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    I have yet to see a similar list of democrats. Even though many republicans say that they think there is.

    * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

    * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty for anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for attempted rape of an underage girl.

    * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a juvenile.

    * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.

    * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    * Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

    * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    * Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.

    * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.


    * Republican preacher Stephen White was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.


    * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.


    * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

    * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.


    * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).


    * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

    * Republican politician, Richard Gardner, admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

    * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

    * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

    * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

    Republican serial killer Ted Bundy campaigned
    for the Republican Party

    Republican voter Timothy McVeigh
    bombed Oklahoma City

    Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart
    preached fidelity, but cheated on
    his wife with a prostitute

    Dick Nixon organized a burglary while
    president and engaged in criminal activity to cover it up

    Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was about to vote for impeaching President Clinton for sexual improprieties until it was disclosed he was an adulterer

    Republican Congressman Henry Hyde denounced President Clinton's extramarital affair until his own marital infidelities were revealed

    Republican Senator Bob Packwood resigned
    from Congress after 29 women accused him of sexual harrassment

    Republican Congressman and anti-gay crusader Edward Schrock resigned from Congress after it was found that he is a gay man.

    Republican candidate and former Texas Republican Party chairman, Sam Walls, was urged to drop his candidacy when it was found he likes to dress up in women's clothing

    Republican activist and anti-gay crusader, Matthew Glavin, was caught masturbating in public and fondling an undercover park ranger


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    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667
    * Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
    I want to hear more about this, it sounds very interesting...

    Of course the democrats have JFK, who fucked everything that walked, but according to that excellent book about the sex lives of famous people, was a lousy lay--apparently the women didn't care, lol.

    A older friend of mine who used to guard Nixon said he got prostitutes all the time, but of course I can't prove it.

    I have always heard that the rate of child molestation is highest amongst Fundamentalists, and I would be interested to read more about this as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    I want to hear more about this, it sounds very interesting...
    Well, here you go! Complete with scans of the original newspapers:

    http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_...p/franklin.htm


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    When one has grown up with the stories of LBJ, Huey Long, Richard Daley, and the like, and has read about the antics of the over-testosteroned and under-behaved Kennedy family, and been treated to such things as Abscam and Interns In Charge Of Presidential Blowjobs, one doesn't tend to think in terms of political persuasion being harbingers of unacceptable activity. (By the way, that was sans research.) One tends to think of people as being jerks because of their character, or lack thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    ...One tends to think of people as being jerks because of their character, or lack thereof....
    I agree 100%.

    Although I remain a huge Clinton fan, he was also a bit of a pig, and he lied under oath. Irrelevant to his role as president? Maybe. But when I hear people on the left supporting his actions that humiliated his family, I cringe. Blaming Kenneth Starr doesn't make it untrue.

    I'm also a Nixon fan. He too did some clearly unethical acts that humilated his family and supporters. His bad deeds? Also a distraction from an otherwise strong record in a difficult time. Charisma? 0

    [Before you flame...remember that during Nixon's terms, the US image grew leaps and bounds worldwide (as during Clinton). Also, ironically, the Nixon era is often seen as more liberal than Clinton era.]

    In the end both men admitted they fucked up big time. I respect them for that, and consider this an act of character. Refusing to admit a tragic error or transgression, even in hindsight, is dangerous, cowardly, weak, and on occassion, despicable. Gee. Who could this be?


    Edit: The US has over a million men behind bars. Any idea what the distribution of party affliliation is? This is Ann Coulter style nonsense.

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    Wow. I just noticed this. What do these entries all have in common?


    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667


    * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.


    * Republican preacher Stephen White was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    * Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

    * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
    They are descriptions of INNOCENT people, spun as perverted criminals. Many other entries smell foul.

    Hello fellow liberals and progressives, stop doing this shit.

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    Yes in this country there is STILL the principle of innocence until proven guilty. While many "wild" accusations may result in headlines, political mileage for the accusers and political damage for the accused, and sometimes actually results in arrests, these 'wild' accusations don't result in convictions unless there is actual proof of wrongdoing !

