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    I know - racism is the wrong word for hating another over their belief systems. But some people in here like to throw the word around for other things too!



    The New Jersey man brutally murdered with his family was just one of a number of Christians systematically tracked by a radical Islamic website because they debate Muslims on the popular Internet chat service PalTalk.com.

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    Two months before his murder, according to authorities, Armanious received a death threat from a Muslim PalTalk user: "You'd better stop this bull ... or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you."

    The Sun's report says barsomyat.com features photographs and information about Christians who actively debate on PalTalk, including a group of photographs of a Syrian Christian, "Joseph," who now lives in Canada.

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    One comment warns: "Know, oh Christian, that you are not far from us and you are under our watchful eyes!"

    Another says: "Laugh, oh Christian, and soon you will see a big hit."


    Banner on Islamic website that tracks Christians.

    The Islamic website's banner displays lamb with its throat being slit and a crucifix crossed out by a violent red "X." The main heading, in Arabic, says "Christians: Revealing the Truth Behind Our Belief."


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    "It's chilling to see photographs of people who probably have no idea that they're on the website," he said.
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    Its horrible ! I am always amazed when people lose control over themselves. Its not that fucking serious. Everyday, I read anti-islamic articles here on SW and its never lead me to lash out or hurt anyone. This is still just the internet and the words have no meaning in my everyday life. I wish others could view life that way too.. Some of these people who get so upset about things strangers say over the internet..Well, I am just speechless.
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    I too have read numerous racist remarks about Islamic people here on this website but those remarks have usually not gone without rebuttal. Which is important in my view, as I do not feel that being apathetic to discrimination is the right way to handle such things.

    And while it is just the internet, it is also an extention of people and their perceptions of the world. I am fairly sure that those who express anti Islamic views here do so in various ways in the day to day activites as well.

    I try to keep things in perspective but I must admit that is easier sometimes than others. There have been things written here that make me want to reach through the computer and smack some sense into others.

    Thankfully technology has not come far enough yet to make such a thing possible, LOL!

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    You do realize, the article centered around an Islamic group who took delight, and possibly credit for, tying up a family of four and slashing their throats. We recognize that religious hate crimes are unacceptable. This alleged one is in the other direction from what you mentioned.

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    Yes I realize that and agree that discrimination can come from any group.

    I was merely posting in agreement with Farrah's comment about anti Islamic postings appearing here on this website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W.
    Yes I realize that and agree that discrimination can come from any group.

    I was merely posting in agreement with Farrah's comment about anti Islamic postings appearing here on this website.
    Maybe there is a reason why people are coming to distrust muslims?

    India is fighting with muslims.
    Sudan is fighting with muslims.
    Nigeria is fighting with muslims.
    The US is fighting with muslims.
    Russia is fighting chechnyain muslims.

    ... and there is about ten other conflicts I won't bother to list. I do see a pattern though.

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    ^ and how many conflicts are going on in the world where Christians are involved on at least one side of the conflict?

    If you listed all of those conflicts, would it then follow that Christians were not to be trusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kymchoon
    ^ and how many conflicts are going on in the world where Christians are involved on at least one side of the conflict?

    If you listed all of those conflicts, would it then follow that Christians were not to be trusted?
    Nice try, but I listed those countries in particular (except for the US) as not being very christian oriented.

    There are 100,000's of muslims declaring war against their neighbors, whether white, brown or whatever, whether they carry a cross, star of david, or worship Brahma or what ever.

    Behind those 100,000's are millions cheering them on.

    Now - is it ALL muslims doing this? Of course not - there are billions of them. But a "small amount" of a large amount is still pretty damn big.

    The fact is, there are a lot of muslims who cannot get along with their neighbors.

    Is it anti-Islamic of me to speak the truth? If political correctness is reaching the point where we reject the truth because it gives us the willies - then maybe we do deserve, as a country - to fall.

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    Historicaly speaking Christians have waged more war and commited more violence than any other religion.

    Is that a reason to distrust Christians ?

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    Of course. I don't trust any of them (well, I haven't heard of Buddhists starting religious wars). But the fact that other people besides certain Muslims hate others doesn't minimize the horrendous facts and background of the story.

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    In recent history,what wars have the christians started over christian beliefs???

    yes yes i know about the crusades,im talking in the last few hundred years or so,since the world has become "civilized".

    The islamic religion was founded by generals to rally the people,its a war based religion with "peace"being only for the followers.

    Thats bottom line.

    Are there good ones who dont want all non belivers dead,sure.
    Are they good muslims,no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Maybe there is a reason why people are coming to distrust muslims?

    India is fighting with muslims.
    Sudan is fighting with muslims.
    Nigeria is fighting with muslims.
    The US is fighting with muslims.
    Russia is fighting chechnyain muslims.

    ... and there is about ten other conflicts I won't bother to list. I do see a pattern though.
    These are more "civil" wars, then wars against or for Muslims. Please remember freedom of religion is not practiced as freely around the world as it is here in the US. Not to mention there are even more limited opportunities in those countries as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    In recent history,what wars have the christians started over christian beliefs???

    yes yes i know about the crusades,im talking in the last few hundred years or so,since the world has become "civilized".

    The islamic religion was founded by generals to rally the people,its a war based religion with "peace"being only for the followers.

    Thats bottom line.

