Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 26 to 43 of 43

Thread: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

  1. #26
    God/dess scarlett_vancouver's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Posts
    6,699
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 22 Times in 20 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Up here every dancer pays $1.50-$2.00 each time she's on stage to cover the club's SOCAN (same as ASCAP) fees. It's brutal in every way- not only should the dancers not have to pay it, but the clubs collect WAY more than their actual fees.

    But yeah, it was big up here a year or so ago that Dentists had to start paying public broadcast fees if they had music playing in their offices etc.

    Stupid.

    Feature costumes for sale!

  2. #27
    God/dess MojoJojo's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Monkey Land
    Posts
    4,794
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Musicians are all in it for the music? Don't you all realize that? It's not the money.


    .....oh wait....
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
    -Humphrey Bogart

    "Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink."
    -Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
    "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."
    -His reply

    "If God had intended us to drink beer, He would have given us stomachs."
    -David Daye

  3. #28
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    735
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    they cease to be musicians and artists then

    theyre entertainers


    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/pr...opeepmusic.htm

    STEAL MY MUSIC PLEASE!

    SOMEONE USE MY SONGS TO STRIP TO!

    I DO IT ALL THE TIME

    *BLUSH*
    HAHA

  4. #29
    Member
    Joined
    May 2005
    Posts
    60
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    ok I do agree somewhat with the artist perspective because I'm a visual artist and yeah I charge people to hang my paintings on their wall how the hell do you expect me to eat my food pay my rent and any other bills. They are making money off what they do best and so are you, are you going to dance on stage for the masses to enjoy and you NOT MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF IT doubt it I know of dancers that get pissed off when a guy sits at the sniffer rail and DOESNT TIP I hear about it all night. It's the same concept with musicains now I do admit they make a hell of a lot more money than we do, but to do their job they pay a hell of a lot more money than the average person does. So before judgeing a musicain for wanting to reep the benifits of his hard work think about all entertainers.

  5. #30
    Featured Member screaminpeachez's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Illinois/Iowa
    Posts
    817
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    I understand that musicians got to make a living just like all of us.
    What I don't understand is why they have to make millions.

    Our school teachers are living in poverty!
    What's wrong with this picture?

    Also the people that are really stealing their money is their agents, managers, lawyers etc.
    Not a kid who's downloading a couple of their tunes to jam out
    nor the stripper that is shaking her ass to it.

    Besides what if she paid for the album?
    She contributed money. Why isn't that considered payment?
    *shrug*
    "may your work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching, screw like your being filmed and drink like a true Irishman "--anonymous
    "GOD is LOVE, but get it in writing"- Gypsy Rose Lee

    http://www.myspace.com/screaminpeachez

  6. #31
    God/dess Deogol's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    5,493
    Thanks
    120
    Thanked 50 Times in 35 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by screaminpeachez
    I understand that musicians got to make a living just like all of us.
    What I don't understand is why they have to make millions.

    Our school teachers are living in poverty!
    What's wrong with this picture?

    Also the people that are really stealing their money is their agents, managers, lawyers etc.
    Not a kid who's downloading a couple of their tunes to jam out
    nor the stripper that is shaking her ass to it.

    Besides what if she paid for the album?
    She contributed money. Why isn't that considered payment?
    *shrug*
    Because America is in decline.

    Being a basketball player pays better than being an engineer.

    Being a stripper has better job security than being a software developer.

    The country is going broke, but all the politicians can focus on are two men kissing in their bedroom and death of a woman who's brain shrunk to half it's original size.

    Don't get me started.

    Strip to something found via

  7. #32
    God/dess Bridgette's Avatar
    Joined
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Gettin the fuck outta Dodge!
    Posts
    14,241
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Um, don't these morons know they make money from us playing their damn music??? Custies hear alot of music in the strip club first, find out what it is and go out and get it. This is just more whining and IMO the bitches need a smackdown. When are they gonna STOP with the petty lawsuits already???

    Quote Originally Posted by pheno View Post
    When you lead a nontraditional life don't try to measure it with traditional milestones.

  8. #33
    God/dess Deogol's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    5,493
    Thanks
    120
    Thanked 50 Times in 35 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Um, don't these morons know they make money from us playing their damn music??? Custies hear alot of music in the strip club first, find out what it is and go out and get it. This is just more whining and IMO the bitches need a smackdown. When are they gonna STOP with the petty lawsuits already???
    I have often thought strip clubs should sell CDs - or try selling them.

  9. #34
    Banned BigGreenMnM's Avatar
    Joined
    May 2004
    Location
    Virginia countryside.
    Posts
    3,299
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Sorry folks,ya just cant have it both ways here.

