his various rallies and speech sites.

    This will be much harder to control, and potentially a serious problem, including the possibility of mass arrests if things get out of hand. I would not be surprised if this could be the beginning of an era of protest and civil disturbance rivalling that which took place during the Vietnam Era.
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    I saw an anti-Bush shirt that made my day: it was a picture of George W. Bush smiling and the caption: BET YOU'LL VOTE NEXT TIME, HIPPIE! Does anyone know where it is sold?

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    Here ya go Maxie.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    ...a tremendous national groundswell building against him and his constituents...his could be pretty big.
    What groundswell?

    The most accurate poll of people's opinions was taken back in November. A majority decided they liked him better than the other guy.

    Sheesh, the election is over people, deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    The most accurate poll of people's opinions was taken back in November. A majority decided they liked him better than the other guy.

    Sheesh, the election is over people, deal with it.
    That majority was extremely narrow, with the opposition being extremely vehement, and unlikely to acquiesce.

    GWB is the least popular President to have been just elected since Harry S. Truman. He has started a war which a tremendous number of people in this country are radically opposed to, a war which is not going well; more people are becoming angry as the lack of success and the lack of WMD found become apparent, and more American servicemen die for the wrong reason.

    Those who dislike Bush also tend to dislike him far more than the winning President in other elections.

    I haven't the slightest shred of respect for him.

    Nixon won by a landslide over McGovern, but his revealed discrepancies brought about the most vocal and vehement opposition to a President in modern history. We have the potential for a quite similar situation right now, with a President who is a lot less popular.

    Ever hear of Civil Disobedience, by Henry David Thoreau? One of the most respected writers in American history went to jail because he didn't agree with a war he felt was started for the wrong reasons.

    The election may be over, but a lot of people in the United States are dealing with it, in the only manner acceptable to our conscience and our patriotism. By refusing to accept him, and by opposing his policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    That majority was extremely narrow, with the opposition being extremely vehement, and unlikely to acquiesce.
    If I'm not mistaken, GWB won a majority of the votes, something Bill Clinton never did.
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    GWB is the least popular President to have been just elected since Harry S. Truman...
    What do you base this on? My point was that the election is one great big popularity contest, GWB won it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Those who dislike Bush also tend to dislike him far more than the winning President in other elections.
    Remember the Clinton years? Some of the things said and written about him were down right disgusting.
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    I haven't the slightest shred of respect for him.
    You don't have to respect the man. However, showing disrespect for the office shows disrespect for the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Nixon won by a landslide over McGovern, but his revealed discrepancies brought about the most vocal and vehement opposition to a President in modern history. We have the potential for a quite similar situation right now, with a President who is a lot less popular.
    Time will tell if you are right. I happen to think you are wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Ever hear of Civil Disobedience, by Henry David Thoreau? One of the most respected writers in American history went to jail because he didn't agree with a war he felt was started for the wrong reasons.
    Henry David Thoreau? Is he the guy that Brittany Spears was married to for a few hours?
    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    The election may be over, but a lot of people in the United States are dealing with it, in the only manner acceptable to our conscience and our patriotism. By refusing to accept him, and by opposing his policies.
    There is definitely a place in this country for protest, and yes, even civil disobedience. In fact, you can't name me a country in the world that goes to the lengths we do to protect people's rights to disagree with the majority. Having said that, there is a time and place for everything. You don't like the war in Iraq, great, there are 364 other days you can protest it. The inaugaration is mandated by the constitution, launching protests at a public event such as this is nothing but sour grapes by the losing side.

    I think its great that you and so many like you are so firm and passionate in your beliefs, I wish there were more like you. But firm convictions are not a valid excuse for bad behavior. Go ahead and protest if you want, hell my taxes will be helping to pay for the police to protect you from all the republicans in Washington for the event. But in my opinion, to most people, groups like this come off looking like a bunch of whiney-butts that are still pouting because their guy didn't win.
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    Destiny - The J20 protests are going to be nation wide and global. With so many of our young people in Iraq killing and being killed to make the ruling class of this country even richer I don't know how much good your tax dollars are going to do.

    Here are some things that the concerned citizens of Las Vegas are going to be "whining about" on J20.

    How come there is no federal agency with regulatory authority over the U.S. voting machine industry?
    How come all of the voting machine errors detected in the last two elections went in favor of Bush and Republican candidates?
    Why don’t most Americans know that 80% of all votes are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S?
    Why don’t most Americans know that both Diebold and ES&S are run by the Urosevich brothers who are major supporters of the Bush campaign?
    How come the media is not allowed to provide our citizens with news that is objective, accurate, unbiased, fair and informative without having to risk jail time or being fired?

