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    242 - He also assured me there aren't any dildo shows.
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    By the way - this is off topic - is "gotten" a word? I keep using it, despite the fact that whever I read it I have a little cringe.

    lol, my mum and I argue about 'gotten' being a word or not all the time! (I know, nerds)

    It is, technically. It is looked upon in British/Commonwealth English as slang, and American English as acceptable. I agree it sounds funny, but there are some situations where no other word will do. 'got', 'become' and 'received' don't always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Damn. I hope that wasn't me. What was she dancing to?
    Sorry Jenny, I didin't mean to take aim at any of the dancers from Seductions.

    I'm sure it wasn't you. I don't remember the music.

    My point was that the club was dead at 11:30 on a Thursday night.

    And I won't assume that you are among those the waitress was talking about, who 'get down on their knees' (her words not mine). She actually said that the waitresses don't like serving drinks in the 'dance area' because of all what goes on there.

    I just know I wouldn't be willing to work under those conditions.

    Again, I didn't mean to disrespect anyone's body-type, sorry if that's what I did.

    I was more meaning to imply that the place wasn't a gown-club by any means, and that the only girl in sight was NOT well put together and was way too liquored up and seemed copletely out of it.

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    Baby, I was only kidding. (Although I'm willing to be sure it wasn't me. Let's go with that - it definitely wasn't me). I wasn't actually offended, and I don't work there anymore anyway, so don't worry about it.
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    I was talking to one girl that used to work at Seductions and I mentioned how I felt that it was a dirty club. She looks at me and makes this fucking face like i'm some sort of an idiot and says "Ha! this is the joke of the week! Seductions is the cleanest club I've ever worked at" If she thinks that about Seductions, how far is she willing to go? Goddamn..

    Thank you, 242_Fair. You are right that SI canada is recruiting for his stupid clubs here. He pm'd me about another thread, arguing, of course.

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    Thats me- Gary's the name and I do work at the Cleanest club in Ontario-now that being said Meea you havent been to Seductions since, June of last year,and lets see you have worked at Tony's East,Filmores, the Palace,Brass rail,For your eyes only,Seductions, Casino,House of Lancaster,Club Mystique,Airport Strip and thats just the clubs that you have mentioned in this area-Can I ask you a question-What type of Club are you looking for and what would be your ideal Club?

    Now getting back to defending the Club Seductions on Kipling Ave in "I agree the miliage in the past" may have been not acceptable and we have have focused on that problem,some of the dancers were taking liberties that they should not have-The Management has taken steps to ensure that Seductions in Toronto has cleaned house and made it more fun for Customers and more profitiable for Dancers that are working there without crossing the legal line as far as dances go. The owner of the club has bent over backwords to provide a safe working environment for the dancers-They even have not one but two Doorman on in the daytime plus a female manager to ensure the Seductions Toronto club is run with a upscale theme in mind.
    The Private Club idea is a big Customer base for Seductions,yes the Customers have to become members to enter but it only cost $10 per year which isnt much considering that most clubs have a $3 cover everytime you enter-No Floor fees for Dancers-do 2 shows and there is no freelance fee-I am glad this owner is very smart because while all others are standing there with there hands out taking the money from the girls,this owner believes in the girls and how hard this job is and says he will make money from the products he sells and he does not sell the girls!
    I hope anybody in the past does give Seductions and Myself an opportunity to welcome you to Seductions Toronto or Welcome Back to Seductions.

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    As for this discussion.... if you keep up with the news at all you would have seen this all over it. It was actually a fairly puplicised story. A few Toronto club owners even appeared on the news discussing the shortage and how it was hurting there businesses.

    Maybe there's alot of girls at your club but, theres more than one club in Toronto. There are many clubs with shortage of girls.

    Thank you for all of your point of views.....very interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by VANESSA
    A few Toronto club owners even appeared on the news discussing the shortage and how it was hurting there businesses.

    Maybe there's alot of girls at your club but, theres more than one club in Toronto. There are many clubs with shortage of girls.
    These clubs have a shortage of girls because they have NO customers, therefore no Dancers want to work there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yea
    These clubs have a shortage of girls because they have NO customers, therefore no Dancers want to work there.
    You said it, Sista!

