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    This is in response to Tina's post here http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29014

    I would like to offer another method that works well for me, and many dancers. I call Tina's hustle method the shotgun approch. Eventually you are going to hit something, but the quality of the scattered hustling is not that high. I recommend the "Shotgun approch" to all new dancers until they have hit thier stride. The momentum that this hustle method creates is great and will make the work day fly by, but it will only lead to random dances here and there, and you may be missing your big spender who wants to drop $1000 on you that night, but you looked too busy fo him to take the kind of time that he was seeking.

    My favorite hustle method I call the "sniper approch". Instead of just randomly asking for dances, I will wander through the club slowly, but with purpose. I will work my way to the DJ or to the restroom or whatever. While I am walking through the room I will watch to see who is watching me. If your club had mirrors that is a great place to see who is looking, without looking obiously at the customer. When I catch the customer's eye I will smile and wave, but not approch right away. The exception is if he signals me to join him. I will continue to where I was headed, and see how long he watches me. I will give him an eyeful, so he can make his decision how much time he wants to $pend on me.

    After a few minutes I will go to his table, and start small talk. I may even turn him down for a dance if I need to be on stage within the next few minutes. I will say something like "I would love to dance for you, but I'm on stage in a couple of songs, and I don't want to feel rushed with you." this also gives me more of a chance to flirt with him, and he has a chance to woo me as well.

    When I am done stage dancing, I will put him off one more time to "Go freshen up for him" I don't take more then a minute or two, but it is enough to get him to the peak of anticipation. when I return to his table I begin my sales pitch, starting with a VIP sale, I have had enough time to determine if he is going to spend, and how much I think he would be comfortable with. Nine times out of ten he spends at least $200 on me. That tenth time that I don't get much out of the customer, is the one who is looking for a girlfriend ( a real one) and doesn't understand the point of strip clubs.

    Many times I can use this method and not have anyone trying for eye contact. There are times when the club is slow and every customer in there really has no cash. Then I try to at least give him a fun expeirence so that he tells his friends what a great club ours is and maybe he will say something nice on the internet to total strangers who will later visit out club.

    There is the occasional guy who will really push my buttons. I try to hold my tounge, but sometimes I just have to give him a piece of my mind. I try to tell him off in such a way that he is answering with a "thank you" until he really thinks about what I said. Something like "Aren't you the funny guy! But you know looks aren't everything!"

    I'm not quick with comebacks. I just dedicate time to thinking up comebacks when I'm not working, so it seems like I am quick. After being in this business for a while you get used to all the drivel that issues for the customers, and you notice that very little of it is original. I have just as mundane drivel, and accept it as part of the job.

    I hope this counter point to Tina's (very well writien good advice) post will help those dancers whose peronality doesn't mesh with the shotgun style.


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    Hey Paris,

    I was reading Tina's thread too. Although it's true that 'ask every customer' should be my mantra on slow nights when I can't find a high-roller, usually on the busier nights I do somthing like you suggested. Frankly, asking every customer makes me feel pathetic and puts me in a really bad mood.

    Basically I look for who looks intersted in me, and I 'target' these guys and try to take as much of their $$ as I can.

    But it has to do with personal style. I myself am a hard core hustler so I can often make 3-900 off a single customer. Other girls are more comfortable working the room. I think it depends on style.

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    I don't mean to use the "wanna dance" approach when approaching everyone. What I meant is that every guy isn't going to "stare "down the girls he finds attractive. In real life a guy who does that is a stalker, so many guys will look at dancers or "size us up" in a more discreet manner.

    I'm not saying to approach 50 guys in two hours. If you are in a club working with 30 dancers and there are 50 customers, how many times do girls walk past guys who are not "taken" to get to someone else, or to go to the dressing room?

    I'm saying that no dancer should walk past customers who are not sitting or talking to someone without approaching them and making conversation.

    There are a lot of guys who will attest to the fact that they don't like to stare down dancers and that they want girls to come talk to them.

    By going up and talking to the guys in your path with the normal probing questions etc, after a few minutes if there is no chemistry or they say they are not interested, you merely say thank you and go to the next idle table in your path.

    If you have customers who tipped well or were obviously eyeing you on stage if you are dancing in a club where the stage matters, then by all means approach them first. I wouldn't even go to the dressing room when I get off stage first in that case, I would go directly to their table before another girl gets to them first.