    The guy who made the music is an artist,they deserve to be paid for thier craft.

    You cant be against camera phones in the clubs and ascap at the same time.

    If an entertainer had her picture taken,they deserve to get paid every time someone uses it,for profit,or "non profit"(non profit always means someone is making money now,or using it to make money in the future IMO)

    The clubs are fucked when it comes to this.
    Way to much money has been lost because of music downloads,where do you think they will start to recoup thier money???

    LOL

    I double dog,freekin double care bear dare clubs(specially the big ones or the up and comming chains)to not get on the side of ascap.

    Wait till they start comming after the "Under the table"DJ's out there.

    LOL

    They walk in the club,find ONE burned internet download,guess what,your fucked proper.
    They find a burned cd,you better have the real one at home to back it up.

    Cant wait till they walk in to a club,fine a dj 20,000 dollars,confiscate his cd collection,then fine the club for letting him use the illegal,unpaid for music.

    Girls???Got that burned cd in your dance bag???

    Guess what??
    Yea,fucked proper.

    It might be awhile before its as bad as I say its going to be,but trust me,its commin.

    This isnt the last story,by far,that we will hear.

    Wonder if we will know the next club or dj that gets the shaft?

  10. #35
    Banned BigGreenMnM's Avatar
    Joined
    May 2004
    Location
    Virginia countryside.
    Posts
    3,299
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    BTW

    These guys dont lose.

    Check the history,look it up yourself.

    If they walk into your building,and they say pay this amount,pay it.

    Or you can fight it,make silly headlines like this,lose in the end,and now have to pay freekin lawyers on top of it all.

    They always win,because they are in the right IMO,the artist,ANY artist, should be paid for the work they do,today and tomorrow, if a record is kept,photo,drawing,or recording.

  11. #36
    Moderator yoda57us's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2002
    Location
    at the Y
    Posts
    10,035
    Thanks
    2,878
    Thanked 5,834 Times in 2,332 Posts
    My Mood
    Goofy

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Would any of you ladies dance for free? Weather you realize it or not, performance rights organizations like ASCAP and BMI exist to protect the rights of songwriters everywhere. So that they don't work for free. Performance rights are a legitimate part of any artists or songwriter's income. Greed exists in every industry and obviously the entertainment industry is no different. However the royalties paid to songwriters and performers don't end with record sales. Any venue that plays recorded music is obligated to pay fees, just as radio stations do. Movie and television producers pay rights fees to use music in their films. This is not a new concept, just one that many clubs (strip or otherwise) try to dodge. Actualy, most of the clubs I go to in the Boston area have paid these fees for years. It really isn't all that much money compared to the revenue that the average club owner rakes in as his girls bump and grind to "Girls, Girls, Girls".

    How would you like it if your club put a webcam on stage or in the dressing room or VIP room, sold internet subscriptions so that guys could watch you without coming into the club and tipping you, but paid you no extra money for it, in fact, didn't even ask your permission? Lets say when you complain to the manager he says "well, you are already naked, you get your stage tips, why should I pay you anymore just because 3 million cyberpervs are at home sapnking their monkeys without tipping you" Sorry folks but it's no different.

    This is not a "what will the greedy bastards think of next issue" This is the way it's supposed to be according to US copyright law. Those of you who have no use for the greedy music industry should try dancing a few sets with the soundsystem turned off some night. I guarantee you wouldn't like it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    yoda, I want you so bad it aches in the swimsuit area.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Sophia_Starina is a sensible stripper...Naked all the way.....
    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Double team! 2 latinas with big tits!!

  12. #37
    Veteran Member stant's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    613
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Um, don't these morons know they make money from us playing their damn music??? Custies hear alot of music in the strip club first, find out what it is and go out and get it. This is just more whining and IMO the bitches need a smackdown. When are they gonna STOP with the petty lawsuits already???
    I can't see Deogs original link to read it again, but this sort of lawsuit against an individual club is extremely rare. I don't think an actual lawsuit was filed in this case, just threatened, so the club would pay their BMI/ASCAP fees. The RIAA or BMI then sends out a press release about it to remind other clubs to pay their fees as well. The BMI fees are VERY low, partly for exactly the reason you say, that the benefit to the club is offset partly by the exposure for the artist, similar to radio airplay. I thought there was an exemption for small clubs, but I'm not sure. [edit: I just checked the fee schedule for BMI and for a bar with dancing, the fee for recorded music is 2.25 per "occupant" per year + 1.50 for dancing. For a club with an occupancy of 100 people, that's $375 for a YEAR. Hardly seems onerous. ]

    The music industry is facing huge problems besides mp3 downloading and other piracy. A potentially much larger one is the slow death of record stores in favor of Walmart as the primary retail outlet, and the consolidation of radio stations into giant networks with a uniform playlist. People only hear a few artists on these shitty radio stations and have a likewise tiny selection at their local Walmart where they buy CD's. The combined effect of these issues being a major reduction in the number of artists that are being signed by record labels. The future of this industry is not bright.
    Last edited by stant; 06-19-2005 at 07:24 PM.

