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    Last night I was hanging out with some friends and a few people I'd met at the bar. We were all yammering about stuff and I told this amusing little story about my son's confusion when I explained the difference between a black person who is African-American, and a black person who is actually African, such as this particular friend of mine (who was present.)

    This woman became "offended" at this point....despite the fact that my African friend said "Uh....he's right." She said, "It doesn't matter...I don't appreciate that language."

    I have to say...I found this highly amusing. It beats racism...but is an issue in itself.
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    Hah. I was called a Wop today. I haven't been called that in a while.

    I was talking italian to my friend.....Some dude passed by us and said, " I wish these wops would go back to their own country".....

    I haven't been called a wop in a long time. I felt warm in side, quite squishy even!


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    I can feel your pain on that one Mojo. I go to an historically black college (I'm a white white girl). I have to sit in class and bite my tongue when they get on the slavery kick (which is more often than you would think). I'm am not racist at all, and for that I catch more flack for some reason. I guess it's easier to be mad at and hate someone who hates you back. My team is 99% white, and we catch hell for it. We get called snow bunnies, snow angels, grand wizards, and some other nasty names. I've been called a white she-devil while I was walking down the sidewalk. I love black people. If I was at all uncomfortable, I wouldn't go to school here. My only black teammate doesn't care if you call her black or not. If we don't demand to be called "European-Americans", why should they demand to be called "African-Americans", especially when most have never even been to Africa. Her words.
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    WTF is a WOP?
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    It's an offensive word for an italian.....Such as Dago, Greaseball, etc. I've never been offended by it but ah well. Can't win em all.


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    Yeah, ya friggin' wop. Go back to your own country!

    ....wait...then I'd have to go to Albania. Nevermind!
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    I would have been more offended if he called me a 'mop'....Is that weird?


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    It's only as weird as you are.

    "Just like a wop. Bringin' a knife to a gun fight." - Sean Connery in the Untouchables
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
    -Humphrey Bogart

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    -Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
    "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
    -His reply

    "If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs."
    -David Daye

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    Here's a question: If one is an equal mix of nationalities from different continents, where would they go back to??
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    I'm Irish and Indian. I'd either head to Ireland, or just stay put. Wouldn't mind either.
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    I had this discussion with my cabbie on my trip back to the UK (long cab ride, Manchester to Leeds): Why is America the only place that does the hyphenation thing? I don't hear British people of Indian descent referring to themselves as "British-Indian" or "Indian-British"...it's one or the other. Dark-skinned French people don't call themselves "African-French" or "Black French"...they're just French.

    I first ran into this when I moved to the UK, and I was filling out the landing card for Immigration. The block says "Nationality". My whole life I had people pigeonhole me as "Asian-American" or "Filipino-American" because I am ethnically Filipino, but was born and raised in the USA and have never been to the Philippines. So when I filled out the landing card, I wrote "American" because that's my nationality, and honestly it's how I identify myself because of my upbringing.

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    DSU, what exactly is the "slavery kick?" Would you get "annoyed" at a group of jews in a temple "Bitching about the damn holocaust, why the hell are those k-kes so damn sensitive about being roasted in ovens? Why do they need a damn anniversery day to mark the freggin 60th anniversery of the Auschwitz liberation? http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...1704-2144r.htm Why the hell don't they get over it and stop being so damn sensitive? That was over 60 years ago! Let's just forget about the whole thing and act like it never happened."

    I went to a mostly Jewish school in which the holocaust was constantly talked about over and over again, but if I would say "damn, I wish these Jews would stop 'complaining' about the holocaust" you would see how fast I would be called antisemitic.

    BTW, practically all "African Americans" are tri-racial. There is practically not a black person in this country that does not have a white or native american ancestor. I guess those ancestors don't count though.

    Then again, race itself doesn't exist. http://www.pbs.org/race/001_WhatIsRace/001_00-home.htm But that's a whole other topic... (try sorting the people, I had a real hard time with that.)

    As for the whole nationality thing, it would be nice if we could just put "American" down on applications. The sad part is people of differenent races were discriminated against hence it was only until Affirmitive action that you had to identify you "race" on an application. If the racists people wouldn't have been racist, then it would have never been a problem. So blame them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Oceans
    Why is America the only place that does the hyphenation thing? I don't hear British people of Indian descent referring to themselves as "British-Indian" or "Indian-British"...it's one or the other. Dark-skinned French people don't call themselves "African-French" or "Black French"...they're just French.
    Probably because America has (historically) made a big deal about being immigrant-friendly (without looking at your current immigration policy which, I hear, is now kind of restrictive). Isn't that what the whole, "...tired, poor and huddled masses" thing is about? That, combined with your relative youth as a nation, means that people tend to be pigeonholed into their country of origin (or rather, the country from which their ancestors came) as it was only 'recently' that they were African, Italian, or whatever.

