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    Sad God:"DO NOT STRIP"????

    I don't know about whether or not there is a God but I sure had a hell of a scare last Saturday night (well, Sunday morning).
    All of the girls in my club carpool. Most of us ride with the DJ. Saturday night (sunday...whatever) he was supposed to take SEVEN girls home in his truck. That's eight people in a truck made to seat five. Some regulars were at the club that night and said they would take some of the girls home. Two of the girls decided to ride with them. They left like two seconds before we did and before we knew it, they were GONE. One of the girls told me they hit about 100 miles an hour (in a king cab truck).
    A wintery mix had been falling since around 6pm Saturday and by the time the club closed (2am) the temperature was below freezing and the sleet was now ICE.
    After riding for about 45 minutes, I was sick of listening to the drunk stripper's ranting and zoned out on the road. Five minutes later, something caught my eye. "oh my god" i shouted, "did you see that car? we have to stop. that car is totaled. we have cel-phones. we have to help." (I'm always really dramatic and concerned whenever serious shit goes down.) We stopped and the frenzy began. Turns out, on the other side of the road, over an embankment, was the other truck (the one with the other two strippers). Everyone was screaming. This girl ( a regular) had been ejected from the truck and no one could find her. So I climb/fall/slide down the icy embankment and try to find her. No luck, but one of the guys found her. So I run over to the guys car. He's pinned inside. His nose is bleeding. He's shivering...he's in schock. My heart was racing.
    The drunk stripper was crying about how she could be dead. One of the strippers that was in the accident is freaking out because she is on probation and isn't allowed to drink alcohol (she was wasted) and the fact that she has been up for a few days on meth isn't helping either. The other girl in the accident was freaking out about the paramedics getting there because she didn't have the money to go to the hospital and she was afraid they were going to make her go.
    It was total chaos. And in the middle of it all, i ask the guy who is pinned in the car if he is cold. He says yes and I take my fleece poncho off and put it over his chest and arms. I wasn't cold for some reason (of course now I have a killer cold).
    Anyway that was my second night dancing and for some reason I stayed sober that night. I don't know but like I had just gotten over my whole leftover "dancing is BAD" feelings from my religious upbringing. Now I'm really confused. I have this "ally McBeal" brain that sometimes gets a little off-track. So now this little image of God warning me flashes in my head sometimes. And I'm supposed to work Thursday, watched the news today, and saw on the weather, that they are calling for bad weather again. I know I'm over-reacting, but that shit really scared me. Really scared everybody. Anyone a licensed therapist?
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    Oh sweetie...(hug) you're a good person. Don't look at life this way. I had a bad car accident right before I started dancing, and I sometimes wondered if God was trying to stop me from being a dancer by taking away my car. But, I'm better off now than I would have been if I hadn't danced, so I am not troubled by those thoughts.
    It's not your fault the driver was driving recklessly. Sometimes weather-related accidents happen with no human involvement (I was in taxi in Fargo ND that was skidding all over the street...I told the driver it was Car Ice Capades.)
    Edit to add: I won't lie to you, the dancer scene is pretty wild. I've seen things I never thought I would. I wasn't raised thinking this was an okay job either. But, you'll be wiser, and ironically, a good upbringing can protect you from making some of the mistakes that other dancers do.

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    I would take some time off,so you can mentally regroup.You sound like an intelligient person and make wise choices.Listen to what your gut tells you.
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    Oh my, Veronica, I sometimes get the religious ''I shouldn't strip'' thing too. I know what you mean. I think that ultimately stripping does go against the grain of Christianity, but as a choice (and a self-marked fallability in that sense), I choose to do it. It's a difficult choice to make when two different sides of you conflict, but if these experiences affect you (I.E. the accident and whatever else may have happened), and you put them down to stripping, then maybe you should consider whether or not you wish to continue dancing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veronica13
    After riding for about 45 minutes, I was sick of listening to the drunk stripper's ranting and zoned out on the road. Five minutes later, something caught my eye. "oh my god" i shouted, "did you see that car? we have to stop. that car is totaled. we have cel-phones. we have to help."
    I don't profess to have any expertise in interpreting divine intervention or intent, but perhaps it was God's plan for you to be there at that moment so that help was available. If not for your spotting the wreck and insisting on stopping, how long would they have been stuck there? Or maybe it's something a bit less direct. Such as: everything that God has blessed you with, including your personality and caring attitude, came into play at a time when it was most needed, just as it will in the future. Or God's message may have been pragmatic: A) Know the driving skills and other traits of the person you're getting into a car with, B) Don't drive drunk, don't ride with a drunk, and don't drive like or ride with a speed demon on ice, and C) Staying sober at work has its benefits including the ability to act and choose wisely.

