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    I think I might have just stumbled upon the stupidest thing I have ever read or heard of in my life..check it out.





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    Default Re: Completely Absurd

    I don't think that the government has any right to invade a very private painful moment in someone's life. I can understand if the girl were 4 months or more.

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    One needs time to adjust to the situation first, I mean who want to go to a total stranger and tell them something so private? Total invasion of privacy, Completely Absurd!

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    I know I wouldnt want to run off and tell the police I had a miscarriage. First and foremost, I would go to the hospital, and then if the hospital needed to notify the police (Cmon, the POLICE. They are NOT doctors, and have no business in knowing if a woman has a miscarriage or not) they could do so. I think that some people need to spend more time thinking of appropriate laws instead of wasting their brain power coming up with stuff like this.

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    This is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of. The LAST thing on Earth a woman would want to do after she lost her unborn child is go to the police station and file a report. How idiotic is this person? Why is he trying to pass this anyway? To try and prosecute the woman for having a miscarriage, thinking that she somehow caused it? Why else would they need that detailed personal information?

    When I lost my baby 3 years ago, I was pretty much in bed for a week, emotionally and physically exhausted. The last thing in the world I would do is go and tell the police all about it.

    Again.. Ridiculous.

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    Makes me wonder what the laws are coming to, and who the hell is accepting them. Apparently it isnt a woman.

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    I'm trying to think up reasons for this law. I suppose it is to pave the way towards mandatory prenatal visits - though I understand prenatal care is important, I have large issues with the government fining you or something for not going in for them. Especially as VA has a large underground midwife population, maybe it is to keep tabs on that better? If someone fails to report a miscarriage and thereby the attending midwife, more trouble?
    Maybe if a woman is on several different substances and loses several babies they want to be aware so they can counsel her on sterilization?? I don't know, honestly, it is a ridiculous law. I'd hope that if a woman does have a miscarriage she at least checks in with a hospital - maybe the law is more aimed at hospitals to report them?
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    just another way for the government to make more money.
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    From the original blog entry:
    I am delighted to report that Delegate Cosgrove has contacted me directly about HB1677. Delegate Cosgrove has been inundated with calls and emails today in response to the viral spread of this story via the internet, and he is doing his best to respond to them.

    He has asked me to share his email with you here, and I do so with thanks to him for his time and thought in composing it (emphasis mine):


    Dear Maura: I am Delegate Cosgrove and I wish to respond to your website and the allegations that have been made by those who have emailed and called my office. The intent of House Bill 1677 is to require the notification of authorities of a delivery of a baby that is dead and the mother has not been attended by a medical professional. This bill was requested by the Chesapeake Police Department in its legislative package due to instances of full term babies who were abandoned shortly after birth. These poor children died horrible deaths. If a coroner could not determine if the child was born alive, the person responsible for abandoning the child could only be charged with is the improper disposal of a human body.


    The requirement for the twelve hour notification timeframe comes from the method that a coroner would use to determine if the child had been born alive or dead. After twelve hours, it becomes next to impossible to determine if the child was alive due to decomposition gasses that build up in the body.

    My bill in no way intends that a woman who suffers a miscarriage should be charged for not notifying authorities. The bill in no way mentions miscarriages, only deliveries. However, after discussing the bill again with our legislative services lawyers, I have decided to include language that will define the bill to apply only to those babies that are claimed to have been stillborn and that are abandoned as stated above.

    I would never inflict the type of emotional torture on a woman who has suffered such a traumatic event as a miscarriage by making her notify authorities of her loss. I would also never impose criminal sanctions on a woman who has gone through this loss. And I am confident that the General Assembly of Virginia would also not pass such a terrible imposition on a woman. My mother experienced several miscarriages and I have other friends who have been devastated by losing their children through miscarriages.

    On a final note, your website advocates the use of emailing comments to my office. As for the emails that I have received, I have answered a few and will forward a similar explanation to those who sent them. I always seek to receive emails that express a point of view either in support or in opposition to an issue. The majority of emails I have received from this site, however, have been extremely abusive, condescending, and mean-spirited. That is never the way to communicate with another person and I hope that civil discourse would be your desire as well.

    I hope that you will post this explanation on your website and understand the original intent of this bill. If you feel the need to discuss this matter more fully, please do not hesitate to call. Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter.

    Sincerely,

    John A. Cosgrove

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    Chalk it up to a lesson learned, Delegate Cosgrove. It's the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning.
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    Yeah, and if we believed that the vague wording of the bills was actually unintentional, then... okay I don't know. But I don't believe it. I would guess it is to bolster the premise of the-fetus/zygote/fertilizedegg/almostfertilizedegg-as-a-person-with-rights that is growing so popular in some states. I would be interested in how many abandoned new borns there have been in Cheasapeak Bay.
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    Boy is this one screaming for entry into political poo,but since its not,WTF....

    I would vote for the bill,why not???
    I have seen no response yet as to why when someone dies,the proper people are not notified.
    Once a life is started,why shouldnt the mother report it???It would be the same thing if a newborn or 4 year old died.Someone should know,in this case,just for the health of the mother herself.
    looks like alot of people jumped to the wrong conclusions,im glad he cleared it up.

    I hope he pushes it into law,i would vote for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yeah, and if we believed that the vague wording of the bills was actually unintentional, then... okay I don't know. But I don't believe it. I would guess it is to bolster the premise of the-fetus/zygote/fertilizedegg/almostfertilizedegg-as-a-person-with-rights that is growing so popular in some states. I would be interested in how many abandoned new borns there have been in Cheasapeak Bay.
    So would you call this anti abortion back door bullshit??

    Im not sure how many babies have died,how many should it take??

    My impression was that this bill is intended for the protection of delivered babies,left to die.

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    It still doesnt make any sense to me. If a mother is going to be that harsh and abandon a newborn baby alive, and the poor thing ends up dying, they are going to take it to the coroners anyway and do tests on it. Would they still be able to find the mother through the bloodwork? If so, good for them. They really need to reword what they are trying to do, because it sounded to me like if you were in the extremely early stages of pregnancy and had a miscarriage, and you knew you had one, you must report it to the authorities. I would go straight to the hospital and let them deal with telling the proper authorities. Of course if a woman is having a miscarriage, she is going to go straight to the doctor anyway in hopes of saving her baby. I donno, I think this law is a little ridiculous, they should reword what they are doing.

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    I'm sure the cops have a little more going on than taking reports on miscarriages. Hey, go catch some bad guys, leave my uterus and private life alone.

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    OKay, jumped the gun a little. Just read the statement.

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    Goto the docter maybe..... police? WTF? what are they gunna do? they cant do anything to help the situation.. i think its the dumbest thing i have ever heard

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