    There will also be mass walkouts on college campuses all across the county. http://www.j20walkout.tsx.org/
    The National Black Panthers Alliance is also inviting all concerned citizens to join them in protesting the horrible things that the Guardians Of Plutocracy are doing to the people in this country and through out the world.
    Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. - M Rivero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    If I'm not mistaken, GWB won a majority of the votes, something Bill Clinton never did.
    Here are some charts for you to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine
    I saw an anti-Bush shirt that made my day: it was a picture of George W. Bush smiling and the caption: BET YOU'LL VOTE NEXT TIME, HIPPIE! Does anyone know where it is sold?
    lol that is kinda funny.I wonder what it would have said if Kerry had won??

    Maybe that was Kerry's problem,he went after the hippies and the MTV crowd and forgot about the average joe.
    Average joe took an hour off from work to go vote.
    The MTV/Hippies partied all night,slept till noon,and did bong hits on the way to the polls,only to discover they ended up at dairy queen instead.

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    I hate these goddamned 'point/counterpoint' postings, and I have always liked you, Destiny--but you leave me no choice...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    What do you base this on? My point was that the election is one great big popularity contest, GWB won it.
    Statistics. My comment was that "GWB is the least popular President to have been just elected since Harry S. Truman..."

    "His popularity ratings are in the low 40s and no president since Harry Truman has been re-elected without job approval ratings of over 50%."

    http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-21-2004-54465.asp

    I have seen these figures elsewhere, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Remember the Clinton years? Some of the things said and written about him were down right disgusting.
    Yes, I do. Clinton got a blow job and lied about it. GWB, however, started a war and lied about it. Bush lie: over 1000 American deaths, the creation of an excellent terrorist breeding-ground in Iraq, and tremendous damage to international relations. Clinton lie: moral indignation of the same people who would love to close all stripclubs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    You don't have to respect the man. However, showing disrespect for the office shows disrespect for the country.
    I am showing respect for the office (something that GWB has failed miserably to do) by protesting the gross inadequacy of the man in it. I view this as my patriotic duty. This man, with his constituents, is in my opinion ruining this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Time will tell if you are right. I happen to think you are wrong.
    My feelings are reciprocal.

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    Henry David Thoreau? Is he the guy that Brittany Spears was married to for a few hours?
    You are joking, right? You can't possibly be serious...

    Henry David Thoreau "is considered one of the most influential figures in American thought and literature."

    http://education.yahoo.com/reference...entry?id=47049

    He was radically opposed to The Mexican War, and wrote perhaps his best known work, "Civil Disobedience", in opposition to this war. He was arrested for refusing to pay taxes, an action you might consider even more disrespectful to the country than whatever limited, non-violent protesting I may do on Inauguration Day, because he felt the war was pro-slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    ...my taxes will be helping to pay for the police to protect you from all the republicans in Washington for the event...
    No they won't. I'm not going to Washington. Where I am located in Ann Arbor, the republicans are outnumbered...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    ...a bunch of whiney-butts that are still pouting because their guy didn't win.
    Whiney-butt, my ass, and Kerry wasn't "my guy", I actually didn't care much for him. But Bush sure as shit isn't my guy either. Pouting, but nonetheless accepting him would be to relinquish my balls, and my conscience as a citizen. I believe he is downright unAmerican, especially in his stance towards religon, the sex industry (thats ours, BTW), free speech--and last but not least--the proper reasons for invading another country. I refuse to accept a man like this as an intelligent, circumspect, moral leader, because he isn't.

    I can think of no better day to express my disapproval than the day the son-of-a-bitch spends 40 million dollars taking office, before he does yet more to f*ck this country up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    With 91% of Washington D.C. voters having opposed Bush, and a tremendous national groundswell building against him and his constituents, this could be pretty big.
    DC???
    Do you know anything about it DJ???
    NOBODY lives there,they all commute to the city for work and then cross the river home every night.
    Besides,DC is also the city to re-elect a crack head mayor barry!!!!!
    Doesnt that tell you something???
    It aint even a state!

    Im afraid the image of who lives in DC is NOT what you see on CNN.

