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    In keeping with what seems to be a hot topic on this board I submit this story I just found online:

    Religious Gala Foretells Conservative Agenda
    Thursday, January 20, 2005
    By Lisa Porteus


    Emboldened by a clear win and focused on President Bush's second term in the White House, Christian conservatives had something to party about Wednesday night at a gala that was part celebration, part policy-planning session.
    Unlike other balls planned around Bush's inauguration, guests spent a portion of the evening discussing prospective policies, like introducing a new constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and ensuring that the president's judicial nominees get confirmed.

    "Now we've got a big job ahead of us — that is to take the agenda we talked about in the campaign and make it a reality,” Karl Rove, Bush's senior adviser, told those attending the Christian Inaugural Eve Gala in Washington. “We also have to be patient because not everything is going to be done overnight.”

    Newly-elected Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman also attended the event and thanked all those who helped re-elect the president. Bush is “a man who shares our values, a man who will always do the right thing ... you truly know his heart,” he said.

    Immediately after Bush won the presidential election in November, political observers proclaimed that the far right and Bush's evangelical Christian base combined with his “moral values” platform had propelled the 43rd president to victory.

    The Christian conservative movement “has been slowly rising. It has reached a clear tidewater point,” Rev. Louis Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition, sponsor of the event, told FOXNews.com. “Where we go from here remains to be seen in terms of the issues we're able to address.”

    The president appealed to this base, in large part, because it was receptive to his views on limiting embryonic stem-cell research, enacting a constitutional amendment specifying that marriage is between a man and a woman, promoting his faith-based initiatives and asserting his faith while serving in the Oval Office.

    Heading into another four years, Sheldon said Christians hope to see more of that commitment, and are invigorated for the fight.

    Although the president has denied using a “litmus test” to nominate candidates for the judicial bench, many Democrats and others are concerned that the president's nominees will be too conservative and could lead to the overturning of landmark rulings like the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

    “The way the courts are headed, chances are good” for a constitutional amendment to be passed banning gay marriage, Sheldon said. However, the courts still could overturn the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996. Sheldon said his group wants to go further than DOMA and call for a measure also banning civil unions.

    South Dakota Sen. John Thune, who beat former Democratic Senate Leader Tom Daschle in November, told FOXNews.com that such an amendment may not be out of the question, particularly given the shift toward red, pro-Bush states among the American electorate.

    “We've got some heavy lifting ahead of us, but I think more and more of these, perhaps, senators that represented red states in this last election realize they can't afford to get too out of step with their constituents, especially when it comes to some of these cultural issues,” Thune said.

    “I think we're going to continue to consistently see progress in time in winning people over on that issue. It's not going to happen overnight, but we have to keep raising it and fighting to make sure we are doing everything we can to protect and defend traditional marriage and not allow the courts to define it for us.”

    Thune said he hopes other issues that were stalled during the last Congress will resurface and face action soon, including passing a comprehensive energy policy and enacting tort reform.

    “I'm anxious to get to work. We've got a big agenda ahead of us,” he said.

    Outgoing Attorney General John Ashcroft, the main speaker of the event, said the nation's prayers and the president's faith have helped Bush make strong decisions, despite harsh criticisms that have come his way.

    When recently applauding the president for his strong resolve and determination, Ashcroft said Bush's response was: "John, I know what I believe in and in whom I believe."

    During his remarks, a light-hearted Ashcroft poked fun at the press' tendency to pick him apart for various decisions he's made, particularly those concerning civil liberties in a post-Sept. 11 world. But on a more serious note, he said he would not have been able to lead the nation's law enforcement community the way he has since the terror attacks had it not been for his own faith.

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    We're gonna need God's help. Just not their God.

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    Amen to that Maxine!

    One of the parts that really got me was this:
    "Sheldon said his group wants to go further than DOMA and call for a measure also banning civil unions."

    Why do they need to ban civil unions too? I don't understand these people at all. How in the heck did they get so screwed up in the head?

    And what person in their right (no pun intended) mind wants to outlaw abortion? The medical repercussions alone should be enough to keep it legal and most important safe. I shudder at the thought of one of my sisters or nieces finding herself with no other choice than to see a butcher type Dr. like the women had to do before Roe v Wade. And lets not forget how many babies would end up in foster care or homeless. And can you imagine how many more children the government would end up supporting? I don't quite see how over turning Roe v Wade accomplishes the so called goal of smaller government that conservatives claim to want. What a farce that is anyway.

    It really scares me that these people have been voted into power. It makes me think the overseas stereotype of "stupid Americans" might be true after all !

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    Watch out Mark...this section turns into a free-for-all....you seem to be sharing freely as a liberal guy, and the last abortions threads were uuugggly.......LOL...well, usually I stay out.
    Oh well, anyone who uses John Mayer as an avatar has sufficent sweetness to be fawned over by exotic dancers!!!

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    Well thanks -blushes- for the compliment and advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W.
    Amen to that Maxine!

    One of the parts that really got me was this:
    "Sheldon said his group wants to go further than DOMA and call for a measure also banning civil unions."
    Why do they need to ban civil unions too? I don't understand these people at all. How in the heck did they get so screwed up in the head?
    are you saying that all catholics and muslims are screwed up in the head because thier religion has told them for 1000's of years that being homosexual is wrong?
    Sheldon is a reverand.
    His group is a christian group.

    Did you expect them to say anything different??

    And what person in their right (no pun intended) mind wants to outlaw abortion?
    I do for one.Seems like alot of people agree with me,to include supreme court judges,the president,and alot of churches.
    What MALE in thier right mind would support the exemption of any right they have to thier offspring??

    A man who supports abortion?Are you freekin kidding me???
    Roe wade is under attack and wont be around in 10 years IMO.

    Maybe if someone was to start an abortion thread,someone can tell many reasons why,as a man,to support abortion is not of sound mind or moral fiber.


    It really scares me that these people have been voted into power.
    Maybe you should LLeave a LLight on for the next 4 years then if your so scared.
    The people voted,get over it.

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    I believe I already stated why I feel that way about abortion but since you missed it here it is again.

    The medical repercussions alone should be enough to keep it legal and most important safe. I shudder at the thought of one of my sisters or nieces finding herself with no other choice than to see a butcher type Dr. like the women had to do before Roe v Wade. And lets not forget how many babies would end up in foster care or homeless. And can you imagine how many more children the government would end up supporting? I don't quite see how over turning Roe v Wade accomplishes the so called goal of smaller government that conservatives claim to want.

    Also , I do not plan on falling prey to your obvious antagonism. I am just here to share and discuss not get into some kind of online warfare, so you might not want to waste your time.

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    To go into the realm of the abortion discussion. As a woman I would never want my government to outlaw my reproductive rights. I am very Pro choice it is not my decision what any other woman except myself does or choses. Just as it is not my decision what another woman does I feel that it isn't the governments either. I would want the government federal and state to protect my safety when it comes to medical or surgical abortions so that like Mark W. said it won't go back to alley abortions. I'm all for adoption, but not too many babies that are minorities end up getting adopted. In most states, the biological father has no right to say for the mother to not have an abortion. Only Ten states have unenforceable laws requiring spousal consent or notice (CO, FL, IL, KY, LA, ND, PA, RI, SC, UT). Like everything in the legal realm abortion laws are disputable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muyaha
    Only Ten states have unenforceable laws requiring spousal consent or notice (CO, FL, IL, KY, LA, ND, PA, RI, SC, UT).
    Ok i didnt know this???

    Is that married spouse or the father of the baby?

    A husband can say No to abortion and force the woman to carry to term???

    Would love to know more about this.

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    From my knowledge and looking around the web spouse/ biological father is interchangable. But even though they have these spousal consent law they are unenforceable. The Supreme Court struck down Pennsylvania's mandatory husband notice law in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

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    This is downright unAmerican.

    We need to keep Jesus out of our government--but these people are making it next to impossible.

    Christianity went a long way towards weakening the Roman Empire. Now it's going to fuck up a good thing here in the USA, unless these people are stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Ok i didnt know this???

    Is that married spouse or the father of the baby?

    A husband can say No to abortion and force the woman to carry to term???

    Would love to know more about this.
    I'm sure you would. And force is the perfect word for it too , but anyway
    as for fathers rights laws-- what I know of FL law is that a father has a window of time to state his case and he has to prove that he was supportive of the mother (I think this is too keep men from just showing up out of nowhere to get back at the woman) and I also think that he has to show that he can care for a child in all the needed ways including emotionaly.

    I have never heard of a single case of a father using these rights though, most of the stories I hear are guys that disappear and leave women pregnant and stranded or guys who are out there having 4/5 kids with all differnt mothers and not supporting any of them.

    I wish there more good fathers out there like I had, but sadly it doesnt seem to nearly as commonplace as absent fathers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    I wish there more good fathers out there like I had, but sadly it doesnt seem to nearly as commonplace as absent fathers
    Im glad ya had a good one,i had a good one also and try to parent by his example to my own flock.

    Would you agree that MOST fathers are good and its a small % who are the "absent"fathers or the guys who hit and run on 4-5 girls??
    I would.

    So you deny the rights of good fathers because of what a small percentage is doing???
    Hmmmmmmm

    Now apply that thought pattern to the other topics we have been discussing....


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    The Jesus freaks are the real winners of this election...

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...tofagood4years

    ' "Religion and morality," Sheldon repeated. "That's what is happening--that fusion of religion and morality and public policy has now come about."

    Sheldon's parties were an opportunity for Bush supporters to enjoy a hard-fought victory. They also were a celebration of Christian political muscle and a reminder of what this important constituency expects from the White House in Bush's second term.

    Naturally, issues important to evangelical Christians never were far from their minds: A constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, overturning Roe vs. Wade, bringing religion back to the public square.

    The administration took notice..."

    Guess where stripclubs stand in relation to "that fusion of religion and morality and public policy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Im glad ya had a good one,i had a good one also and try to parent by his example to my own flock.

    Would you agree that MOST fathers are good and its a small % who are the "absent"fathers or the guys who hit and run on 4-5 girls??
    I would.

    So you deny the rights of good fathers because of what a small percentage is doing???
    Hmmmmmmm

    Now apply that thought pattern to the other topics we have been discussing....

    I am happy you also had a good father And like you I am also teaching my child by my Dad's example-- But no, sadly I don't feel there are more good Dad's ( these days as in the past 20 years) than bad Dad's.
    I don't feel absent fathers make up a small % of fathers , there are only a small % of good Dad's.

    The statistics of single parent households in this country is way, way up there. Majority of those single parents are mothers and most mothers do not choose to be single parents either. There are sooooooooo many dead beat Dad's out there.

    I also don't feel that legal abortions take away a man's rights either, except maybe for a very, very rare few. For those men I feel bad, sure-- but I think that type of situation is maybe 1 in a million, quite literly. And I just don't think that outlawing ALL abortions because of a 1 in a million situation is the right thing to do.

    That is all I am going to say about this with you to avoid getting into our usual arguments. I hope I answered your questions.

    Have a nice day

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    We're presently having quite a debate in Los Angeles County after three of our five county supervisors voted to have a small cross removed from the Los Angeles County Seal. In the news, I think, because of an ACLU lawsuit initiated over this seal. From what I've read/heard about it, this seal has been used since 1957. Personally, I don't give a rat's rump whether this cross is or is not on the county seal here. As far as I can tell, just a lot of "hot air" from both sides. Personally, I never knew what was on the L.A. county seal...until the ruckus being raised now.


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    ^^^^^^^^
    Just another attempt to erase the history and tradition that founded this country.

    I would bet that MOST people who lived there didnt know it either.

    Thank goodness for the people who's job it is to keep us safe from little crosses on seals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Ok i didnt know this???

    Is that married spouse or the father of the baby?

    A husband can say No to abortion and force the woman to carry to term???

    Would love to know more about this.
    Get with the times - men have no rights in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ
    We're presently having quite a debate in Los Angeles County after three of our five county supervisors voted to have a small cross removed from the Los Angeles County Seal. In the news, I think, because of an ACLU lawsuit initiated over this seal. From what I've read/heard about it, this seal has been used since 1957. Personally, I don't give a rat's rump whether this cross is or is not on the county seal here. As far as I can tell, just a lot of "hot air" from both sides. Personally, I never knew what was on the L.A. county seal...until the ruckus being raised now.


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    Huh. 1957 was a good year for Crosses and In God We Trust and other "we ain't no dirty athiest communist" labelling of various government symbols.

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    A cross doesn't belong there, but probably no one noticed.
    As for "Jesus freaks" being the winners of the election... apparently a majority of
    the people are "Jesus freaks" or at least sympathize with them. But why is it
    you are a weird "freak" if you are Christian? So is it un-American that the
    majority opinion won? No, that's actually very-American... in other words that's
    democracy. So I guess we'll have to be against democracy because the ignorant
    voters are stupid Jesus freaks. Only we (non-Christians? Atheists? I don't even
    know what we ought to be) know best. (Of course, Kerry is Catholic and church
    going too, isn't he? And Al Gore went to church too.) The news story starting
    this thread was mostly a quotation from one Christian minister... obviously the views
    are simply his own.

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