  13. #38
    Banned BigGreenMnM's Avatar
    Joined
    May 2004
    Location
    Virginia countryside.
    Posts
    3,299
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I can't see Deogs original link to read it again, but this sort of lawsuit against an individual club is extremely rare. I don't think an actual lawsuit was filed in this case, just threatened, so the club would pay their BMI/ASCAP fees. The RIAA or BMI then sends out a press release about it to remind other clubs to pay their fees as well. The BMI fees are VERY low, partly for exactly the reason you say, that the benefit to the club is offset partly by the exposure for the artist, similar to radio airplay. I thought there was an exemption for small clubs, but I'm not sure. [edit: I just checked the fee schedule for BMI and for a bar with dancing, the fee for recorded music is 2.25 per "occupant" per year + 1.50 for dancing. For a club with an occupancy of 100 people, that's $375 for a YEAR. Hardly seems onerous. ]
    Shit,i hate to disagree with ya stant,cause you always know what your talking about,and i dont want to look foolish disagreeing with you,but,

    I have NEVER seen BMI or ascap come into a club and ask for hundreds,its always THOUSANDS.
    So either your reading the fine print wrong,or someone is getting a huge kickback,I dunno??

    The music industry is facing huge problems besides mp3 downloading and other piracy. A potentially much larger one is the slow death of record stores in favor of Walmart as the primary retail outlet, and the consolidation of radio stations into giant networks with a uniform playlist. People only hear a few artists on these shitty radio stations and have a likewise tiny selection at their local Walmart where they buy CD's. The combined effect of these issues being a major reduction in the number of artists that are being signed by record labels. The future of this industry is not bright.
    Again,i dunno.
    Seems like all someone has to do in the record industry is figure out how to make more money off internet dloads then they did at Sam Goodeys,tower records,or mom and pop(soon to be gone imo)record stores for the same music.

    Does anyone see a major band like U2 releasing thier next record on internet dload only,for only 25 cents per dload????
    Its going to be like movie releases,directly to home video.

  14. #39
    God/dess onlythebest's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Hurricane Wasteland,Louisiana
    Posts
    8,088
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 23 Times in 19 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Slightly off topic and I am too lazy to read all the replies to see if this was already adressed.Can you play music you download and burned onto CD's at clubs???Someone told that there are electronic signals that are embedded into any CD's that are burned from the net and that if you are caught using burned CD's in any pubic establishment,you can be charged with copyright infringement.Can anyone confirm this???
    One of woman's cardinal rule: Body parts can be fake,everything else has to be real.

    一个女人的枢机规则:肢体可以伪造,一切必须真实.

    中国大CHINESE BIG BOOBS!!!中国大




  15. #40
    Banned BigGreenMnM's Avatar
    Joined
    May 2004
    Location
    Virginia countryside.
    Posts
    3,299
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    Slightly off topic and I am too lazy to read all the replies to see if this was already adressed.Can you play music you download and burned onto CD's at clubs???Someone told that there are electronic signals that are embedded into any CD's that are burned from the net and that if you are caught using burned CD's in any pubic establishment,you can be charged with copyright infringement.Can anyone confirm this???
    Ok im full of shit most times,but im pretty sure electronic signals in downloads are like the hair that grows on your palms when you "hitchhike to heaven".

    These people care about you playing the legal music,not just the stolen songs.

    They want a cut of the legal music,they want a cut of the illegal dloaded music.
    Its just cheaper for us,and anyone we work with or for,to only have the legal music on hand when they show up.

  16. #41
    Veteran Member stant's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    613
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I have NEVER seen BMI or ascap come into a club and ask for hundreds,its always THOUSANDS.
    So either your reading the fine print wrong,or someone is getting a huge kickback,I dunno??
    My example was for a pretty small club. (100 maximum occupancy) And I forgot the cover charge fee. Plus this is BMI only. The rates are based on the fire marshall rating for the club multiplied by a number of fees depending on what sort of club it is. Since this is your biz, you might be interested in checking out the fee schedule:
    http://www.bmi.com/licensing/forms/ede.pdf
    For a club with max occupancy of 500, the fees would be 2.25 + 1.50 + 1.50 x 500 = 2625.00
    Again,i dunno.
    Seems like all someone has to do in the record industry is figure out how to make more money off internet dloads then they did at Sam Goodeys,tower records,or mom and pop(soon to be gone imo)record stores for the same music.

