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    Hiding my stripper identity

    Ok, Im 18 and i just started dancing. What im wondering about is actually money, taxes and all that stuff. I looked thorugh the dollar den but there was nothing to answer my simple little question. So here it is..Will the club take all my information including social security number, will it make me file all those tax forms like any other job place? I know that all of you think i should, but I CANT LET MY PARENTS FIND OUT! so i dont want to give out any serious info. Another reason, besides letter my parents find out about this, would be college. Im going to college next fall and plannin on going to Med. school after that. I hate society's stupid stereotypes and rules and im scared that being a stripper now with official documents will bite me in the ass later. itd be perfect if i could just dance, get my money, pay the house fee and remain anonymous ahhhh is that possible at all??

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    Hey sweetie!
    It sounds like you a a few of the concerns that was worried about. WAS worried about, I started a thread in Stripping section called "jobs that say NO to x-strippers" that might help you with your concerns. As far as the tax thing goes, I haven't figured that out yet cause I'm new at dancing too. From what other dancers told me, you should file a tax return like any other job, and call yourself "self employed." There might be a camoflauge name for your club that you can use to call it.
    Remember to use your stage name ALL the time with people you know in the business that you talk to. On your taxes you will have to use your own, of course. I've just finished my bachelors degree so I'm lucky...but if I go for a masters then it has to be a secret.

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    GENERALLY (and this isn't always... but generally) you will NOT get any sort of tax return from the club. You're strictly a cash-basis independent contractor. Period. For my tax returns, I put down "waitress" and listed my tip income. Other than that, the clubs generally have NO way of communicating with the IRS over what you make, cuz they really don't keep track or know about that.

    Also -- and again this is totally general -- the club will have almost NO contact with you outside the club. I hate to say it, but most managers could give a s--t if they heard you'd been in a car wreck 'cept for how it will f--k up their schedule. They will almost NEVER call you at home. To be on the safe side, give them your cell phone number. As for them sending you some sort of correspondence..... remember, most club managers don't know enough English to write a letter.

    Also -- for what it's worth -- nearly every club is incorporated as something totally different from their public name. They do that for a perfectly selfish reason -- so that customers paying on credit card won't get a bill at home with something like "Big Dick's Titty Bar" on the statement. It will read something like "Richards Steak House". Seriously, or "Richard's Enterprises", or even "Richard's Transmission Repair Shop". So, even if they DID send you a tax form (which they won't), you're not going to see "Dicks Titty Bar" on the envelope.

    Did you fill out an IRS form W-4? You almost certainly didn't. Only then would you get a W-2 at the end of the year. The club does NOT want to have dancers filling out W-4's, cus then they'd have to pay social security and medicare taxes and unemployment taxes on you. Hardly ANY clubs do that (only the ones like peep shows that pay the girls by the hour) and they'll tell you up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cianna
    As far as the tax thing goes, I haven't figured that out yet cause I'm new at dancing too.
    Cianna

    actually, MELONIE is a walking expert on this sort of stuff. seriously...........!


    MELONIE, WHERE ARE YOU?? SOME OF US NEED YOUR INCREDIBLE WISDOM HERE!

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    Number one, I can understand your fears of parents finding out being only 18 years old.

    Do you plan on living at home while you dance? Even if a club did file a 1099 on your earnings why would your parents know???

    If you are concerned about that, rent a mailbox at a Mail and More or UPS store type of place and put that address on your club paperwork. Start having all your personal mail going there.

    At your age you should be filing your own taxes and not be on your parents returns.

    Now, in my years of experience dancing I will tell you this. MOST large clubs that don't pay you a wage or base pay will not report earnings to the IRS.

    The only money I have ever had reported to the IRS has been from clubs that pay me a base pay and the only thing that is reported is the base pay and not the cash earned on stage and by selling dances.

    Since the majority of clubs don't pay you anything, and don't keep track of what each dancer is making on the floor, reporting shouldn't be an issue.

    As far as medical school is concerned, and getting a job afterwards I wouldn't worry about that. You should be fine. By the time you finish med school in 9 years or so, societal stigmas towards dancing should be lessened.

    If you continue to dance through college, and intend to buy a finance a car or buy a house I would definately report your income, at least enough of it to show you can afford what you are buying, and for now keep as little money as possible in the bank and never over $10,000.

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    You won't have to fill out any paper work, but most clubs will take your SSN which makes you an employee of that club. so yes, you have to file taxes or else the IRS will come after you. But if you file your taxes separate from your parents they can't find out.

    Same thing as Tina said, keep little money in the bank. Maybe what you need for bills and other expenses you can deposit, but other than that get a safe deposit box. The money in the box you won't have to claim because they won't know what you keep in there.