    Any 'shortage' of dancers reflects your club's environment requiring more demeaning acts than the girls are willing to provide.

    FACT: If you ran a clean club and there was money to be made, girls would come.

    There would be no shortage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 242_fair
    You said it, Sista!
    And I'll say it again: No dancer shortage in Toronto! Would be nice if it was true..


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    A few points of clarification have been inserted:

    There has recently been alot of talk about the dancer shortage in canada.
    ... by the pimps who want more foreign girls to extort

    Apparently canadians are not interested in stripping for a living.
    ...if it involves full contact lap dancing and vaginal shows including but not limited to: fingering ones self, being fingered, being licked, totally nude full contact dancing, then caught by LE and charged simoultaniously for violating the lap dancing bi-law, and prostitution for offering to do a sexually lude act...

    Things got so bad at one point, Ottawa had to come up with a stripper visa program to deal with the shortage of exotic dancers in this country.
    ...The club owners wanted more and more cheap Eastern Euro dancers so bad. They wanted the money these girls would earn so bad that they harassed the front line immigration workers to no end... the immigration workers couldn't keep up with their demands and harassment, so the program was hatched in a back room at Canada Immigration, probabally in the haze of a hang over as the civil servants recoverd from their previous night of dancin' girls and booze.

    Last year, 500 Romanian women got such visas.
    Since the organized crime links controling trafficking of women are strongest between Canada and Romania than any other Easter Euro country...

    I think you see where I'm going with this...

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    This shit really pisses me of. Don't forget my previous statement regarding the "fees" these girls HAD to pay for years to their "agents".


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    SI Canada -
    I wanted to read your posts, but your spelling/grammar/punctuation is so awful that I couldn't understand a thing you were trying to say...


    As for a shortage of dancers, I certainly haven't noticed such a thing. There have been plenty of beautiful, young, Canadian girls at every club I've been too.


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    Gary if you want to fight then pm me don't do it in front of everyone! we are not in grade 5!

    And turn up the lights in your VIP - no can even see their own hands in there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 242_fair
    But then the no-lapdance bi-law went into effect. A major crackdown in 1999 saw well over 200 women arrested in massive raids from Mississauga to Markham. Girls were charged with prostitution, many many customers were also arrested,
    Since prostitution is not illegal in Canada how could they be charged with such?

    Actually they were arrested for bawdy house violations and many customers for being "inmates" or "found ins". After a number of cases in the Courts which had contridictory results, I understand all the cases were dismissed other than some for being in Canada illegally.

    Also in these cases there was full sex going on in the booths. In 1999 the Supreme Court of Canada settled at least most of the issue, saying that full contact nude laps are not illegal as long as no "penetration of masturbation".

    While prostitution is not illegal itself, if an incall place including a strip club is regularly used for prostitution it is a bawdy house violation. But that is very hard to prove
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    Dave, why did you edit your original post? It was informative for people unfamiliar with the area.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CrescentLuna
    Toronto it's $20 and amount of contact depends on the club. Most of them tell you no boob touching. When I say full-contact I mean anything covered by a g-string is off-limits to the customer, but only that - not full service. Is the $20 canadian or US?
    Toronto is in Canada...so the $20 is Canadian $
    It is still a good deal for us in the U.S. although not nearly as good of an exchange rate advantage just a few years ago $CDN about $US .80now vs about .62 when I first "discovered" Canada was far more practical than enjoying Thailand!

    The Toronto situation is a mess which is why I never go to clubs in the City but stick to the clubs in Mississauga, Niagara Falls and Hamilton Strip or Solid Gold in Burlington.

    The Toronto bylaw that was passed in 1995 which I don't think has been changed (someone correct me if it has), made it clear saying "No attendant shall, while providing services as an attendant (in an adult entertainment parlour), touch or have physical contact with any other person in any manner whatsoever involving any part of the person's body."

    BUT... how far can the City go inforcing it? Also its a bylaw its not a crime only relates to licensing. A city can not have a bylaw that overly restricts what is legal under the Canadian Criminal Code. Full contact nude lap dancing has been declared legal by the Canadian Supreme Court, including breast touching as long as there is no penetration or direct masterbation.