    Are there good ones who dont want all non belivers dead,sure.
    Are they good muslims,no.
    Well thats only because lately there is never a "title" put with acts that groups other than Muslims commit. Just read the news headlines. No one says Christian President Bush starts war with Muslim country. ( Well not in Western media at least) But the fact of the matter is that Bush is Christian. I always find that amusing how certain groups are labeled for emphasis.
    Its sad to see the world actually moving backwards instead of forward.
    I guess I should change my name to Farrah the Muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    The islamic religion was founded by generals to rally the people,its a war based religion with "peace"being only for the followers.

    Thats bottom line.

    Are there good ones who dont want all non belivers dead,sure.
    Are they good muslims,no.
    You don't appear to have even the slightest grasp on Islam.

    I urge you to please educate yourself. You have things reversed on what the difference is between a "good" Muslim and a "bad" Muslim person.

    Most Muslims are not as you describe in the least.

    Maybe you might try attending some community Muslim centers and observe for yourself what the people are actually like; because what you describe is a very distorted view on the religion and it's follows.

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    I think you nailed it Mark !
    One has to personally be exposed to another way of thinking and other ways of life. I have lived all over the world and my family is extremely diverse. Both racially and religiously. Its easy to sit behind a PC and name call but, its harder to look at a person as a human being and try to get to know them as such. I had hoped that by me speaking up and trying to show the members that there are good Muslims all around them,me being one of them.
    So far it has almost fallen on deaf ears. My only hope is that I have had a great deal of poeple PM me with kind messages. So all is not lost, at least not yet.
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    Well thankyou Farrah.

    And I want to say that I am sorry that you have to be subjected to the racial and religous discrimination that is expressed here and elsewhere

    If anything I say or do helps lessen that, then I would be a grateful and proud man.

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    Now, you just know that extremists (Christians, Muslims, Jews, Taoists, Buddhists, anti-abortionists, white supremisists, neo-Nazis, atheists, etc.) of any type espousing hate and violence are people to stay away from. Come on now; let's use some common sense here. Let them crash and burn on their own. They are nuts and you just don't want to get into their line of fire. Unless you are nuts too, or are a professional at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    In recent history, what wars have the christians started over christian beliefs???
    How about all the wars beginning or taking place in the Balkans? Some involving Europeans in Africa.

    I could go thru a long list, but I'm leaving that as an exercise in History for you. It'll do you good.

    Please let us know when you're done. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM
    In recent history,what wars have the christians started over christian beliefs???

    yes yes i know about the crusades,im talking in the last few hundred years or so
    The Irish rebellion and the Troubles in Northern Ireland. There was a lot of that Protestant-Catholic thing.

    One could argue, I suppose, that the Nazi attempt to eliminate Jews and sometimes Catholics had some basis in a twisted view of Christian religion.

    Ethnic cleansing in Bosnia included wholesale slaughter or expulsion of Muslim populations by Christian ethnic groups.

    The U.S. takeover of Indian lands ended in 1890, 125 years ago.

    There's really no accounting for what will move people to do violence with each other. If people want to seize on Christian or Islamic or economic or defense motivations to wage war, they will.

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    Well done Mr. Zeno.

    It would be wonderful if he learned a little something tonight. I can think of few better uses for a BB like this than to help educate others, especialy on the unreasonable nature of discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Holiday
    These are more "civil" wars, then wars against or for Muslims. Please remember freedom of religion is not practiced as freely around the world as it is here in the US. Not to mention there are even more limited opportunities in those countries as well.
    Oh - I got ya - they are freedom fighters. My mistake.

    The next terrorist attack by the organization of these freedom fighters I will just say "Hey, look - they are doing the same thing as the crusades during the dark ages - who are we to judge? After all, christians attacked them 100s of years ago - they deserve some come back."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Oh - I got ya - they are freedom fighters. My mistake.

    The next terrorist attack by the organization of these freedom fighters I will just say "Hey, look - they are doing the same thing as the crusades during the dark ages - who are we to judge? After all, christians attacked them 100s of years ago - they deserve some come back."
    Did I say that ? Where are you getting your response from ? Its certainly not from what I wrote.
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    More war and violence has been brought upon mankind over religion than for any other reason. It makes me wonder- do we every learn anything from the past ?

    Sigh.

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    Yes, and while it is true that wars are fought in the name of religion, or freedom, what ever, they have one common element... they are fought by people.

    "The literal meaning of Islam is peace; surrender of one’s will i.e. losing oneself for the sake of God and surrendering one’s own pleasure for the pleasure of God. The message of Islam was revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings on him) 1, 400 years ago. It was revealed through angel Gabriel (on whom be peace) and was thus preserved in the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran carries a Divine guarantee of safeguard from interpolation and it claims that it combines the best features of the earlier scriptures."

    I have never seen the Bible in a personal conflict with the Torah or the Holy Quran. It is always those people who do not want to follow the teachings of the Word but only use it to justify why they are the chosen people and why they have the right to do what they do.

    If I were to for the Tiger Lilly religion and pray to your Avatar 3 times a day and then I were to wage a war against Melonie; is it Tiger Lilly responsible for my actions, or me... ?

    My point is that the religions do not promote war. It is again the people.

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    Absolutly Sitri ! And thanks for pointing out that true Muslims believe in peace and love as do the true followers of most religions-- the problem is, as I see it , is that too many people of several different religions call themselves followers but they really aren't.

    Down in the States there is ALOT of that with so called "Christians". Great examples are Falwell, Phelps and G.W.

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