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    Default Some Europeans taking a 'page' from AlQueda ...

    (you may have to copy and paste because of the commas)

    "From Russia With Hate
    Inspired by the example of al-Qaeda, Russian neo-Nazis say they are organizing themselves into a network of autonomous terror cells — and that the time of their jihad has come (snip)"



    "Al-Qaeda: a model for neo-Nazis?
    The string of terror attacks around the world orchestrated by al-Qaeda has raised fears among German police that the nation's neo-Nazi movement might trying to learn from the tactics used by Osama bin Laden's network of loosely connected cells. Ernest Gill asks: are neo-Nazis adopting a new strategy of violence? (snip)"



    While it may not get much air time in US media, for a fact many European countries are starting to develop a significant presence of "Nationalist" political parties/organizations. This includes of course Jean LePen in France (who got 17% of the vote in the presidential election), right wing parties in Germany, Holland, Belgium etc.

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    "The local elections of May 2002 saw the best ever vote for the neo-Nazi British National Party.

    As well as winning three council seats in Burnley they came close to winning over ten more: in Burnley, Oldham, Stoke and other parts of the country.

    At the same time, figures released by the police showed a 10% rise in racist attacks in the last year, including an increase of 13% in the number of racist assaults and woundings reported to the police.
    Far-right gains across Europe . . .

    Votes for far-right parties have increased in France, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and other countries across Europe.

    The neo-Nazi Vlaams Blok (Flemish Bloc) in Belgium won 9.9% of the vote in national elections in 1999 and became the largest political force on Anwerp Council in 2000.

    Far-right parties have been in government coalitions in Austria since February 2000 and Italy since 2001. In April 2002 the Front National got through to the second round of the French presidential election with 17% of the vote - their highest ever - in the first round of elections."



    From what I can find, it appears that they all share a common thread of "europe for europeans", and are all strongly against immigration ... of Muslims in particular. While the use of terrorism/violence by an extreme faction to advance a political/economic cause has been highly successful for Islamic Extremists, it would now appear that the "opposition" has begun to adopt the same successful tactics.

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    Default Re: Some Europeans taking a 'page' from AlQueda ...

    It figures. If their parties become too powerful - they are disorganized by the leaders in power.

    The will of the people is becoming known. The open borders policies of the countries have been backfiring in terms of wages, resource availability, crime statistics, change in culture... and a whole lot of other things.

    People like change - but I think it might be reaching the point where they don't like THAT MUCH change.

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    Default Re: Some Europeans taking a 'page' from AlQueda ...

    People like change - but I think it might be reaching the point where they don't like THAT MUCH change.
    That point probably goes to the heart of the matter - and also probably explains the Red State majority vote here in the USA. However, we've had 150 years of experience with immigration, while the western europeans have really only been hit with a tidal wave of immigration over the past 15 years. Western europeans also have the advantage of looking to the USA to see what can happen when recent immigrant groups refuse to 'blend' their culture (as opposed to the 'Melting Pot' of previous immigrant groups) plus achieve a significant presence (or even a voting majority) in particular areas.

    When this happens, it either forces the 'general population' to begin to change their own culture to accomodate the culture of the non-blending immigrant group, or it leaves the non-blending immigrant group as an 'island' of unhappy campers (with unhappy neighbors). Compared to Americans, western europeans are much LESS likely to allow their own culture to be changed (even if we won't officially concede that fact i.e. the entire illegal alien thing - living here and working here for years yet not officially recognized as being here at all), therefore western europe is much MORE likely to develop serious clashes with the non-blending immigrant group.

    The rise of western european 'nationalists' would appear to be an official declaration that they do not want non-blending immigrants in their country/society, that they are prepared to deport non-blending immigrants as soon as they can find the political support to do so, and that they are (tacitly at least) supporting low profile violence against non-blending immigrants as a means of intimidation/coersion to convince existing immigrants to leave but more importantly convince more immigrants to 'stay home' or at least try elsewhere.
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    Default Re: Some Europeans taking a 'page' from AlQueda ...

    Europeans have been denying the immigrant wolves at their door for twenty years. France is suffering this problem particularly badly.

    Samuel L. Huntington lays much of this out in A Clash of Civilizations.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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