    It is still a uniquely American thing though. Australia hasn't even hit 250 years old yet, and we don't do it. Mind you, a good chunk of the (initial) settlement of Australia was involuntary... Now I'm trying to get my head around 'Native Australian', 'German-Australian', 'Greek-Australian'...

    I find this particularly puzzling when you add in the fact that Americans are indoctrinated with a huge (and overt) sense of national pride as well. Yet you still maintain these outside ethnic identities...

    (If anyone takes umbrage to the term "indoctrinated", I'm just calling it like I see it. Or if you rather, how America presents from an external viewpoint.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chani_Fremen
    As for the whole nationality thing, it would be nice if we could just put "American" down on applications. The sad part is people of differenent races were discriminated against hence it was only until Affirmitive action that you had to identify you "race" on an application. If the racists people wouldn't have been racist, then it would have never been a problem. So blame them.
    However, doesn't the deliberate and continual harping on somebody's ethnic stock just serve to emphasise the difference between you? It immediately pigeonholes somebody into a subcategory, thereby creating an automatic (if not necessarily concious) rift between that person and others who are not part of that subcategory. This, in turn, makes bigotry and racism easier, not harder.

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    I agree kymchoon. Hence I would like to see the whole "race" thing just whipped away. Especially since race doesn't really exist.

    Sadly, at that time in the history of the USA, I don't know if there was a better way to combat institutional racism.
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    You all (that's Yankee for Y'all) know these race threads never end well no matter how sensitive and inocuous posters try to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverback
    You all (that's Yankee for Y'all) know these race threads never end well no matter how sensitive and inocuous posters try to be.
    Why don't you just shut up, you damn Yankee! You sound like a commie to me! And you're probably one of those bloody...uh...Albanians! Yeah! We're all completely sensitive, and if you want to say otherwise, I might just take down you and all of your little, pinko buddies!

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    I couldn't resist...

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    I have a question for the Caucasian members of this board.

    DSU, you complain about why do "African Americans" insist on being called that but why do you label yourself as "Irish"?

    I have been over to Ireland. Most actual Irish people do not consider "Irish-Americans" to be Irish at all. Most "true" Irish people snub their noses at American Irish. Consider the ancestors of Yankee Irish Americans to be traitors who bailed out during the potato famine. They view Irish americans as they do all other americans, fat and stupid. This is true through out Europe. Most "German Americans" are not considered the least bit German by most Germans. Most Italians do not consider "Italian Americans" to be Italian. So why do Americans still celebrate crap like St. Patrick's day even though that isn't even a holiday in Ireland. (It is only celebrated in Dublin to get money from gullible American tourists.) Yet I still see Irish American clubs everywhere. I also see river dancing everywhere. I see so called "German Americans" wearing little blue and white outfits. I see "Scottish Americans" wearing kilts. I also see "Polish Americans" playing accordians and doing the Polka. So why don't white Americans drop THEIR whole ethnicity thing?? Why do White Americans feel the need to make a big deal about their ethnicity when they no longer speak the language and very rarely have any of the native culturual practices, just a bunch of stereotypical things they imagine people in that culture to do. Yet you complain about black Americans being called "African American" (even though from my experience, most black americans don't care if they are called African American or black so I don't really see what you guys are b-tching about.) Just curious.
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    Well, Silverback...it's been a while since I've instigated any good controversies :-P

    ahhhhhhhh........like an addict getting a shot of heroin.
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    BTW, I am technically a "black" person, and I have never in my life heard of black people "b-tching about slavery." I hear black people complain about what rightly happens to them in this day in age. But I haver never ever ever heard a black person "b-tch about slavery."
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    Oh well, I guess it is easy for us as a bunch of stupid fat lazy Americans to feel that "Those people" should just get over all this crap.

    **Note** I removed the pictures because they were a little too graphic, and may be offensive to some. So far this thread's been okay. Healthy debating is fine, but let's try not to let this get ugly.
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    Mojo, how would you like to see your son in a casket like 14 year old Emmett Till? Shouldn't you just GET OVER IT.

    I am sure that everyone involved in these murders and the people's families that were affected are all dead even though Emmett Till was killed only in 1955. My parents were 6 and 4 years old at the time.

    I am sure the little kids that you see in the pictures are very much alive . My mother vividly remembers a cousin of her's being lynched. When I was 10 years old I was in a mostly white neighborhood and my parents let me out to go to this store to get something to drink and some candy. I was nearly beat to death by a group of 4-5 grown white men who didn't want the little "n-gger girl" to infect their town. Another whole group of white people saw the whole thing and didn't do anything about it. I am now 19 years old so this wasn't happening in the 1950s or even the 1850s. A lot of whites feel like racism is a thing of the past, and for you to act like it happened a million years ago and the fact that you don't denounce these heinous acts and just rolls your eyes at them disgusts me.
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    Fear is the mind-killer.
    Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
    ~*~ Only I will remain. ~*~

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    I'd just like to point out that no one has said anything at all about "bitching about slavery". Could we perhaps get a bit of clarification before we start a war on the thread?
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