    I offer these to ponder but I'm not favoring any of these over your original interpretation because it's totally up to you and your intuition to determine the meaning for yourself and how to react. Also, I send major hugs your way. Under any interpretation, the event definitely was a traumatic experience and you should give yourself some special pampering to soften the shock. And perhaps you need a little time to sort it out. Good luck, darling.

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    Do what you need to do in order to survive. If you choose the strip, do it as a JOB not a lifestyle. Stripping as a job is just that, a job. No less humiliating or immoral than other jobs. Many other legitimate jobs are more humiliating and immoral (taking advatage of people and manipulating them for profit is VERY common in the business world). The people who get in trouble as dancers treat the job as a lifestyle and are destroyed in the process. Use your best judgement. Listen to that voice of concious in your head. It's usually right.


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    First off your a good person. I think you had the best intentions at heart and going out for what you that was a little harmless fun. Possibly trying to make some friends at the strip club and feeling good about it. Taking some time off might help from just to recover from everything you saw..after you left the club. I don't know if God was telling you that you should not strip..but I think it could be a big sign telling you..that you keep yourself in the club. Business is business...girls will understand if you don't go out with them when they ask you, customer will have to understand why you don't go out with them. These guys are customers...NOT friends or people that care about you. You must fend for yourself. Be friendly in the club to the other girls..they won't hate you..just keep to yourself and girls will know that you come in and do your thing and leave. If you feel uncomfotable turning girls down, make something up that you have night school or you have to go baby sit a niece of yours. Something. I think you might attribute this scary event to stripping it self. I can see how you do. But the scariness happened AFTER you left the club. This kinda of stuff would not happen in the club. So stay with in the saftey of the club where the managers and bouncers take care of you. Yes, ocassional drama can happen in the club..but you can have the guy kicked out


    Just take it easy and learn from this. But take some days off to just chill, you'll feel better with time.

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    OH dear....

    I was raised in a strict southern baptist household. We're talking three times a week at church and no friends outside of church. My mother still works for the church; they have no idea that I've been dancing for the past 2.5 years.

    I have gone through the "guilt/I'm going to hell/stripping is a sin" thing, even though I don't follow any religion beyond acknowledgement in a divine being.

    Not to get side-tracked, but in logical reflection, the reason there are such negative connotations with dancing is due to the shame that society has connected with the body and sexuality. Honestly, as progressive as Americans are, you'd think we would have gotten comfortable with some skin by now.

    That's where the bad feelings came from for me. Once I recognized that my body and sexuality were NOT things to feel ashamed of, I no longer had the "im doomed to hell" feelings.

    What's most important is that YOU feel good about what YOU do. If you don't, dancing is not for you.

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    This wont be the last time.

    Chances are,if you dance for 5 years,you will put 2-3 friends in the ground,if not more.

    Its very sad.

    The many common reasons are listed in your post.

    Stay focused and remember why your doing this.
    Learn from this, many of the girls in your town wont,it will be thier story of demise we hear next,dont let it be you.

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    This is plain and simple stupidity. STUPID. STUPID. STOOOOPID!!!!!

    Stripping has nothing to do with it. Let's us examine what is wrong with this story:

    7 people in a vehicle made for 5=no seatbelts=STOOPID!
    2 girls driving home with a customer, wasted-STOOOPID!
    meth=STOOOPID!
    driving like an asshole in inclement weather=STOOPID!
    You going along with all of this=STOOPID!
    Need I go on?


    Darwin is laughing at all of you.

    Idiots.


    Please learn your lesson from this. The way I see it, God chose for you to live through this. Don't put yourself in this type of situation again.

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    Sorry to hear about that I'm just like you if that happend to me "knock on wood" I'd freak and probabaly never want to dance, but on the other had i do agree with SCORPIO. What
    happend didn't have much to do with dancing just use your head and make right choices.

    Why don't you tell us how your night at the club went? Did you have a good time? Did you bank?

