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    Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Hi everyone!
    I just had a question about pursuing jobs later on after you have stopped stripping. Let's just say you danced for a certain amount of years and you are done with it and ready to pursue a regular day job. Or a job that you went to school for and are qualified and have experience. Is there any way of the employer finding out that you were a stripper and not hire you? Can they find out with your Social Insurance ID even before they've hired you? What if they find out later on, could they fire you based on that? And my final question...what kind of careers usually frown upon the whole stripper career from the past?
    I was wondering Melonie, if you catch this thread if you know about any of this?

    Cianna

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    just a couple pennies worth from me, that is called discrimination and is against the law. didn't mean to pop in here but that hit a nerve

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I guess this is a Canadian question... In the US dancers are usually independent contractors...
    that is, self employed. Sometimes we get paid a very small hourly amount when we are
    considered employees... in which case you'd give out your Social Security number.
    A new employer would ask your social security number for their own payroll. But there's no
    way they could access your work history from the Social Security Administration. They
    may ask you your work/criminal history on their application or in a job interview. They could also
    ask your consent to investigate your credit history and driving record, etc. And they might
    want references from previous jobs. So usually unless you tell them you were a dancer,
    they probably wouldn't know and it probably wouldn't be worth the trouble for them to
    find out. If you're qualifed for the new job and can do the work, why should they care?
    Unless you are going for something that needs a security clearance or has financial
    responsibilities like for a bank teller job or as an armored car driver, etc.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    People I know...who are not dancers are telling me I need to quit now. But I can't afford to quit. I am becoming a teacher and I am student teaching now. I guess I can see everyone's concern. If a parent or other employee finds out, they will be upset because I am a "Bad influence" to the children. Of course I know 5 other teacher strippers at my club and they don't have a problem.

    anyway, I heard a couple of girls talking. One quit and then came back, and the other one wants to quit. The question she asked was "What do I do when they ask previous employment?" One girl said to just tell them the name of club, but don't tell them what you did there. It's none of their business. Or what I do is say I am self employed.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Thank you girls for answering, this question was for everyone, not just Melonie. The reason it looks like I directed it to Melonie is because I remember her talking about this subject in another thread and she had some good advice - I just can't find where that thread was.
    I also think this is discrimination, but I was just wondering if anyone has ever dealt with this?

    Cianna

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    leave it out if it is not important to your work experience. in my opinion, the next obvious question in a job interview to a response of "i'm self employed" would be "so tell me what you do".

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I am also starting my junior year in college and have been fearing this also. I would suggest dancing only part time, and working somewhere else while you dance. I am starting to look into this now also because with a psych degree you almost Have to go to grad school, and don't really want to have to dodge all these question. For me I am going to apply to some local group homes for kids to get some job/work experience and continue working as a dancer on the weekends, working doubles if I have to to replace the money. This is partly due to me hating my club, and wanting to switch clubs, and partly because I really need some more substance in my life than dealing with pervs all day.

    The thing is, if all you do is dance for a few years, you won't be able to list ANY work experience. And if you lie, it can be dug up pretty easily. Many companies will/ and can run background checks. Discrimination in the work place is all over, and listing dancing as a job, no matter how we view it, will generally lead to negative outcomes.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I tell people that I'm a housewife if I am uncomfortable with them knowing what I do, which is rare.
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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I don't think there's any way they can find out here in Australia, unless you tell them.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    If Melonie doesnt see this, why dont you try shooting her a pm?
    She is always very helpful.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    "At-will" employment means that you are working without a contract, and that your employer reserves the right to fire you for any reason whatsoever ("My wife gives bad head... Bob, pack your desk and leave.") It's a loophole to illegality, as they do not have to even give a reason for your firing. YOU may know that they behaved illegally; THEY may know it, but unless you can PROVE it then they merely cite "at-will" employment.

    The obvious answer is to keep your mouth shut. Find something- anything!- that will explain what you've been doing for all this time. Volunteering whilst Daddy paid your bills so you could "find yourself", writing a book, performing off-off-off Broadway, staying home with the kids... think of something and then think of a way that makes it sounds good on your resume. "Well, as a housewife I can attest to my working under high-stress situations requiring precise multi-tasking abilities and a strong motivation to please the customer."
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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I wonder if this would be different if you applied for a government job. Take me for example, i've been accepted to study international relations and should i choose to apply for a job in a government department (such as the department of foreign affairs and trade) for a diplomatic position they do a very rigorous background/employment check. I wonder if they'd have a problem with it. I dont see why they should, especially if i'm law abiding and declare my income, but because they can be a bit anal i can see them possibly choosing someone other than me. It's highly competetive.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigteninch
    leave it out if it is not important to your work experience. in my opinion, the next obvious question in a job interview to a response of "i'm self employed" would be "so tell me what you do".
    of course. I would assume a person would have a bogus occupation prepared. ie: eBay business is a good one.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Cianna, if you're working for one of the agencies in Van...the agencies work under non-stripper sounding names (I won't list them in case of an internet search by your future employer!). So it would come up as you having worked for "so-and-so global enterprises".
    If it came up at all.

