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    Default Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    So, what do you think ? Will our government ever step in and help stop the endless bloodshed in Sudan ?
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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    No he won't. He'll do the same thing he did with Liberia- talk a big game and do little to nothing .

    Sudan does not have enough of what he wants for him to bother doing much. Itisn't compassion that drives that man it is greed and nothing more than greed.

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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    I hope we'll stay out.

    We have no compelling national interest with the civil war in the Sudan. Tragic, sure. A national or security interest? Hardly.
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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    Not every fight is ours. Did you expect the same thing in Rwanda? Other countries,
    especially colonial powers like France and Britain have more of a responsibility in these African
    countries since they drew up a lot of the arbitrary borders. In this case, Egypt and the UK
    have more of a history there. The AU (African Union) has already had some peacekeepers
    there. The first civil war between north and south settled down only to see another civil war
    between eastern Sudan and western Sudan. Arab-islamic vs. Christian/black. The UN has already
    had conferences about this in which the US has participated. There are problems all
    over the African continent. Africans have got to work on these issues for themselves.
    The civil war in Ethiopia lasted for 50 years. (And there's still a UN Peace mission there.)
    What would you say if we got involved for that long?
    So it's nobel to go into wars where we have no interest but not where we do?
    That's pretty backwards.

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    Somalia was a wake up call for the US. I don't think we will ever make that mistake again.

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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    Also, the Sudanese, Rwandans etc. had extremely little if any involvement in the creation of that large crater in lower Manhattan ... if that little distinction still remains in liberal memory banks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    No he won't. He'll do the same thing he did with Liberia- talk a big game and do little to nothing .
    I dunno,whats his name is gone and the cival war is over.
    It wasnt our job to save this country,that was up to the slow moving UN.

    We did send troops.
    We also parked ships and response teams visable from the beach.

    What do you think we could have done??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Also, the Sudanese, Rwandans
    Just which side do we jump in on??

    Its a cluster fuck to this day with both sides being less then desireable to aligne ourselves with.
    Add to that the fact that north africa has become the largest growing moslim area in the world.
    Its also training central for extreamist that we are fighting now in iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    Add to that the fact that north africa has become the largest growing moslim area in the world.
    Its also training central for extreamist that we are fighting now in
    iraq.
    Bingo ! So that should be reason enough for an intervention by the US .
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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Also, the Sudanese, Rwandans etc. had extremely little if any involvement in the creation of that large crater in lower Manhattan ... if that little distinction still remains in liberal memory banks !
    We are not talking about 9/11 Mel, at least I'm not. This is about the people of Sudan. One of the reasons our government stated for invading Iraq
    was to protect the people from Sadam. So wouldn't the same thinking apply to the situation in Sudan ?
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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday
    Bingo ! So that should be reason enough for an intervention by the US .
    I think it will happen,just not in the near future.
    I thi8nk the middle eats and some points in the far east like Korea need to be addressed first.
    I also think that the funding comming from the middle east will soon dry up,that will start the change in the sudan.

    There is a great show on the discovery/time channel today and tonight i think about the cival war in liberia.
    I learned alot from it,but still didnt change my outlook on how we handled it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I think it will happen,just not in the near future.
    I thi8nk the middle eats and some points in the far east like Korea need to be addressed first.
    I also think that the funding comming from the middle east will soon dry up,that will start the change in the sudan.

    There is a great show on the discovery/time channel today and tonight i think about the cival war in liberia.
    I learned alot from it,but still didnt change my outlook on how we handled it.
    Well, the US will always have issues with the Middle East that need addressing. And Korea is a joke IMO. If terrorists are truly using the Sudan as a training ground for future terrorists, then isn't it in our best interest to step in now ?
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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    I think this decision will be made by the United Nations . I am fairly new at politics kind of surprised that this place would hook me into it so firmly but here I am .But as I read the threads here there seems to be a lot more take then give or sometimes just plain put downs of ones opinions . Just thinking out load here but why are so many people so counterproductive with there opinions if you think you have a solution to a particular situation lets hear it . This is what they expect me to do at my job everyday bring the problem to the table and you better have a few solutions as well ! Okay done venting thanks, okay ready for my verbal spanking

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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    I dunno,whats his name is gone and the cival war is over.
    It wasnt our job to save this country,that was up to the slow moving UN.

    We did send troops.
    We also parked ships and response teams visable from the beach.

    What do you think we could have done??
    His name is Charles Taylor.

    We could have done what was promised- that would have been a good start.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
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    There is a great show on the discovery/time channel today and tonight i think about the cival war in liberia.
    I learned alot from it,but still didnt change my outlook on how we handled it.
    Oh good , I'm glad you saw it- it was actually a repeat, I posted about it the first time it was to be shown hoping some here might check it out.

    One thing that was not covered much was that Taylor fed the child soldiers tons of drugs to control them as well as to help remove their consciences. You should check out the Rolling Stone article on Liberia from a few years back. It gives a better picture of that part of things.
    Also some time back I posted in length(w/ links) about Liberia and Taylor if your interested .

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Also, the Sudanese, Rwandans etc. had extremely little if any involvement in the creation of that large crater in lower Manhattan ... if that little distinction still remains in liberal memory banks !
    And Iraq also had NOTHING to do with 9/11 either. Somethong many of you who fell for the DDD tactics seem ( imo) too brainwashed to accept.
    Last edited by Tigerlilly; 01-30-2005 at 07:46 PM.

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    Default Re: Will Bush ever help the people of Sudan ?

    If a Republican President went into Sudan to try and help, they would be eviscerated by the Democrats for "invading" and "conquering" the Sudanese people and putting our soldier's lives at risk. If a Republican President stayed out and didn't try to help, they'd be eviscerated by the Democrats for being heartless and cruel for not going in to the Sudan.

    I think ideally we should lend our help, but realistically, right now, it will cause more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1
    If a Republican President went into Sudan to try and help, they would be eviscerated by the Democrats for "invading" and "conquering" the Sudanese people and putting our soldier's lives at risk. If a Republican President stayed out and didn't try to help, they'd be eviscerated by the Democrats for being heartless and cruel for not going in to the Sudan.

    I think ideally we should lend our help, but realistically, right now, it will cause more harm than good.
    Yah-huh! Lestat speaks the truth.

    Ain't that what the UN is for?

    Oh yea, the UN is for disbanding Executive Outcomes - but that is a whole nother thread.

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