    Does anyone see a major band like U2 releasing thier next record on internet dload only,for only 25 cents per dload????
    Its going to be like movie releases,directly to home video.
    Another problem the music industry has been having is that they were making tons of money for YEARS off of CD sales to people replacing their vinyls with CD's, but now those sales have dried up. They got very lazy off all that extra cash and simply aren't aggressively developing new artists like they did in the seventies. Also, there has been a huge shift in spending from CD's to DVD's, out of a relatively consistant amount of consumer spending on home entertainment. I doubt they will drop prices as low as 25c a song for U2, but no doubt many new artists will start doing this as the only means to get exposure.

    Someone told that there are electronic signals that are embedded into any CD's that are burned from the net and that if you are caught using burned CD's in any pubic establishment,you can be charged with copyright infringement
    The signal story is BS, and no it's not criminal infringement. You could be sued, but that would be very lame. This is assuming the BMI/ASCAP fees are paid, copying the illegally downloaded songs onto a CD is still a copyright infringement. Instead, the recording industry has focussed on busting major download servers, and has started flooding the various gnutella networks with "decoy" songs that are actually blank. A clever move on their part. It may actually work.

    The only case I've heard of where the industry went for a criminal bust was this guy who uploaded an unfinished pre-release version of The Incredible Hulk he stole from a studio and after it spread like a wildfire across the web, it was universally given a BAD review by all the illegal downloaders. Word spread and when the movie was released, it bombed on opening weekend. The studio blamed this guy for the loss of millions, tracked his ass down and had him thrown in jail.
    Last edited by stant; 06-19-2005 at 09:45 PM.

  17. #42
    Moderator yoda57us's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2002
    Location
    at the Y
    Posts
    10,035
    Thanks
    2,878
    Thanked 5,834 Times in 2,332 Posts
    My Mood
    Goofy

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by onlythebest
    Slightly off topic and I am too lazy to read all the replies to see if this was already adressed.Can you play music you download and burned onto CD's at clubs???Someone told that there are electronic signals that are embedded into any CD's that are burned from the net and that if you are caught using burned CD's in any pubic establishment,you can be charged with copyright infringement.Can anyone confirm this???
    If the music was a legal download (paid for) then you are not guilty of any crime by burning it onto a CD for your personal enjoyment. The issue here is when a club plays the music for financial gain and doesn't pay it's fair share to the performance rights organzations. If, on the other hand it was an illegal download (though I've never heard of any electronic signals) you are guilty of copyright infringement weather you play the CD at work or in your car on the way to work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    yoda, I want you so bad it aches in the swimsuit area.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Sophia_Starina is a sensible stripper...Naked all the way.....
    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Double team! 2 latinas with big tits!!

  18. #43
    Veteran Member stant's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    613
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Re: Clubs sued for playing music without artist permission

    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us
    If the music was a legal download (paid for) then you are not guilty of any crime by burning it onto a CD for your personal enjoyment. The issue here is when a club plays the music for financial gain and doesn't pay it's fair share to the performance rights organzations. If, on the other hand it was an illegal download (though I've never heard of any electronic signals) you are guilty of copyright infringement weather you play the CD at work or in your car on the way to work.
    Yoda knows copyright. He's my new ATF.

    The reason the illegal downloads cannot possibly contain "secret" signals (aside from the ID prefix, which is never communicated as sound), is that the mp3 format (in part) uses a compression scheme based on the human ear's range. It you can't hear it, mp3 doesn't encode it. mp3 also uses another compression method that skips "masked" sounds as well. The original German developers never intended it to be a copy resistant format, and the music industry is forever struggling to get rid of (what they see as) this beastly format.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. Not Playing Music
    By IsobelWren in forum Camming Connection
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 01-16-2012, 07:08 PM
  2. Playing Music in Shows
    By luxi_kitty in forum Camming Connection
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 06-21-2011, 11:57 PM
  3. Playing music in your videos?
    By Smurfette in forum Other Work
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-19-2011, 05:05 PM
  4. Tipping the DJ for playing music you brought in
    By snow white in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-31-2008, 03:37 AM
  5. Sued for downloading music...
    By LuckiCharm in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 52
    Last Post: 06-30-2007, 10:14 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •