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    Default Finally an end to the propoganda in sight

    Dems have propsed a new bill called the Prohibition of Propoganda Act of 2005, most certianly as a measure to combat things like Bush and Rooves "Campaign of Fear " that was such an asset in their winning of the 2004 election.

    Too bad for the Repubs ( and others too ,though- imo- Repubs use the tactic 100,000x more often) that spinning lies to voters may soon be prohibited. So long SwiftBoat Ads etc. etc.


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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    As this proposed act comes from the liberal extreme, I feel it's only fair to try and balance it from the conservative extreme - in this case Rush Limbaugh ...

    As Rush points out in his usual over the top style, this proposed act if applied equally across the board would also affect the EPA, PBS, gov't research grants to college professors, and a host of other liberal favorites !


    "Most Gov't Propaganda Money Goes to the Left
    January 28, 2005

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    Have you heard about this? You know, with the Maggie Gallagher story and the Armstrong Williams story, this is such a laugher to me. Senators are going to introduce the Stop Government Propaganda Act. "In response to continued revelations of government-funded 'journalism' -- ranging from the purported video news releases put out by the drug czar's office and the Department of Health and Human Services to the recently uncovered payments to columnists Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher... Senators Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) will introduce a bill, The Stop Government Propaganda Act, in the Senate next week. 'It's just not enough to say, "Please don't do it anymore,"' Alex Formuzis, Lautenberg's spokesman. 'Legislation sometimes is required and we believe it is in this case.' The Stop Government Propaganda Act states, 'Funds appropriated to an Executive branch agency may not be used for publicity or propaganda purposes within the United States unless authorized by law.'" (Laughter). So the Democrats have left themselves an "out" when they get back in charge of the executive branch. They'll pass a law saying propaganda is okay.

    The act, they don't need it. They've got the mainstream press as their #1 propaganda arm! They don't need to buy a thing. This is what was so obvious about campaign finance reform. I mean, you know, their #1 shouting or megaphone couldn't be shut down because they had First Amendment protection. I mean, the mainstream press doesn't have to buy media time, it is the media, and so of course the Democrats can afford to do this. "The act would allow citizens to bring qui tam lawsuits on behalf of the United States government when the Department of Justice does not respond. If the matter is taken to court, the bill proposes that the senior official responsible would be fined three times the amount of the 'misspent taxpayer funds.'" (Laughter). I'm sorry, I'll tell you why I'm laughing here in a minute. "Plus an additional fine ranging from 5,000 to $10,000, and if a citizen's lawsuit is accepted, the bill proposes that the plaintiff receive between 25 and 30% of the proceeds of the fine. You know, these fools don't even realize what they're doing. Look, folks, the dirty little secret here is that the vast majority of government grant money goes to left-wingers.

    Almost half of the EPA budget, for example, is grant money to a bunch of these wacko environmentalists out there telling all these lies about global warming and fossil fuels and the rest. Most of that goes to these left-wing groups. So as far as I'm concerned, anytime they issue some press release or white paper or their spokesmen appear on radio or TV and their group has received government money, then they've violated the law. I'm serious about this. If we're going to come up with a Stop Government Propaganda Act, we can really slice the federal budget by a significant amount. It's not just the EPA. I mean, for crying out loud the government grants that go out to various scientists and departments from various branches of government, and then you get a report echoing what the government wants, or whoever issued the grant. Sometimes senators are in charge of authorizing these grants as part of legislation. Now, we've had a lot of stories today and all week and we're going to have them throughout the weekend about the horrors awaiting innocent Iraqis as they risk their lives to vote in a meaningless, worthless election that should have been cancelled, quote-unquote. "


    PS the swift boat ads were privately funded and would not be affected by this act, which would only apply to grants of gov't money. However, it WOULD potentially affect many political groups currently accepting/receiving gov't grant money i.e. the Rainbow Coalition. The liberals KNOW this ! IMHO the liberals have absolutely no serious thoughts of actually getting this legislation passed, and are merely using it as a means of generating 'friendly' media coverage (for free) thus short term political mileage.
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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    This Act is a good thing because it will help protect voters from being snowballed with LIES again (by anyone of any party ) like same way Roove and Bush have done.