    BTW the recent record holder is Democratic Rep. Traficant, here described by PBS (so liberals won't be able to try and impeach the source)



    (snip)"We have to do our job," Texas Democrat Gene Green told the chamber. "If we can't remove a member of Congress who has been convicted of 10 felony counts... we risk losing the faith and trust of the American people."

    The move makes Traficant only the fifth House member removed in the body's history and the second since the Civil War.(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Yes in this country there is STILL the principle of innocence until proven guilty.
    While I certianly agree with that I did laugh out loud reading that you wrote it-- I mean considering what you have said recently about people of middle eastern background. It would seem based on your posts that you feel that innocent until proven guilty applies only to some people - those with who you seem to feel have "acceptable" racial background. I have very serious resevations about you feeling that all people deserve the right to a fair trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    When one has grown up with the stories of LBJ, Huey Long, Richard Daley, and the like, and has read about the antics of the over-testosteroned and under-behaved Kennedy family, and been treated to such things as Abscam and Interns In Charge Of Presidential Blowjobs, one doesn't tend to think in terms of political persuasion being harbingers of unacceptable activity. (By the way, that was sans research.) One tends to think of people as being jerks because of their character, or lack thereof.
    You missed my point. It was not to ignore liberals indescretions. It was to pint out and slap conservatives in teh face with their hypocrisy of being "morally superior" and without fault. I believe power corrupts. Most people when given even minimal authority take it to extremes and run with it. To say that republicans have better morals is being a bit simple minded and naive... and yes, dishonest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stant
    I agree 100%.

    Although I remain a huge Clinton fan, he was also a bit of a pig, and he lied under oath.
    As did "christian" and moral compass George W Bush. DO some reaserch into him lying in a sworn affidavit in the Texas funeral directors case of 2000.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Yes in this country there is STILL the principle of innocence until proven guilty. While many "wild" accusations may result in headlines, political mileage for the accusers and political damage for the accused, and sometimes actually results in arrests, these 'wild' accusations don't result in convictions unless there is actual proof of wrongdoing !
    Yet the looney right has crazy conspiracy theories saying Clinton killed Vince Foster (despite 5 seperate investigations saying differently) and Condit killing Chandra Levy (despite after several questionings, police do not consider him a suspect). OUCH!!!! Yet more conservative hypocrisy exposed! ~~~SMACK~~~~


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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    (snip)"We have to do our job," Texas Democrat Gene Green told the chamber. [b
    "If we can't remove a member of Congress who has been convicted of 10 felony counts[/b]... we risk losing the faith and trust of the American people."
    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!! I almost forgot to respond to this. You represent conservative hypocrisy and double standards very well while you say those things and support Tom Delay. Your credibility is suspect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    While I certianly agree with that I did laugh out loud reading that you wrote it-- I mean considering what you have said recently about people of middle eastern background. It would seem based on your posts that you feel that innocent until proven guilty applies only to some people - those with who you seem to feel have "acceptable" racial background. I have very serious resevations about you feeling that all people deserve the right to a fair trial.
    Ignoring your deliberately inflammatory use of the proverbial "putting words in my mouth" technique, I certainly do feel that every US citizen should be treated as innocent until proven guilty. This has absolutely no logical connection to any remarks I made about an elevated element of 'suspicion' being justified toward young males of middle eastern descent ... and particularly toward those who have entered the US illegally ! Having an elevated level of suspicion does not equate with a presumption of guilt, just an (IMHO justified) element of caution and an efficient use of limited US investigative resources by directing them towards the historically most risky segments.

    There isn't any racial element here even though you are trying to imply one exists - or put another way I'll turn my position inside out and say I do not support elevated levels of 'suspicion' for long time US citizens of middle eastern descent (which could not be the case if a racial issue was involved).

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667
    You missed my point. It was not to ignore liberals indescretions. It was to pint out and slap conservatives in teh face with their hypocrisy of being "morally superior" and without fault.
    I got your point quite well. It was one-sided.

    There's plenty of liberals claiming to be morally superior.