    As Brampton found out last year, the Courts will not allow unreasonable restrictions on what is legal to stand. Brampton's bylaw saying the massage gal in a body rub couldn't be nude was declared void by the Ontario Superior Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yea
    Dave, why did you edit your original post? It was informative for people unfamiliar with the area.
    Ahhh... All I did was add a line or two and some spell corrections I think

    Thanks for your comments

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    Actually, I didn't say that it never victimizes foreign women; I think what I said was that the whole trafficking women against their will is a red herring.
    I also agree it does happen but not nearly as much as the anti-sex feminist would want you to believe.

    I know about the Russian Escort agency situation. Yes, they work 24 hours a day or at least on call, have to pay huge rental costs, and other fees to their handlers, and large fees to get them into Canada.

    BUT, I have been told by guys who have befriended them and found the true story, they willingly came to Canada for their maybe 2-3 years of "abuse" by long hours, paying high fees etc. But it was worth it to them since once they had repaid their handlers (yes may even have some Russian mafia ties), they are free. They often marry and enjoy the freedom of living in Canada for the rest of their lives, instead of terrible conditions back home.

    Is this trafficking and terrible abuse of women? Or is it their choice as a way to eventually have a far better life in Canada? It is very easy for someone to get a new identity and lost in Canada, with very little risk of being deported once they get into Canada.

    Further, some of the most wonederful intimate women I've met at strip clubs, body rubs and escorts have been Russian or Eastern European. Since I enjoy wonderful intimacy more than just hot sex, I find the foreign women, in general, far more desirable than most (not all) American or Canadian bred women who live in a far more anti-sex culture. Most foreign women are far more comfortable with their sensuailty/sexuality than women from the U.S. Canadian women are mixed in my extensive experience.

    Lastly remember the situation last summer where a "Bad Russian guy" went and booked outcalls of women from the Russian agencies and then captured them in his house with locked windows etc and turned it into a bawdy house. The gals were smart enough to call the police and report a robbery in progress so the police would have a reason to break into the house. The "Bad guy" faces many serious charges and the gals are back with the Russian agencies who they owed the debt to for getting them to Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SI Canada
    Thats me- Gary's the name and I do work at the Cleanest club in Ontario-now that being said Meea you havent been to Seductions since, June of last year,and lets see you have worked at Tony's East,Filmores, the Palace,Brass rail,For your eyes only,Seductions, Casino,House of Lancaster,Club Mystique,Airport Strip and thats just the clubs that you have mentioned in this area-Can I ask you a question-What type of Club are you looking for and what would be your ideal Club?

    Now getting back to defending the Club Seductions on Kipling Ave in "I agree the miliage in the past" may have been not acceptable and we have have focused on that problem,some of the dancers were taking liberties that they should not have-The Management has taken steps to ensure that Seductions in Toronto has cleaned house and made it more fun for Customers and more profitiable for Dancers that are working there without crossing the legal line as far as dances go. The owner of the club has bent over backwords to provide a safe working environment for the dancers-They even have not one but two Doorman on in the daytime plus a female manager to ensure the Seductions Toronto club is run with a upscale theme in mind.
    The Private Club idea is a big Customer base for Seductions,yes the Customers have to become members to enter but it only cost $10 per year which isnt much considering that most clubs have a $3 cover everytime you enter-No Floor fees for Dancers-do 2 shows and there is no freelance fee-I am glad this owner is very smart because while all others are standing there with there hands out taking the money from the girls,this owner believes in the girls and how hard this job is and says he will make money from the products he sells and he does not sell the girls!
    I hope anybody in the past does give Seductions and Myself an opportunity to welcome you to Seductions Toronto or Welcome Back to Seductions.

    Regards
    Gary
    I do have to give Gary some credit... although the club was quiet when I worked there they do treat the girls very well and with respect. You get a meal each shift and the change rooms and bathroom are the CLEANIEST ever!

    IThe club itself doesn't seem to attract alot of customers like the downtown clubs do due to location but it only ever takes that 'one' customer to have a good night.

    When I was there it was 'clean' and management made sure of this. But things may have changed the last few months?

    Just my 2 cents

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