    I would love to see Bush finally see just how many people cannot abide what he stands for. He has always had a severe intolerance for protest--just ask the people he had arrested for protesting on the grounds of the Capitol building in Austin. His public appearances during his campaign were very carefully controlled, with protesters kept far away from his various rallies and speech sites.
    Cmon now.
    Why dont you tell the board why he really had the protesters arrested in Austin.They were storming the capital!!!!!
    I personally would have ordered rubber bullets and tazers on them!
    And just so you know,they have been keeping protesters away for presidents long before Bush,Kerry did the same thing,as did clinton/bush sr/etc.

    There is a difference between protesting and disrupting.

    Both sides of any debate or election have a right to speak to the people without getting shouted down by a mob.
    If your aim is to protest and not disrupt,you have the right and you can apply for the required permits.(even the KKK and black panthers do it for thier rallys,and they keep the "protestors/disrupters at a safe distance away.)
    If your aim is to protest AND disrupt,then your shittin on the rights of others and we have laws against that.
    This will be much harder to control, and potentially a serious problem, including the possibility of mass arrests if things get out of hand. I would not be surprised if this could be the beginning of an era of protest and civil disturbance rivalling that which took place during the Vietnam Era.
    Mass arrest???
    Are you kidding me???
    Lets hope so!!!!!!
    I would love to see hippies-a-flyin at the receiving end of a fire hose!
    And if the cops hit MTV boy,with the mohawk and 37 face piercings,juuuuuuusssssssstttttttt right,Im sure its going to sound like the bells of saint mary's.
    I cant wait!!!

    What a joke.
    Where were all these people your talking about at election time??

    Lol,just for shits and giggles,even if you got your wish,and it was a massive protest,what do you think would change??
    Do you think the troops would come home the day after that?
    What would change??

    Bush will still be putting his head down at night on a pillow with the white house monogram on it.

    Crying about Bush for the next 4 years isnt going to help.
    Maybe if the dems started now,they might find someone to run,that the population agreed with.

    I just want to know what would be different if Kerry had won???

    Would gays be married?
    Would abortion be legal?
    Would the troops be home??

    anything??

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    I just have to say that as an American citizen, it is not only your right, but your responsibility to question your leaders...to make them accountable.

    It is something that this country does very little of. I will definitely be protesting the inauguration. If the people who disagree with GWB push hard enough...the evidence is there...make him get impeached...along with his whole corrupt cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    DC???
    Do you know anything about it DJ???

    Im afraid the image of who lives in DC is NOT what you see on CNN.
    I know what DC is like, I've been there...

    The population of the District of Columbia, as of 2003 U.S. Census Bureau estimates, is 563,384. 91% percent of them voted against Bush, who like Barry has used cocaine.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Why dont you tell the board why he really had the protesters arrested in Austin.They were storming the capital!!!!!
    In wheelchairs?!!

    "15 protesters -- most of whom were in wheelchairs -- were arrested outside the back gates of the Governor's mansion, where they'd congregated to protest what the disability rights organization ADAPT called "the intent of the state to keep people with disabilities warehoused in nursing homes and other institutions -- against their will."

    According to Clay Robison, the Houston Chronicle's Austin bureau chief, "the demonstrators hardly posed a threat to public safety, much less to the governor, who wasn't even home at the time. But they had ignored officers' orders to clear the exit." So they were arrested, many of them spilling from their wheelchairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    If your aim is to protest AND disrupt,then your shittin on the rights of others and we have laws against that.
    Who the f*ck said it was my aim. I'm not disrupting sh*t, I'm not even gonna be there.

    I was commenting on the possibility that it will happen. But if it does, I'm not going to cry for Bush's party being spoiled, considering what he's done to this country, and what he'd do to disrupt our business, which ain't exactly "family-oriented', if he and his Bible-beating buddies could get away with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Crying about Bush for the next 4 years isnt going to help.

    I just want to know what would be different if Kerry had won???
    Siiting on my ass and meekly accepting an a**hole like Bush isn't going to help, either. If enough people can make it clear that they disapprove of what he is doing, he might stop--like Nixon got out of Vietnam after seeing the nation righteously pissed off about it.

    Here's what would be different, we wouldn't have a guy who seems to be a lying, jingoistic, moronic, overgrown frat-boy for a President.
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    Just some tidbits from the counter-inaugural events calendar:

    Banner and Poster Making Party
    - (1:00 AM - 4:00 AM) Join the creative resistance by making poster, banners, and all kinds of images for January 20.

    Paint and images provided, but we could use poster board, fabric (ex: old sheets), etc.