    I don't believe either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate667
    Originally Posted by Melonie
    (snip)"We have to do our job," Texas Democrat Gene Green told the chamber. [b
    "If we can't remove a member of Congress who has been convicted of 10 felony counts[/b]... we risk losing the faith and trust of the American people."
    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!! I almost forgot to respond to this. You represent conservative hypocrisy and double standards very well while you say those things and support Tom Delay. Your credibility is suspect.
    I seem to have missed a major news story here.
    Exactly what felony was Tom Delay convicted of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly
    While I certianly agree with that I did laugh out loud reading that you wrote it-- I mean considering what you have said recently about people of middle eastern background. It would seem based on your posts that you feel that innocent until proven guilty applies only to some people - those with who you seem to feel have "acceptable" racial background. I have very serious resevations about you feeling that all people deserve the right to a fair trial.
    Why are you so combative? You're going to get bounced if you keep this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    I got your point quite well. It was one-sided.

    There's plenty of liberals claiming to be morally superior.

    I don't believe either one.
    There is no one in the middle anymore. No one that represents me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    There is no one in the middle anymore. No one that represents me.
    I don't think you are alone in that opinion. I heard many people say the same thing prior to the election.

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    I think we missed a few here like...

    *Clinton advisor Dick Morris and call-girl Sherry Rowlands (she wrote the book,
    "If you think you know Morris, you don't know Dick")

    *Marion Barry (Democrat, Mayor of Washington, DC) 1990 cocaine bust, etc.

    *John W. Jenrette Jr. (D-South Carolina) resigned 1980 (had sex with wife Rita on capital steps..)

    *Barney Frank (D-Mass) 1989...apartment was used for escorting by gay 'housekeeper'...

    *Wayne Hays (D-Ohio)... resigned 1976 ... Elizabeth Ray was his gov't paid girlfriend...

    *Wilber Millers (D-Arkansas)... declined to seek reelection in 1976 (caught with stripper Annabell
    Battistella...Fannie Foxe was her stage name...)

    *Gary Hart (D-Colorado) remember the scandal in 1987? Donna Rice/"Monkey Business"?

    Aside from sex and drug scandals, there was also Burt Lance and Craig Livingston...both
    democrats.

    Need we go on?
    No party has a monopoly on corruption, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myssi
    No party has a monopoly on corruption, etc.
    While I agree with that I must point out that the Republican party ran a campaign strongly dependant on the idea that they represented the moral standard and that Democrats did not.

    And what of the self described title of the Moral Majority that religious conservatives gave themselves ?

    I think it is quite obvious that while no one party has a monopoly on morality, Republicans tend to declare themselves more moral than Democrats quite often.

    I don't think the same thing can be said of Democrats except possibly on rare occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    There is no one in the middle anymore. No one that represents me.
    What I would've given for a Lieberman/McCain contest.

    I so agree, Deogl. We're in a system that is polarized and radicalized at the presidential level. Each side has to pander to the radical elements of their parties to get them to vote, and then say soothing (lying) words to the moderates to appeal to the largest and most reasonable voting group. You through in other elements such as private groups campaigning and the success of negative ads and press stories, and you have a system which is not designed to put the best people in power.

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    Opps... forgot Dan Rostenkowski (D-Illinois)... indicted 1996 for corruption, served 17 months in
    prison for mail fraud... pardoned in 2000 by Pres. Clinton....
    *Ray Blanton (TN Governor - Democrat) 1981 convicted of mail fraud, extortion, conspiracy...
    *Dan Morales (Texas AG - Democrat) indicted 2003 for mail fraud...
    And didn't FDR die in the arms of his mistress?

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    And ???? That still does not change the fact that the Republicans, particularly the vocal religous sect claim to be more moral than Democrats.

    If you truely believe what you wrote earlier about no one party having a monopoly then why continue to point out the wrongs of Democrats ?

    Me thinks it might have been a small gust of hot air after all.

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    So claiming that others supposedly brag that their party is morally superior to yours makes you
    superior because you claim they really aren't, so therefor you (and all Democrats) are morally
    superior (but you don't have the guts to actually make such a claim because you know you can't
    prove it).

