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    Wondering how experiences like the one I had tonight may have contributed to your SCJ habits....

    So...tonight I'm at the Staples Center in downtown LA enjoying a few Kobe-free pre-game cocktails at the public bar/restaurant, the Skybox, with a male friend. A pair of enhanced LA bim barflies start chatting us up, and one them asks for our cards, which we both moronically handed over. My friend's card describes him as a business owner, which clearly sparks this girl's interest. `A few minutes pass with typical bar fly talk and my friend leaves to hit the head. While transparently attempting to not be conspicuous, one of the girls pulls out a palm pilot with wi-fi internet access. I semi-jokingly ask if she's running our TRW's and she giggles and responds "no, silly....I'm running a D&B on your friend's business." I'm speechless for a minute, then realize I might as well get some use out of this, since D&B reports cost around $50 (last i checked). I ask her to email us both copies.

    Up to this point I'm a bit shocked, but enjoying the humor value of this truly over-the-top act of prospecting by this girl. Then she goes and blows it by adding, "gawd, don't tell him, he'll get the wrong idea. I'll send you a copy, though." She looks up, smiles, and winks at me.

    The evening wasn't a total loss. The Lakers beat Frisco sans Kobe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Wondering how experiences like the one I had tonight may have contributed to your SCJ habits....
    ok, but why would an experience like that contribute to anyone's sc habits?

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Up to this point I'm a bit shocked, but enjoying the humor value of this truly over-the-top act of prospecting by this girl.
    next time, you can up the entertainment value even more by telling her you're Chuck Knoblach (top of the page)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    ok, but why would an experience like that contribute to anyone's sc habits?
    Oh... maybe the bitter Machiavellian view that a person could develop towards interacting with the opposite sex. And a knee-jerk reaction like I had.

    You see, she was joking. You really think its possible to get a D&B report in a crowded bar on a PDA and then read the thing? I highly doubt it.

    Of course maybe this was all part of some even greater cunning master plan of hers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Oh... maybe the bitter Machiavellian view that a person could develop towards interacting with the opposite sex. And a knee-jerk reaction like I had.
    i see your point. still, that's a bit like jumping from the frying pan and into the fire. a sc is the last place a person should go in search of meaningful social interaction. unless, one considers paying a cartoon character/sex worker meaningful social interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    i see your point. still, that's a bit like jumping from the frying pan and into the fire.
    True, but my point was also about a more subtle, progressive issues.

    In retrospect, this was a pretty cryptic quasi-parable posting.

    My point was that I can see how misunderstanding the motivations of the opposite sex in either environment, outside vs. inside a strip club, could easily lead to worse misunderstandings in the other environment, possibly even feeding back. Fairly extreme and bitter stereotypes in both environments is a potential end result.

    Neither these girls at the Skybox, nor I'm guessing most dancers are "gold-digging barflies". I misunderstood a harmless joke, and envisioned punk boot camp.... ...for a moment.

    Likewise in the other direction, misunderstanding or simply forgetting from time to time that dancers are professionals at their workplace, is obviously common (from reading the ever present pink-side complaints about certain customers.) For customers that frequent sc's and repeatedly see young girls drinking and fawning over older, often much older customers, while very rarely true emotions are in play, any misunderstandings might tend to build a stereotype that extends outside the club. Dancers aren't "gold-diggers" in the perjorative sense, they're gold miners with legitimately leased mineral rights. I'm joking of course. They're simply sales people, doing what is virtually an art form in the US -- selling people shit they don't need, but just gotta get . (I recall a pink side thread where this was literally the case... custy purchased feces.)

    Of course men are not always the problem. Most of us have certainly met a few pretty shameless gold-digging barflies, and I'm sure many SCJ's have met thieving dancers, lying about dances, picking your pocket, etc.. "The Rules" threw some fuel on this fire as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    My point was that I can see how misunderstanding the motivations of the opposite sex in either environment, outside vs. inside a strip club, could easily lead to worse misunderstandings in the other environment, possibly even feeding back. Fairly extreme and bitter stereotypes in both environments is a potential end result.
    i agree. in reality, one really has nothing to do with the other. it's two totally different environments.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Dancers aren't "gold-diggers" in the perjorative sense, they're gold miners with legitimately leased mineral rights. I'm joking of course. They're simply sales people, doing what is virtually an art form in the US -- selling people shit they don't need, but just gotta get
    sure, and that was one of my points in the "walking atm's, fembots and objectification" thread. i could care less if a dancer thought of customers as a walking ATM. in fact, criticizing a dancer for hustling a sucker out of his money makes about as much sense as cursing a fish for breathing underwater. a customer should concentrate on being a better player instead. on the flip side, i could care less if a customer viewed or treated a stripper as a sex object. as far as i am concerned, it's all part of the game inside of a sc.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Of course men are not always the problem.
    no, the problem is that everyone wants to play the game, but without incurring any risk and always being assured of a favorable outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    My point was that I can see how misunderstanding the motivations of the opposite sex in either environment, outside vs. inside a strip club, could easily lead to worse misunderstandings in the other environment, possibly even feeding back. Fairly extreme and bitter stereotypes in both environments is a potential end result.
    Yo. Word. Ditto. Whatever.