    The only people who would oppose this act are those who need to lie to get in power-- such a G.W.

    I predict very few liberals will oppose this act but many if not most conservatives will-- case in point, the drug addicted Rush Slimball.

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    Tiger, I take it you do not like that Russ guy. What's his name....the radio guy?

    Rush Limburger?
    Rusty Lumbaugh?
    Lester Rimburger?
    Lush Rimjob?

    Durn, I just can't remember his name, must be those pain pills again.
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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    LOL !!! I like the Lush Rimjob- good one, did you make that up ? If so I give it an A+

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    What's the effect on 'propaganda' broadcast by the VOA and Radio Marti?
    Would NPR also be shut down? How about PBS funding?

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    well, that's the key point. It would appear that republican oriented 'lies' are highly objectionable, while democrat oriented 'lies' are totally acceptable recipients of government grants and funding !

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    This act would apply to all not just Repubs

    But (IMO)- Repubs would be hit ther hardest because they rely on propganda lies more so than others. Case in point- Karl Roove and the 2004 Bush campaign.
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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    Lying is part of politics. Always has been; always will be. That's why we have a free press. To ferret that out and present it to the people for their consideration.

    Too bad the press lies too.

    Unfortunately the press is not 'free'; someone has to pay for it. Therein lie the biases and misdirection.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    ^ true

    its also too bad that certian poltical parties ( Repubs recently) have been buying journalists and also filming propganda clips made to look like news reports and then having tv stations play them as "news".

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    ^ total bullshit, as usual(imo) - This act would apply to all not just Repubs
    well if that is the case then things should get very interesting around Washington D.C.



    (snip)"These are hardly isolated examples. To the contrary, most major environmental organizations are on the federal dole. Environmental Defense received a $240,000 EPA grant last September and has received over $4.5 million from the EPA since 1993. Likewise the World Resources Institute has been awarded over $1 million from the EPA in the last five years. The Natural Resources Defense Council is one of the loudest advocates for increasing the EPA's regulatory authority — and one of Bush administration's most persistent critics. Yet NRDC has received over $6.5 million since 1993. Just last month the EPA awarded NRDC another $400,000 grant. Yet when these organizations appear in the Washington Post, whether in bylined pieces or reported articles, their federal support is scarcely, if ever, disclosed.(snip)"

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    again the National Poo is just trash not worthy of any respect in terms of journalism.

    But lets stay on track here, this thread is not about the EPA-- that should be deleted or taken to a new thread.

    Melonie - do you support or oppose this anti Proganda Act ?

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    Melonie - do you support or oppose this anti Proganda Act ?
    I support the proposed act wholeheartedly ... IF it is uniformly applied and enforced. However I have an extremely tough time believing that exceptions won't be made for say National Public Radio, Public Broadcasting Network, EPA grants to vocal environmental groups, DOEd grants to 'selective research' groups, and many other liberal favorites, so that they can continue to pump out liberal propaganda at US taxpayers expense.

    again the National Poo is just trash not worthy of any respect in terms of journalism
    Same could be said for the Washington Post. At any rate, the dollar amounts of the grants listed in the National Review article are verifiable.

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    This is the height of hypocrisy. Note this is not an actual bill, "will introduce a bill, The Stop Government Propaganda Act, in the Senate next week." It is a preannouncement of something--purely designed to get it talked about on the weekend talk shows.

    Is this bill going to ban congressional use of resources for propaganda too, such as abuses by members of Congress of the Congressional Budget office? As I read the full article it only banned the Executive branch from doing things, and as such would violate the separation of powers.

    Where is the actual bill? Find it in Thomas!
    Right now it is a PR stunt.

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    I sure hope it is not a PR stunt. I think it is a wonderful idea and is so very much needed in this country due to the intense level of lies used to sway voters. People should be able to make their political choices based on facts not propganda regardless of party.