    Me thinks you're claiming the Democrats have a monopoly on morality. The initial post
    starting this thread essentially claimed there was no democrat "hall of shame". I've proved
    otherwise and could easily come up with a long list. But what's the point?

    As for "Republicans claim to be more moral...": what's your source? If all you need to tar every
    Republican with the brush of hypocrisy (that is immoral, right?) is to find one
    who is alledged to have said so or one who was apparently religious, then I'll conceed right now...
    too easy. But in fairness if we could then find just one Democrat somewhere in history who
    claimed to be "more" moral than some Republican or was religious... then I'd have just as strong
    a case that "all Democrats" are immoral.
    What you would really need to do is take a national poll with a stratified sample size of
    about 1000 to 1500 to reduce the error rate to 3% or less, ask party affiliation and cross
    it with some gauge of "vocal religiousness" and ask everyone if they are more moral than
    members of the opposite party. Then do some statistical tests like a chi-square and
    add demographics and geographics to verify that you captured your target sample.
    All that might show which party claimed to be "more" moral. By your implication,
    claiming to be more moral proves you aren't.
    Your claims are simply bogus conjecture meant to insult...NOT "fact".
    So much for your hot air.

    it's so silly. You're trying to claim moral superiority for an entire political party... I'm saying
    it doesn't exist and never has. I'll let others here judge who the idiot is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myssi
    So claiming that others supposedly brag that their party is morally superior to yours makes you
    superior because you claim they really aren't, so therefor you (and all Democrats) are morally
    superior (but you don't have the guts to actually make such a claim because you know you can't
    prove it).

    Me thinks you're claiming the Democrats have a monopoly on morality. The initial post
    starting this thread essentially claimed there was no democrat "hall of shame". I've proved
    otherwise and could easily come up with a long list. But what's the point?

    As for "Republicans claim to be more moral...": what's your source? If all you need to tar every
    Republican with the brush of hypocrisy (that is immoral, right?) is to find one
    who is alledged to have said so or one who was apparently religious, then I'll conceed right now...
    too easy. But in fairness if we could then find just one Democrat somewhere in history who
    claimed to be "more" moral than some Republican or was religious... then I'd have just as strong
    a case that "all Democrats" are immoral.
    What you would really need to do is take a national poll with a stratified sample size of
    about 1000 to 1500 to reduce the error rate to 3% or less, ask party affiliation and cross
    it with some gauge of "vocal religiousness" and ask everyone if they are more moral than
    members of the opposite party. Then do some statistical tests like a chi-square and
    add demographics and geographics to verify that you captured your target sample.
    All that might show which party claimed to be "more" moral. By your implication,
    claiming to be more moral proves you aren't.
    Your claims are simply bogus conjecture meant to insult...NOT "fact".
    So much for your hot air.

    it's so silly. You're trying to claim moral superiority for an entire political party... I'm saying
    it doesn't exist and never has. I'll let others here judge who the idiot is.
    I am not a Democrat, I am an Independant so strike out #1 for Myssi

    I already voiced my support of your original claim that no one party has a monopoly on morality, so your claim that I feel Democrats are morally superior is completely incorrect, so strike out #2 for Myssi

    Additionaly the term Moral Majority is well known to indicate religous Republicans and Republicans campaign claimed to be representing so called moral values in the 2004 election. I don't think there needs to be any more proof than those obvious ones , so strike out #3 for Myssi

    I never claimed to be more moral myself either so you comment saying that I did or felt as such is completely false and was pulled out of thin air. So strike out #4 for Myssi

    Time for Myssi to go back to the dugout now

    Also I never called you an idiot so I don't have a clue why you would make the claim of letting others judge who the idiot is or is not.

    But since you did and since I quoted you and posted very clear agreement to your first comment of "no one party has a monopoly" on morals, then that would make the idiot here ... nah, I'll be nice and not go there.

    I am here to discuss and share not to call people names or argue with others. Sorry to say that now I can not say the same about you.

    I am off to bed now. Have a nice night.
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