    You're parents really have no way of finding out, unless you start blowing your money on expensive things. LOL Yea the whole reason I started dancing was college, and yea cause of the stereotype and crap-every time someone got mad at me they will take out my stripping on me. It got so bad I had to move out (so i don't blame you for keeping it a secret). So now I dance for school, rent, and bills. It sucks cause I hate dancing, but I'll tell ya it's going to get my butt through school a lot faster so I can get out of the club sooner

    And I dance with a girl who is in med school too, another one in VET school. a few girls with PHd's. Anyone can dance and if you don't want anyone to know, then don't tell them. You don't have too.

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    the biggest question in your situation is that by declaring a significant amount of dancing income a girl living at home could put her parents' tax return in jeopardy, since such issues would arise as who can legally claim the dancer as a dependent, who provided more than 50% of the dancer's support etc.

    Choosing not to declare any dancing income at all of course solves this problem but exposes the dancer to potential tax evasion charges if she is ever discovered. Furthermore, if that dancer is also a college student and applies for gov't grants/loans without reporting her dancing income on the loan applications, if she is ever discovered she can add fraud charges to tax evasion. On the other hand, since grant/loan applications go on family income, if the dancer does report her dancing income there is absolutely no way that her own income and her parents' incomes are going to avoid appearing on the same loan application page. On the other hand if the dancer doesn't report her dancing income and her parents sign the loan/grant application to that effect, it potentially also exposes the parents to fraud charges if the dancer's unreported income is ever discovered.

    This leads of course to the risk factors involved in a dancer's unreported income being discovered. If the club keeps absolutely no employment records in regard to dancer's real names and Social Security numbers, if the club keeps no daily/weekly records in regard to which dancers worked which shifts or how many private dances each dancer performed, then the risk factors are really small. However, if there is a job application in the club's safe with every girl's real name, real address and Social Security number, if there are club records of daily dancer schedules, if there are club records of payouts to dancers of their 'share' of private dances etc. then the seeds of disaster exist. In the latter case, if the IRS or any other law enforcement agency should be given reason to investigate the club i.e. an incident of customer violence a la today's New Jersey club, a club bust, association of the club with other charges such as credit card fraud etc. it is entirely possible that the records found in the club's safe may be the start of further investigations.

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    You might want to consider waiting until you are finished w/ your undergraduate degree before you start dancing, if your financial aid is substantially need based. The school expects student contribution to be as much as 30% of the previous year's earnings, which will suck when you refile your fafsa for sophomore year and you've been stripping as a freshman. Do not worry about med school or your reputation as a doctor because of it - it is information they cannot have without your consent. Lots of girls at my club are in professional school, themselves, and it really keeps you from going into a quarter million dollars in debt over it.

    Additionally, since you can be considered a dependent of your parents if they cover more than 50% of your living, i.e. because they can when you're a full-time college student, you have to be sure your income is less than half of what they give you - not just in cash, but tuition, food, housing, etc. Unless you're waitressing in a huge city like NYC, it's very unlikely that your parents will buy that you are not a stripper. If your parents file their taxes w/ an accountant, you might be able to work out a way to get off the hook by filing w/ the same account, since they can prepare their taxes without their knowing you are no longer a dependent. This is if the accountant can be trusted not to tell them. More issues arise if there is some sort of divorce agreement, like mine had, where one receives child support for claiming you or they split your living expenses.

    You should also ask the club their attitude toward privacy. A manager should be sympathetic toward you're hiding your identity, especially because of stalker issues. If someone, even your parents, were to call the club to confirm your identity, they should not be releasing this information without a court order or police investigation. If you do not want them calling you, ever, you should mention this before you miss shift and they call to find our where you're at. My manager does have my cell number for this purpose, but if I hadn't wanted to provide a phone number I didn't have to.
    ...and the day came, when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became worse than the risk it took to blossom.

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    I just noticed what Melonie said about living at home. All through college even though I had a job my parents claimed me as a dependant. I think they had to provide at least 50% of my support and since I never was a stripper and didn't make crap it wasn't a problem. What kind of paperwork (if any) did the club have you fill out when you started?

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    thanks guys all of you are reaallyyy helpful!

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    Bunny, in terms of paperwork, it really depends on the club. I know from my friends that when working in upstate NY they didn't have to file any and just kind of "showed up" when they felt like it. Obviously, it is much easier to remain annonymous that way. In San Fran, I've had to fill out one legal form as a contractor to the club, and sign a contract (w/ my real name) agreeing to my working obligations (stage fees). Now, as an employee, there has been a ton of paperwork I needed to fill out, since my club does everything by the book. This includes legal forms like any other job and reporting nightly tips.
    ...and the day came, when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became worse than the risk it took to blossom.

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    Do you have to live at home? For me it was much easier to lie to my mom when I moved out. It was hard to explain 4 days outta the week leaving at 4pm and returning at 12am or so. "ugh um I went to a party....I watched a movie....We went bowling???"
    I used all those so many times Im so glad she never found out...THEN I mean. She knows not but not of me wanting to return. BTW I hate bowling I suck at it sooo bad.
    As for the taxes I didnt make all that much about 150-200 a night/day so I didnt claim any of it. But, doing that alot or other bad tax habits can get everyone in alot of trouble.
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