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    Default Re: Gold-digging barflies

    It would be good to investigate those tendencies in any gal you are attempting to get close to----before you have a chance to get close.

    It may save buying a house for someone you grow to hate.

    Question is how do we guys do that? If we are used to strippers, we may be somewhat immune to and non-observant of the initial subtle hints.

    Not only stripper types likely to be gold-diggers (and professionally good at it), but many civilian gals are too. Or so I've found.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Wondering how experiences like the one I had tonight may have contributed to your SCJ habits....
    Absolutely. I spent time with five girls last summer (dancers and non-dancers) in and out of club. And only one of them did not want money from me.

    In the club, it doesn't matter. And can easily be blown off if not done too often. Out of club, the dancer rules should not apply.

    You start to think "...there is no difference"....

    >>>Sad<<<

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    Not only stripper types likely to be gold-diggers (and professionally good at it), but many civilian gals are too.
    i don't get it. i can understand the civilian broads, but how can you guys characterize a stripper as a 'gold digger'? i've never understood how some PLs can make statements like, "she's only interested in my money", in regards to a dancer. it's one thing to criticize a stripper for being lame at her job performance-wise. it quite another to criticize her for doing what she is supposed to do. it's akin to going to a whorehouse and complaining that the whore didn't make you feel like she loved you, despite the fact that she practically screwed you back into the moronic stages of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by sadbuttrue
    You start to think "...there is no difference"....
    it shouldn't be that confusing,sad. one is a sex worker and the other one isn't...
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    I did not give specifics, so it wasn't clear.

    One was the ATF. And although there had been so much OTC, it appeared we were trying to go back to whatever for money. No excuse for her.

    A second was the fave. But she did not push it, so no problem. She is my dancer and not OTC. Understood.

    A third was a dancer whom I knew who possibly could have been a friend. But again it was OTC and we had met differently before dance. Understood, but barely.

    A fourth, this one was set up by a friend and is a non-dancer. This one wanted to take me for a lot. NO EXCUSE.

    The fifth is a very special one. A long-time friend and non-dancer. On this one, rests a lot of my belief that there are girls that don't want to take you to the cleaners. But then again I don't believe in aliens.

    The fourth one burned me. As far as dance goes, my belief is, if it is OTC then there should be no thought of money other than normal friends taking care of each other. But some girls don't see that.

    >>>Sad<<<

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadbuttrue
    A fourth, this one was set up by a friend and is a non-dancer. This one wanted to take me for a lot. NO EXCUSE.

    The fifth is a very special one. A long-time friend and non-dancer. On this one, rests a lot of my belief that there are girls that don't want to take you to the cleaners. But then again I don't believe in aliens.
    okay, two civilians and if you want to characterize the one civilian as a gold digger and the other as special (ie: she didn't ask you for money)....fine. i just don't see how either would apply to a stripper.


    Quote Originally Posted by sadbuttrue
    One was the ATF. And although there had been so much OTC, it appeared we were trying to go back to whatever for money. No excuse for her.

    A second was the fave. But she did not push it, so no problem. She is my dancer and not OTC. Understood.

    A third was a dancer whom I knew who possibly could have been a friend. But again it was OTC and we had met differently before dance. Understood, but barely.
    now, i'm confused. you said only one woman out of the five didn't want money from you. so, do you consider all three strippers 'gold diggers' in some way or just the ATF and the third dancer?


    Quote Originally Posted by sadbuttrue
    As far as dance goes, my belief is, if it is OTC then there should be no thought of money other than normal friends taking care of each other. But some girls don't see that.
    why should they? if you were strictly talking about civilian women. i could see your point. however, when you're talking about strippers, like most conflicts in a sc. i think the conflict here arises around the issue of unrealistic expectations. obviously, if a stripper expects money. she's not a normal friend. after all, a stripper is a sex worker and most sex workers would like to get paid for their time even OTC. yes, there are exceptions, but let's not overemphasize them (as a lot of people are wont to do) to the point to where one misleads himself into thinking that his chances are pretty good.