    Take your mind of it. just thank God no one died!!!!!! You are a good person!!!!!

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    Don't look at this as Gods way af telling you not to strip. Maybe he's telling you not to get caught up in "the lifestyle". You were sober and able to help those people in need. Also smart enough not to get into a car with a drunk customer. There are many things wrong with what those girls did, not to say that they deserved what happened but they definately made some wrong choices.

    If you need to regroup before going back do so, always take care of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpio
    7 people in a vehicle made for 5=no seatbelts=STOOPID!
    2 girls driving home with a customer, wasted-STOOOPID!
    meth=STOOOPID!
    driving like an asshole in inclement weather=STOOPID!
    You going along with all of this=STOOPID!
    Need I go on?


    Darwin is laughing at all of you.

    Idiots.


    Please learn your lesson from this. The way I see it, God chose for you to live through this. Don't put yourself in this type of situation again.
    Scorpio may seem a bit harsh....but correct in essence. IMHO, there is no sin in displaying your nude body, dancing with a customer, or in fact most any other activity two consenting adults can do whether or not money is a factor. But the excessive alcohol & drug use, reckless driving etc is courting the devil.....or at least death. I've lost far too many friends to alcohol or drug related deaths.

    I am a performer too, I'm 44 years old and have performed in some fashion or other some 30 years. I can tell you absolutely, drugs or alcohol are detrimental to your abilities. I want to be the best that I can when I'm on the stage. I know that occasionally alcohol or drugs can temporarily make you feel better, and some of us performers especially feel the need for some liquid or chemical "courage" to walk out on the stage. But in reality they are NOT helping us perform better, though we might think otherwise while under their influence. Look at some of the greatest musicians, like Eric Clapton, Aerosmith etc.... after getting sober they play far better than they ever did stoned.

    Using them on the job is an extremely bad habit. Occasional recreational use of alcohol, and IMO marijuana which should be legal everywhere as it is in some countries, is ok if you have the self-control to use them safely and not over-indulge. But not on the job, period. I know that it's especially tempting in the SC environment but your performance and ultimately your income will suffer. Meth, XTC, crack, cocaine, heroin .... you're headed for the gutter or worse if you mess with them. I know, I've done it all pretty much except what hadn't been invented before I quit ;-) It's like running your finger over a knife edge, don't be surprised when you get cut.

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    We all have traumatic moments in life that we think are a message from a higher power telling us to straighten our ways, but the fact is that these things happen to plenty of people who have never set foot inside a strip club in their lives.

    A variety of stupid and reckless behaviors co-mingling at once are what caused that accident. Being a stripper wasn't one of them.
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    Sorry my thread was so dramatic. I feel so childish. Guess I'm just gonna get up and move on. I tend to dwell on the past, so I just need to put it behind me. I've already learned my lesson about drugs THE HARD WAY. Thanks to everyone for being so supportive (except Scorpio who I would like to thank for telling me what I needed to hear, but already knew).
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    You seem like a smart girl who made a bad choice. If you learn from those bad choices, and listen to your inner voice (which is never wrong) and go with what you know is right, then you will be a better, wiser person.

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    I don't believe in a God who watches over each and every one of us 5 or 6 billion people, keeping track to make sure we are doing whatever He/She/It wants us to, BUT...

    You were in the right place and time to do some good in this hard world.

    If I'm wrong about God--and who knows if I am--maybe God wants you right where you are, to continue to do the right thing when the time comes for it.

    If I'm wrong about God, God has also sent you a message not to ride with people that are under the influence of controlled substances.

    It may diverge from the classical Judeo/Christian ethical system to say this, but I think your chances of going to hell are not all that great for taking your clothes off now and then, with a little style.

    What is bad about dancing is people treating each other like shit, as tends to happen all too often in the sex-related industry. The prevalence of drugs and alcohol in the business make things a lot harder for those who haven't learned to avoid temptation, as you already have.

    That inner voice you have experienced, "this little image of God warning me flashes in my head sometimes" could be right or wrong about you dancing--only time will tell if you can still be comfortable in this choice of career. I wouldn't let religious feelings interfere with your making a lot of money, so long as you remain as disciplined and considerate a person as you obviously are (from reading your post).