    Lost Film Fest - (8:30 PM - 11:30 PM)

    LOST FILM FEST ($ is a laugh-a-riot event with equal emphasis on both "laugh" and "riot." Focusing on pranks vs. corporations and government institutions. If George W. Bush makes you puke and you dig pie fights with cops, riot footage, and culture jamming, you'll love the punk rock urgency of the Lost Film Fest and its celebration of illegal art. You've seen the US-centric Fahrenheit 911, now it's time to check out something that's more global in scope.

    Underground Hip Hop and MC Battle Against the Inauguration and the War - (9:00 PM - 1:00 AM)

    A Counter-Inaugural Pre- Protest Event linking local/national/global human rights organizations and advocacy groups against the current administration's policies relating to education, health, environment, and war.

    Organizers: Spirit (artist/Empower DC), Bomani (artist/performer), Parisa (Empower DC) and Pam (artist/activist)

    Performers Include:Bomani (DC), Kahlil (NY), Hicoup (NJ), Versus (Philly), Jah Works (Baltimore), Head-Roc, and Jamie Roundtree (Chicago)


    Okay, lemme get this straight. Making posters, watching movies, and hip hop concerts are going to somehow stop Bush? Sounds more like an impromptu Lollapalooza to me. No wonder he got re-elected.

    Hey, if some people want an excuse to take a sick day from work/school, make some pretty signs, listen to some speeches and music, toke up some ganga, let 'em party I say.

    I did my protesting on Nov. 2 when it counted, by voting for someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite
    Here are some things that the concerned citizens of Las Vegas are going to be "whining about" on J20.
    lol ok now this is just funny.
    Vegas!!!!!
    You said Citizens of VEGAS!!!!
    Say it out loud,im sure you will get the joke!
    Sin city is going to come out and protest!!!!
    "Thats funny,i dont care who ya are"
    Cmon citizens of Vegas"git'er done"
    Like something as trivial as this will interrupt thier gambling!

    The only protesters are going to be bussed in.Half of them are only comming for the free ride to Vegas and will be sitting in front of a slot machine when they hit the radical nuts with the fire hoses.
    How come there is no federal agency with regulatory authority over the U.S. voting machine industry?
    How come all of the voting machine errors detected in the last two elections went in favor of Bush and Republican candidates?
    Why don’t most Americans know that 80% of all votes are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S?
    Why don’t most Americans know that both Diebold and ES&S are run by the Urosevich brothers who are major supporters of the Bush campaign?
    Could this be the smoking gun???
    Its all a cover up?
    The bush camp rigged it with the broken machines,the judges who ruled with the repubs,and the very vote counters themselves.

    They covered all bases.

    My kinda leader!

    How come the media is not allowed to provide our citizens with news that is objective, accurate, unbiased, fair and informative without having to risk jail time or being fired?
    Being fired for telling a lie,then calling it news??
    Your ok with doing this?
    Doesnt matter what side your on,ya gotta keep it legal.
    Im only sorry they wont get sued,like you or i would have done if it were us in the prez shoes.He just doesnt need the press,or the money.
    Who in this country has been tossed in jail for reporting the news since Bush has been in office??I must have missed another story.

    We got alot of free press,almost to much imo,and they all share the same rules and regulations,none of which are ruled by any one side,group,or party.
    There are papers/press for every religion,every race,every belief,and every kink.
    Then ya got the internet.Its endless.

    The people of todays world are more informed about the subjects they choose then at any other time in history.

    Lie,mislead,slander,or falsely incite riots,and its a problem imo,doesnt matter what the press is or who the guy sitting at the news desk is.
    There will also be mass walkouts on college campuses all across the county.
    Lol!! You mean sleep ins!

    Do kids at community collages do walk outs?
    Or do they go to work,then just not go to school that night and save on daycare??

    Are the full time collage kids your talking about,when graduated,going to be the "middle class"to "uppermiddle class"people that you seem to be protesting against now?
    The National Black Panthers Alliance is also inviting all concerned citizens to join them in protesting the horrible things that the Guardians Of Plutocracy are doing to the people in this country and through out the world.
    Did you just say Black panthers??
    Do you support the BP??
    I find them to be a very radical group and dont think i would want to stand next to them at any rally.
    The Black Panthers,like the KKK, were both good plans that went bad,and neither is worth saving in our new world imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    I hate these goddamned 'point/counterpoint' postings, and I have always liked you, Destiny--but you leave me no choice...
    Lighten up Dj, I still like you. Sheesh, its just politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Statistics. My comment was that "GWB is the least popular President to have been just elected since Harry S. Truman..."