    so, while she may not come straight out and ask for money. the expectation for money or some other sort of consideration (ie: she's short on her rent this month or shopping on your credit card) may still be there on her part. in any case, if you're seeking some sort of normal friendship. i think you can find a more suitable class of friends outside of a sc or at least the type of friends that you don't have to pay to sit on your balls. so, i don't think you can really lay the blame at their feet for wanting money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    okay, two civilians and if you want to characterize the one civilian as a gold digger and the other as special (ie: she didn't ask you for money)....fine. i just don't see how either would apply to a stripper.
    I guess what I am saying is that if I want the kind of treatment that this civilian gold digger gave me, I might as well stay in the clubs and have someone jump up and down on my balls. I expect a girl to be trying to get what she wants in a club.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    now, i'm confused. you said only one woman out of the five didn't want money from you. so, do you consider all three strippers 'gold diggers' in some way or just the ATF and the third dancer?
    Just the ATF and the third. I expect it in the SC with the second.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    why should they? if you were strictly talking about civilian women. i could see your point. however, when you're talking about strippers, like most conflicts in a sc. i think the conflict here arises around the issue of unrealistic expectations. obviously, if a stripper expects money. she's not a normal friend. after all, a stripper is a sex worker and most sex workers would like to get paid for their time even OTC. yes, there are exceptions, but let's not overemphasize them (as a lot of people are wont to do) to the point to where one misleads himself into thinking that his chances are pretty good.

    so, while she may not come straight out and ask for money. the expectation for money or some other sort of consideration (ie: she's short on her rent this month or shopping on your credit card) may still be there on her part. in any case, if you're seeking some sort of normal friendship. i think you can find a more suitable class of friends outside of a sc or at least the type of friends that you don't have to pay to sit on your balls. so, i don't think you can really lay the blame at their feet for wanting money.
    Oh no, you are probably right. It's just Sad's rules of fair play. I expect OTC to be almost without all that. I'm generally not seeking a friendship with dancers, but when the opportunity arises I try to treat it as a regular friendship. The transition to real friend or other is a hard one for dancers to make if it starts in the club and goes out (having been used to money and now not getting it).

    Stripperfest had a pretty good feel from the dancer side of things, though. Just people from a chat room getting together with some common interests.

    >>>Sad<<<

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    This thread is exactly why I would rather hang around in a strip club than a regular bar. When a hot, enhanced woman comes up to me at my favorite SC I know exactly why she is there and what she hopes to gain from the interaction. At this point in my life, I don't see how anything that happens between a man and a woman in a non strip club environment would alter my perceptions of how both men and women interact the SC environment. Maybe 20 years ago but not today.
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    A gold-digger, to me, is a woman only interested in your money, and that wants to marry you to lay claim to it. She's looking for the richest acceptable guy she can land, with little or no concern for an emotional connection.

    A woman that is attempting to fleece you of money with charm and flattery, sounds more like a time-share salesman to me.

    A "meal-ticket" relationship perhaps is much more in line with what you all are describing. Someone that pretends to be your friend to get freebies and free meals, and lots of loans. You would be the meal ticket.

    OK I'm not clear here:


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    Originally Posted by sadbuttrue
    As far as dance goes, my belief is, if it is OTC then there should be no thought of money other than normal friends taking care of each other. But some girls don't see that.

    mr_punk: why should they? if you were strictly talking about civilian women. i could see your point. however, when you're talking about strippers, like most conflicts in a sc. i think the conflict here arises around the issue of unrealistic expectations. .

    I hear no mention of a normal heterosexual relationship, only a normal "friendship". Are romantically based emotions between the sexes banned in punkville? Outside the club is the real world, right? I think SBT may be saying that a normal romantic relationship and normal friendship should be financially equivolent. Idealistic, but I can see the potential importance of this goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    A gold-digger, to me, is a woman only interested in your money, and that wants to marry you to lay claim to it. She's looking for the richest acceptable guy she can land, with little or no concern for an emotional connection.

    A woman that is attempting to fleece you of money with charm and flattery, sounds more like a time-share salesman to me.

    A "meal-ticket" relationship perhaps is much more in line with what you all are describing. Someone that pretends to be your friend to get freebies and free meals, and lots of loans. You would be the meal ticket.
    Great Caesar's Ghost! you actually break down gold diggers into species?

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I hear no mention of a normal heterosexual relationship, only a normal "friendship". Are romantically based emotions between the sexes banned in punkville?
    no, but the subject never came up. SBT said they were friends and i took him at his word.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I think SBT may be saying that a normal romantic relationship and normal friendship should be financially equivolent.
    okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    Idealistic, but I can see the potential importance of this goal.
    possibly, to some degree, but not unrealistic or unreasonable. however, it's way beyond unrealistic or unreasonable to seek or expect either type of relationship in a sc.
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