    Too many people listen to the wrong inner voice, and wind up in bad relationships, bad careers, or dead.
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    Veronica, Catholic or Jehovah's Witness? Just taking a guess here since I consider them the two strictest... Me, I was raised as a jw... so I've spent over half my life doing the whole studying the bible, preaching, going to the "kingdom hall" etc... even then, the fear they tried to keep us in line with had nothing to do with... If you disobey God, he'll make you suffer in a horrible car accident.

    Anyway, as someone who doesn't believe in God, I'm going to try to not be to biased here... but if someone believes there's a god... and he makes things happen to tell you things and send messages to you... is this the kind of stuff god does to send messages? Okay, I was raised in a very strict religious household... and even then... Satan was the asshole deamed responsible for this death and suffering stuff... God (supposedly) gave human's the bible... Stripping isn't exactly seen as as an okay thing to do in the bible... so he's already told you what he wants to, right?
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    WHEW. i mean its just a lot of mixed emotions. I just don't even want to contemplate it anymore. I've gone from Mennonite to Non-denominational to Atheism to... who cares. The way I see it, if I spend my life with my head stuck up my ass worrying about the rightness or wrongness of what I am doing, well, what kind of life is that?
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    If it makes you feel better I have another situation:

    A couple weeks ago I decided to go into my club to watch the other girls hustle and take mental notes. An hour later we heard that it was snowing, but I still stuck around. I stayed for HOURS eating and learning the tricks of the trade lol. One of the girls told me I should get on the roads before dark, but I took my own sweet time to get my stuff together, say goodbye, and head to my car.

    I was heading down the highway and I saw that it is in fact very icy.
    I turned the corner off the street where the club was and got onto the highway. 10 minutes later I put on the traffic report on the radio and the first thing I heard reported is that there was horrible accident... on the very street where the club is!! The very street I had just turned off of 10 minutes before!! A truck jack knifed and traffic would be backed up on that street for at least 3 hours. Meanwhile, I made it home in 15 minutes flat. After wards I heard that traffic was backed up for up to 9 hours in other areas. It was sad but I couldn't help but laugh a little.

    That weekend a lot CUSTOMERS told me about being trapped on the roads for 6 hours to get from their workplaces to homes 20 or 30 minutes away. Other people told me their stories too. But the girls didn't HAVE any horror stories, because most of them weren't even scheduled for that day, and the few who were didn't get off until much later.

    So for me, going to the club was not a curse. I don't take it as a sign that I shouldn't go back. Had it happened on the way there, maybe, and even then--coincidence, seeing how many people in general were stuck in that jam.

    And this is for a situation that people had no power over, whereas with your situation there were a lot of elements that were the result of people's concious mistakes.

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    Dance if you need it to make money to move towards a goal...otherwise, don't.

    I doubt god crashed a car to warn you off stripping...it's not a surprising occurence considering the situation. If anything it's a warning against a certain lifestyle, not against dancing itself.

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    Here is an illuminating excerpt from a book I read a short time ago. It doesn't have anything to do with stripping, but it is quite emphatically relevant to the question of whether God is trying to send us messages, keep us from doing anything in particular, or reward us for pious behavior.

    The book is called A Blood Dimmed Tide, by Gerald Astor (Dell Publishers) and it is about the brutal fighting that took place during the Battle for the Ardennes in 1944. Here we go...

    "During a break I was sitting with a guy whose brother was a priest and his sister a nun. He was always talking up religon...He took his Bible out and told me 'This is what saved us.' The words were no sooner out of his mouth when a treeburst snapped his neck. I've been an atheist since then." (pg. 215)

    I almost walked out of my own brother's funeral, since the idiot priest felt it necessary to tell boldfaced lies, for about five minutes straight, about his supposed piety, and how God must have had a good reason to take one of his true believers so early up into heaven. My brother was an atheist, though that's not why he died young either--he made an incredibly stupid, though all-too-human mistake, and drowned. I can only assume the priest was spewing out this drivel in order to make the grief of those at the funeral easier to bear. It did me no good whatsoever.

    Whether one chooses to believe in God is a personal decision. Whether one chooses to believe that God is singling one person out for special attention, out of 6 billion humans on this earth, amongst several hundred billion galaxies, is also a personal decision. But with the plethora of dubious tales out there about God having 'his reasons' for sparing this life, or taking that one away, or sending us messages in various ways, I thought it might be interesting to tell this story of piety and reward.
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