    Guys that walk away from your stage or turn their heads the other way when you come around obviously aren't worth wasting time on, but guys who are not showing obvious disinterest are potential customers. Many guys are shy and would be open to dances if dancers didn't profile the crowd so hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Many times I can use this method and not have anyone trying for eye contact. There are times when the club is slow and every customer in there really has no cash...
    I'd have to disagree with this statement a little bit. I think there is almost always money to be made in the club.

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43117

    I don't really think your advice is in conflict with Tina's. We all prioritize who we are going to approach. Obviously if a guy has tipped you on stage, made eye contact with you, whatever, he's a good prospect for selling dances to. We'd all like to find the customer that will spend $200 on us in a short time. I think what Tina was pointing out is that you don't want to overlook the 4 guys willing to spend $50 on you while you sit at the bar waiting for that one big-spender. Very seldom does a day go by that I don't hear from at least one customer, "you're the first girl that has spoken to me" or something along that line.

    You've got some very interesting ideas. They idea of playing a little hard to get is a good one, and one that I think a lot of guys would really go for. I'd like to see you write some more on that and some more tips on how you can pick up on those signs that a guy is willing to spend some big bucks on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    You've got some very interesting ideas. They idea of playing a little hard to get is a good one, and one that I think a lot of guys would really go for. I'd like to see you write some more on that and some more tips on how you can pick up on those signs that a guy is willing to spend some big bucks on you.
    I agree...but it can be taken too far. If a dancer plays too hard to get, constantly putting a customer off to go on stage and go freshen up, it can get a little frustrating after a while. You always run the risk of having another dancer swoop in and take the customer while you are away. I suppose like anything there is an art to it...just enough to make the customer want you, but not enough to make him/her cranky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepGreen
    I agree...but it can be taken too far. If a dancer plays too hard to get, constantly putting a customer off to go on stage and go freshen up, it can get a little frustrating after a while. You always run the risk of having another dancer swoop in and take the customer while you are away. I suppose like anything there is an art to it...just enough to make the customer want you, but not enough to make him/her cranky.
    I agree totally. My thought was not to put the customer off, but make him feel special. Have you ever had your ATF make the rounds on stage being tipped by 20 different guys? How does it make you feel when she comes straight to your table afterwards? Most guys want what other guys want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    I agree totally. My thought was not to put the customer off, but make him feel special. Have you ever had your ATF make the rounds on stage being tipped by 20 different guys? How does it make you feel when she comes straight to your table afterwards? Most guys want what other guys want.
    LMAO...you'll get no argument from me. It is pretty flattering when a favorite heads right over to see you (even if you know down deep it's about the money). But then hey, I'm easy....
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    The whole reason why I posted this is because I have seen dancers agonize over not wanting to approch every customer. I think that different sales styles work better for different people. I definately pick and choose my customers, and will turn guys down for dances if I feel like they are too much to put up with. I am a top earner in my club, so I must be doing something right.

    I will turn guys down for dances if I just feel like I'm not going to enjoy the expierence. I don't need the $20 that bad to have to put up with being continually propositioned, groped at, or smelling an unwashed body for the duration of a song. I wanted dancers to know that it is possible to make money and be happy in this business, and that they do have the right to pick and choose their customers just like any other business. I would rather go home broke then have to fend off sexual assult in the VIP. My mental health is SOOOOO worth it.

    I want to qualify the "hard to get" statement. I won't do this if the customer has indicated that he is going to be leaving soon, or if I know that he has been in the club a long time, and is likely to leave soon. I will do this to build interest in a customer who otherwise didn't seem all that interested or came off as nonchlant. If he really is disinterested he will tell me this when I suggest dances, so I can move on. Sometimes I have found that the disintrest is feigned, and he simply didn't plan on spending as much as I am asking him too. The hard-to-get method gives him a chance to go to the ATM without me being too pushy.

    About there being no cash in the club, yes, this does happen. Or at least all the customers in the club aren't willing to spend money on the dancers. There is one particular customer who likes to come into my club with huge wads of cash that he shows to all the dancers. THE MONEY ISN'T HIS!!! I found this out from a co worker of his that the money is actually the bank deposit for his company. He does this because new girls will waste time on him thinking that he will eventually part with the cash before leaving. He has never gotten a dance (by his own admission), he rarely even tips on stage, and usually nurses one drink for a few hours. He has a habit of rubbing on the dancers (dancers know what I'm talking about) while talking to them. This guy has it all worked out as to how to get a free thrill at the strip club. Maybe someday someone is going to tell a gang banger that this guy has $8000 on him in cash, and then he will have to learn a lesson the hard way.