    On your taxes, you'll file as an 'independent artist'. Don't write 'stripper' or 'exotic dancer'- write 'performing artist', 'model' or something.

    So basically, I'm saying that as long as you're careful, your paper trail should be all but inaccessible once you quit dancing. Unless you go east and work somewhere where you need a license.

    Most jobs will balk at your having been a dancer. But they can't fire you if they find out.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Scarlett has a great point there, with the name, find out what it says on the atm receipts and you'll know the name of the company. The only thing trying to title the job description. I have owrked at clubs that give waitressing wages and we are titled as that.
    Personally I am leaving that out of my resume, but I have had other jobs... You can also include any extra curricular activities, so remember that.
    I have met a dancer that alplied for many jobs and was turned down, it could be the fact that she put down her last employment as being a dancer, or it might not be. Although oneof the jobs was at Radio Shack, so it might discrimintation, although they'll still give some other BS expcuse, like being over-qualified...
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    What Scarlett says is true. They can't fire you once hired because you dance. But they can make you're job hell, and find a bogus reason to fire you. I have had my share of people trying to get rid of me at the hospital, but so far i hung in there, and i have been there years!

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    I am in the same dilemma of being a student teacher and stripping at the same time and I also work as a substitute teacher at a club that is not too far from the district I subbed in last semester, and I plan on continuing work as a sub after this semester of student teaching.



    Yeah, I do think it is true that you would be immediately dismissed if anyone finds out that you're a teacher and you strip on weekends. So I plan on continuing until I finish school this semester and then I quit stripping in April and just work as a substitute teacher five days per week until I find a permanent teaching job. I am afraid that if I did keep stripping and then someone found out that I would never get a teaching job ever again and it would be really hard because I would have to disclose that I was let go. They are really strict about teachers in Michigan and I had applied as a sub and they did a very thorough background check on me but I got my temporary teaching permit to sub before I had started dancing. But they wanted disclosures from every previous employer.

    This is kind of a tough issue and I would just advise anyone to stop as soon as you can. I'm quitting as soon as I finish school and I'll make less money as a sub until I find a job, but at least I won't have to worry about being found out or losing the opportunity to be a teacher, which is my dream.

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    I also want to add that out and out falsification of your employment application is an out right reason to terminate.

    I once was going to hire a bright young man who was a friend of the family. At the time I worked for a large insurance company. One of the things they asked was "Have you ever been arrested?". He said no.
    They did the background and guess what, when he was in college, he got a DUI. I couldn't hire him and even if I did and they later found out, he could have been immediately fired for falsifying an employment application.

    So be very careful, even if you are hired, and you tried to hide it and covered it up on your app, you can be fired for cause. This can include grades, employment history, credit, etc. etc.

    The reality is that if things go south at work for performance, or your "situation" gets out, you will have little ability to fight and keep your job. And, if you they don't want you there, life is too short to fight and stay in a miserable situation. ... in most cases.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    The types of 'straight' businesses which tend to hold a previous dancing career against a potential job applicant are those that depend on 'public confidence' i.e. squeaky clean reputations. This boils down to working with other people's health (medical), other people's children (education), other people's money (banking), and other people's votes (politics).

    As far as actual risk factors of a previous dancing career being 'discovered', if a girl is working under the table (thus not creating IRS records) or filing as an independent business which doesn't show any association to dancing or sex oriented businesses, if she is working in a city which doesn't require dancer's licenses (thus not creating a public record of the license), and if she is never busted (thus not creating criminal charges on her permanent record), then nobody will be the wiser. However, if a girl files "honest" tax returns, or obtains a dancer's license, or is busted (even bogusly), then there is a pretty fair chance that prospective employers will find out about her previous dancing career.

    If nothing else, a resume' gap with no 'straight' job history stated during a period of actual exotic dancing is a negative all by itself.

    As far as 'descrimination' claims, fugeddaboudit. If a prospective employer has 10 job applicants, odds are that the dancer's application will find its way to the trash can without any reason ever having been given.

    And as Sitri posted, lying or making deliberate omissions on a job application is grounds for being fired later even if you manage to get hired initially.

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    But if they ask for previous employment history, and that job isnt relevant to the current one you're applying for, you dont have to list it as a previous employment. Its very different from asking "Have you ever been arrested". If an application asked "have you ever been a stripper" then yeah, you would have to answer one way or another, but when asked to list prior work experience, ive always just listed ones relevant to the job im applying for. Just my $.02


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    But if they ask for previous employment history, and that job isnt relevant to the current one you're applying for, you dont have to list it as a previous employment
    technically, this would be a 'significant omission'.

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    Default Re: Jobs that say NO to x-strippers - Melonie?

    Thank you so much everyone...I'm glad that I asked. Don't mean to bring everyone down though, but this subject was bugging me for a while. I don't think the career I have gone to university for (bachelor's) is one of the ones you have to have a squeaky clean record for. I hope. I'm gonna check it out though...

    Cianna

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