    "His popularity ratings are in the low 40s and no president since Harry Truman has been re-elected without job approval ratings of over 50%."

    http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-21-2004-54465.asp

    I have seen these figures elsewhere, too.
    Two things are interesting about this. During Bush's first term, liberals complained that since Bush was elected president despite losing the popular vote, his presidency was somehow illegitimate. Well this time he won both the popular vote and the electoral vote. So what do liberals complain about now? That they don't like him. Well, tough, its called democracy, deal with it. Instead of whining about the outcome of the election you might try going to some of the red states and convincing them of the correctness of your beliefs.

    Second, I stated that the November election was basically a popularity contest which Bush won. In response you pull out charts showing results of the electoral college and a poll from May, 2004.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Yes, I do. .. Clinton got a blow job and lied about it. GWB, however...
    You said, "Those who dislike Bush also tend to dislike him far more than the winning President in other elections." I offered the way conservatives treated Clinton as evidence that that was not necessarily the case. I guess I'm right since you didn't refute that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    You are joking, right? You can't possibly be serious...
    Of course I'm joking. Sheesh I thought it was the republicans that couldn't take a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    No they won't. I'm not going to Washington. Where I am located in Ann Arbor, the republicans are outnumbered...
    Well, wear a heavy jacket, I bet it's cold in Ann Arbor in January.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Whiney-butt, my ass, and Kerry wasn't "my guy", I actually didn't care much for him. But Bush sure as shit isn't my guy either. Pouting, but nonetheless accepting him would be to relinquish my balls, and my conscience as a citizen. I believe he is downright unAmerican, especially in his stance towards religon, the sex industry (thats ours, BTW), free speech--and last but not least--the proper reasons for invading another country. I refuse to accept a man like this as an intelligent, circumspect, moral leader, because he isn't.

    I can think of no better day to express my disapproval than the day the son-of-a-bitch spends 40 million dollars taking office, before he does yet more to f*ck this country up.
    Well, see, we DO have something in common, you didn't care much for Kerry or Bush, and I didn't care much for either of them as well. Dj, you keep saying, "I refuse to accept him..." as if you get to decide who is going to be our president. The country already decided, GWB gets the job for the next four years. When liberals keep saying "we won't accept him..." it just sounds like sour grapes. I not saying you have to like GWB or agree with him. I'm just saying that when democrats sit around whining about the outcome of the last election instead of planning on doing better in the next one, they just comes off as a bunch of whiney-butts that are poor sports. That's not going to do anything to make the people in the red states change their minds next time.
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    How come the media is not allowed to provide our citizens with news that is objective, accurate, unbiased, fair and informative without having to risk jail time or being fired?
    Being fired for telling a lie,then calling it news??
    Your ok with doing this?
    Doesnt matter what side your on,ya gotta keep it legal.
    Im only sorry they wont get sued,like you or i would have done if it were us in the prez shoes.He just doesnt need the press,or the money.
    Who in this country has been tossed in jail for reporting the news since Bush has been in office??I must have missed another story.
    Hmm. I think you must have missed the term "accurate" in her post.

    I dont know off hand about any journalist being put in jail, I would not be the least bit surprised though all things considered about Bush and the current state of the republican party. Jailing people for not supporting GWB doesnt seem like it would be obected to all that much by the party leaders and mouthpeices.

    I do know that several people including journalist have been fired for simply not supporting him publicly.

    And what about the guy who took like 250 grand to promote a Bush program on his radio show. Seems fishy to me. How many other people got paid to support Bush, dont know about anyone else..... but I'm very suspicious indeed.

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    Hmm. I think you must have missed the term "accurate" in her post.

    I dont know off hand about any journalist being put in jail, I would not be the least bit surprised though all things considered about Bush and the current state of the republican party. Jailing people for not supporting GWB doesnt seem like it would be obected to all that much by the party leaders and mouthpeices.

    I do know that several people including journalist have been fired for simply not supporting him publicly.

    And what about the guy who took like 250 grand to promote a Bush program on his radio show. Seems fishy to me. How many other people got paid to support Bush, dont know about anyone else..... but I'm very suspicious indeed.
    If there was even a shred of proof,a nano-speck of a law broken,do you think you would be the first to get "suspicious"?
    Dont you think someone would have said something about it??

    Maybe the "several"people who you know were fired got the Donald Trump because they didnt follow the views of the paper??

    Pleanty of anti Bush papers they can write for.