    Long story longer, it is totally possible to have no money in the club. I have had customers approch me to buy them drinks. I have had guys tell me to go away. And there are times when there literally are no customers in the club at all. Or when there is one group of college girls making snide remarks towards the dancers. I would be nice if this was a once a year occurance, but this does happen at least a couple times a month. That is when it is good to have regulars that you can call or email before you go to work.

    I hope that there are girls that can feel a little better about themselves because they choose to pick their customers sometimes. If you don't want to dance for a guy, don't! Or make your per dance price high enough that it is worth it to you. I have asked for $50 a song (and gotten it), because the guy was that offensive.

    Good luck and remeber that money isn't everything!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    My favorite hustle method I call the "sniper approch". ...
    Fwiiw, this approach/hustle is far far more likely to get a significant amount of business from me than the "shotgun" approach.

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    What a great thread.

    Paris is right about picking low-lying fruit (and big spenders can make up for a large number of lesser spenders). I know the dancers who find me pick me out this way. There is something nice about being zeroed in on.

    In general, Tina wins hands-down on the shotgun strategy, though. You cover more territory, uncover hidden spenders (because you're smart enough to never judge a book by its cover) and can even convert those who never thought they wanted a dance in the first place.

    First rule of selling in any field: All sales are emotional. Guys who are not in the buying mood just haven't met you yet.

    For the first time in my clubbing life, I actually came across a club in Baltimore last month where I wasn't picked out of the crowd. No, let me restate that. I was ignored. For hours. The dancers would do stage and then go sit with each other at the bar and ignore all the customers. Hell, I was ignored by the waitresses. For hours. These folks had it down to a science. I had to eventually walk up to the bar and beg for a drink.

    Now this was a first for me. I am never ignored. Never, ever, ever. (OK, I'm totally spoiled -- a home club with a fanatical devotion to regulars and great guidance from the people on this site on the best clubs to hit when I travel along with a strong philosophy of taking care of dancers while in the club.) So this brought a real smile to my face. Wow, a new experience. Being ignored.

    What struck me as I sat there with $1,500 in cash and no company was how difficult it must be for the dancers at the end of the night. There was no CR traffic at all and no laps going on in the back area. What in the world were they thinking? Why were they even in the club that night? To sit at the bar and smoke with the other dancers? With tip-outs and drink minimums, they start out in the hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner
    What struck me as I sat there with $1,500 in cash and no company was how difficult it must be for the dancers at the end of the night. There was no CR traffic at all and no laps going on in the back area. What in the world were they thinking? Why were they even in the club that night? To sit at the bar and smoke with the other dancers? With tip-outs and drink minimums, they start out in the hole.
    It is not common, but I have had similar experiences a few times. I walk into a club willing to spend a grand or more, and either no dancer even approaches me or the ones that do make no sales effort at all, just walk up and say "Ya wanna dance?" (and if I buy one, make no attempt at all to talk to me, much less flirt"...just say "Ya want another one?" etc). A tiny bit of effort to flirt or chat or act a bit seductive...or at least friendly could have easily earned them 4 figures on a night when it looked like they would end up in the red at the end of the shift. When clubs are really dead, I think the dancers just give up sometimes. In once such situation, I even approached a dancer whose stage dance I had liked and asked her for a lap. She agreed but sort of acted like I was bothering her or something.

    (And before anyone offers this explanation, I don't think that it is because I am exceptionally repulsive or smelly or anything like that. Generally I get all the attention I can handle, pun not entirely intended, and more.)

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    I think you need a good blend of both, honestly. Approach the guys who've been eyeing you first, whether from stage or from your walk around the club. Chat with them some, not horrendously long but enough to get a pitch going. I've been tricked by the well-dressed guy too, if he isn't buying move on. I don't like going in a line, as I just think it looks odd. If no one is looking my way or it has been awhile since my stage-set and I have no one "lined up" so to speak, I will work one side of the club, then go to the other side. Yes, it means walking by some guys - but I do get back to the ones I've walked by.
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    Question then for The Other Owner & Wwanderer. Both of you recall going into clubs with over a grand to spend and not being able to do so. Don't these experiences prove the value of the "shotgun" approach?
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    To the guys get ignored... Why not approach the dancers? Why do we have to do all the work?