    Especially now that we have found out that Bush and Co. used tons taxpayer money to but propganda spot in the media-- something needs to be done besides just saying they shouldn't do that . There needs to be punishment for such actions to prevent both that pack of liars and anyone else from being able to brainwash numerous voters.

    [QUOTE=Melonie]I support the proposed act wholeheartedly ... IF it is uniformly applied and enforced. However I have an extremely tough time believing that exceptions won't be made for say National Public Radio, Public Broadcasting Network, EPA grants to vocal environmental groups, DOEd grants to 'selective research' groups, and many other liberal favorites, so that they can continue to pump out liberal propaganda at US taxpayers expense.
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    Thankgod- finallyI see some reason coming from you on the subject of politics I agree with you that this should apply to all propganda both liberal and conservative.

    But watch who fights this the most if it goes up for vote- I predict it won't be Dems. I hope though that it gets passed with a majority vote on both sides. It sure would be nice change to see the current Repubs in governemnt hold their own to some accountable for their actions. I think maybe there is a small chance that they will start to do so on a number of subjects now that the election is over. I have already been hearing some rumbles of discontent from some Repubs about Bush and many of his policies . Several Repubs are up for re-election in their states soon and they have to start doing whats best for the people or they will be out on their butts. And since very little of Bush's ideas are good for the US domesticaly I forsee more and more Repubs speaking out against the bastad. It is my deepest hope that this Stop Propganda Act will be one of the first of many subject Repubs and Dems alike will take action on. Bush needs to be put in his place- which is out of his theocratical throne.

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    MY, MY, My ....

    Is there no one who will stand and defend the first ammendment to the Constitution of the United States

    What has it come to when both liberal and conservative have come to embrace CENSORSHIP (I know it's an ugly word but someone has to say it)

    Just think .... if we take to ignoring the right to free speech, what other things have been cited by the Supreme Court under that very clause.... say maybe..... Nude Dancing??!?

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    I believe the main point is that tax payers money is being used to spread propganda.

    It is not a violation of free speech to eliminate government funds being used to push untruths into an election process.People who want there message expressed will just have to pay for it themselves rather than have the tax payers pay for it.

    I think this bill is an excellant and badly needed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W.
    I believe the main point is that tax payers money is being used to spread propganda.

    It is not a violation of free speech to eliminate government funds being used to push untruths into an election process.People who want there message expressed will just have to pay for it themselves rather than have the tax payers pay for it.

    I think this bill is an excellant and badly needed one.
    Agreement here from the right.

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    Including the fake annual statements of your social security "benefit" started under Clinton?

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    If it was faked, then yes.

    I support US voters having acess to the truth so we can make informed choices rather those based of proganda - a great example is all the lies used by Bush and Co.

    I'm sick of seeing people buy into bullshit and then base their votes on it.

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    I'm sick of seeing people buy into bullshit and then base their votes on it.
    Are you perchance referring to 'global warming' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Are you perchance referring to 'global warming' ?
    This law should be really entertaining when the democrats have to deal with it when they are in power (as the pendulum always swings...)

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    Default Re: Finally and end to the Propoganda in sight !

    One could think that the current libel and slander laws would tone this NONSENSE down. But apparently not.

    So I guess we need yet another law -- one so new that we haven't YET forgotten how to apply it yet. Another law, aand another nuisance law, that someday may come back to BITE us all in the ass.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

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    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer
    One could think that the current libel and slander laws would tone this NONSENSE down. But apparently not.

    So I guess we need yet another law -- one so new that we haven't YET forgotten how to apply it yet. Another law, aand another nuisance law, that someday may come back to BITE us all in the ass.
    Sounds simular to the 10,000 gun control laws and yet we need another one according to some.

    (Luckily they have been voted out of office, so I guess the people do speak.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    This law should be really entertaining when the democrats have to deal with it when they are in power (as the pendulum always swings...)
    I don't see this affecting the Democrats too much actually.

    Now Republicans on the other hand, may have a rough time getting used to it at first.

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