    In alot of the world,reporters are killed ,not fired ,to go write at a paper that agrees with thier views.
    As a reporter,if you break the rules or guidlines of your employer,you lose your job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Lighten up Dj, I still like you. Sheesh, its just politics.,,

    Of course I'm joking. Sheesh I thought it was the republicans that couldn't take a joke...

    Well, see, we DO have something in common, you didn't care much for Kerry or Bush, and I didn't care much for either of them as well. Dj, you keep saying, "I refuse to accept him..." as if you get to decide who is going to be our president.
    An excellent response. This is the way PP needs to be...

    Sorry I didn't get the joke, BTW it's a good one. If you met me you would know instantly that I do have a sense of humor, but I am a bit gullible and miss the punch line sometimes. But your tone of voice would have worked in this case, I'm sure.

    I actually started this thread in a speculative vein, well after vampire bedtime. I am not a planner or organizer for these protests, though I do approve of them, and their timing. I never expected the response to be as challenging, not that that is a bad thing. I like disagreeing with people I like, as long as it stays respectful--and it did.

    I have more to say on the subject, but later...let's give it a rest for a bit.

    BTW, you would love my girlfriend--she hates Clinton as much as I hate Bush, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    If there was even a shred of proof,a nano-speck of a law broken,do you think you would be the first to get "suspicious"?
    Dont you think someone would have said something about it??

    Maybe the "several"people who you know were fired got the Donald Trump because they didnt follow the views of the paper??

    Pleanty of anti Bush papers they can write for.

    In alot of the world,reporters are killed ,not fired ,to go write at a paper that agrees with thier views.
    As a reporter,if you break the rules or guidlines of your employer,you lose your job.
    Didn't you hear about the lady who was fired for simply having a Kerry Bumper sticker on her car ? She was not a public person either, a factory worker I think.

    I am by far not the only person with suspicions, there are millions of people in this country who share my suspicions. But something I have learned in life is no one can make a person see something if they have their eyes shut, so I wont continue with this one with you..... you seem to have your mind commpletly set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Second, I stated that the November election was basically a popularity contest which Bush won. In response you pull out charts showing results of the electoral college and a poll from May, 2004.
    OK, here you go, a more recent source for the point I was making, which is that GWB is beginning his term with the lowest approval rating of any re-elected President in 50 years.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4283094

    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1300894/posts

    http://www.sznews.com/n1/ca1380288.htm

    I found the third source to be interesting. I like reading other nation's news sources, as well as our own. there are lots of other sources for these figures.

    You got me on the question of whether his opponents hate him more than Clinton's did. That is my opinion of what is likely to be the case. I will see if I can track down data that proves me right or wrong. In the meantime, I think it might support my contention to compare the approval ratings of Bush at re-election with Clinton at re-election. Clearly Bush has more opponents, which would imply that my contention is correct, but will not of course prove it.

    As far as Clinton winning more votes, well, he did win more electoral votes, and as we were told in no uncertain terms in the 2000 election, that's what counts. He won 5.8 million more popular votes than his closest competitor, Bush Sr. in 92, in spite of having a major third party candidate. He won 8.3 million votes more than Dole, with a much less powerful showing from Perot in 96. We have no way of knowing how things would have turned out without Perot in the picture. In the chart I got this information from, there isn't a third party candidate even listed for the 2004 election, in which Bush Jr. won 3.5 million more votes than Kerry.

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html

    An update on the potential for trouble at the Inauguration--much of the parade route has bleachers which have been erected for spectators, which require the purchase of tickets. Demonstrators are unlikely to buy tickets, lol...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

    However, I predict--at the least--some pretty significant numbers of people making their disapproval known in vocal fashion, in DC and elsewhere across the country, which will be impossible to ignore entirely. Though I suspect that the people partying with GWB will do their level best to do that.

    I wonder how the families of the 1300 Americans killed thus far in this disastrous war, fought under false pretenses, will celebrate the Inauguration.
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    I heard a blib on the news that only 10,000 protesters will be allowed . I'm not sure what they plan to do if more than 10,000 show up. Tear gas, jail ? Sadly neither would shock me

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    In the interest of preserving a more humorous approach to this issue, I offer an attractive portrait of the winner:
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    CALL for CRITICAL ASS!
    I just read that DC is banning all signs and puppets for the J20 protests! I wonder if they are going to pull the same crap nationwide. I guess there will be a lot of naked Americans running around on Inauguration Day.

    http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/dis...4379/index.php
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