    I think I actually give a better dance to customers that ask me for dances, I'm much more appreciative to them for it.
    It's always a pleasant surprise to have a guy ask a dancer to come over and say, "Do you mind talking for a little before I get a dance?" (Of course it's nicer just to get asked the dance, but that's all good.) These are the upfront guys that usually want to finish their drink or atleast have a little buzz before the dance and are there with no false pretenses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Question...Both of you recall going into clubs with over a grand to spend and not being able to do so. Don't these experiences prove the value of the "shotgun" approach?
    Yes, and the 'shotgun' approach is generally the way to go, as Owner said. However the other thing that comes across from both is the importance of paying some quality attention to your customers (not that you ever advocated otherwise, but just to reiterate the point). As another guy who will walk into a club willing to spend a grand, I cannot back them enough on this. You can be my complete ideal physically, you can give the best dances in the world, but unless you manage to connect with me you're not going to see much of my cash. I'll hang out with my friends, have some drinks and good conversation, have fun, and leave with 90% of my money. On the other hand, if you make my night even more enjoyable, I'll spend a bunch on you, ignore my friends for a good chunk of the night, and leave even happier but broke. While I have a preference, it really doesn't bother me too much either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    To the guys get ignored... Why not approach the dancers? Why do we have to do all the work?
    The simple and obvious answer to this is - because you're the ones who are working. We're there for leisure. It's not like we say to ourselves, "You know I have this money, and I don't like it. I need to get rid of it as quickly as possible. I know, I'll go and give it to the local stip club." We're there to relax, enjoy ourselves and to pay for the kind of company that we want. Part of that for many of us (clearly Owner, Ww and myself included) involves you approaching us and making conversation.

    This is not to say that I won't get up and approach a dancer. However the second I have to approach her, rather than the other way around, she's going to have to work harder to part me from my cash. The dance becomes her chance to make a first impression on me, rather than the chat during the leadup to the dance.

    I'd also say that the more money a guy has to spend, the more likely he is to have this (or a similar) attitude. I cringe that I'm about to use this horribly overused line, but...we can see naked women anywhere. We're willing to part with so much of our hard-earned cash for you to make us feel good, not just to look at you.

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    And as I was saying, when asked for a dance, I tend to give a better one because you made my job easier.... I wasn't asking to be paid to talk with you at all, that rarely ever happens at my club.
    I was saying that instead of sitting like a lump and feeling ignored, make your own fun and get someone's attention... If they ignore you or avoid you, that's their loss...
    I just think it's silly to blame the dancers for your bad time when you could easily have approached one, that was all I was trying to get across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    I was saying that instead of sitting like a lump and feeling ignored, make your own fun and get someone's attention... If they ignore you or avoid you, that's their loss...
    I just think it's silly to blame the dancers for your bad time when you could easily have approached one, that was all I was trying to get across.
    The club is there for your enjoyment, don't let it get you down.
    Oh, I agree entirely, and I do. I have never been to a strip club and not had fun. As I said, I always go to the club with friends and enjoy myself, regardless of whether I end up getting any dances at all. And I don't blame the dancers one bit. But from a dancer's point of view, it would be better to approach me, so she can get her hands on my money. Otherwise I'll have fun anyway, but my money will walk out the door.

    I'm not apportioning blame for my enjoyment or lack thereof. What I am doing is pointing out that there are guys like me out there, who won't tend to spend money unless they're approached, and to advocate a more pro-active stance on behalf of dancers (in the vein of you guys making more money).

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    Oh, I agree with that.... I try to approach every guy that seems interested in me or hasn't been spoken to, if only to say hi right before I go on stage...
    Sorry about the guys that get ignored... I know a few get ignored at my club if they sit way in the back and don't tip... But not as ignored as the guys that sit VERY close to the stage and don't tip...
    As for the tippers, I try and speak to everyone that tips me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Maybe someday someone is going to tell a gang banger that this guy has $8000 on him in cash, and then he will have to learn a lesson the hard way.
    When I danced in SF this happened! Some ass*ole was flashing money three nights in a row. He showed his money to a girl who then sat on his lap for an hour, waiting for him to be 'ready' for some VIP action.

    After he told her she was a dumb b*tch and money hungry, so $0 is what she deserved!

    He didn't even make it into a cab on Market Street before her pimp rolled up in his hummer on the guy... he was killing time b4 picking her up and she called his cell to say what happened. I think pseudo-custie really desereved it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    To the guys get ignored... Why not approach the dancers? Why do we have to do all the work?

    I think I actually give a better dance to customers that ask me for dances, I'm much more appreciative to them for it.
    It's always a pleasant surprise to have a guy ask a dancer to come over and say, "Do you mind talking for a little before I get a dance?" (Of course it's nicer just to get asked the dance, but that's all good.) These are the upfront guys that usually want to finish their drink or atleast have a little buzz before the dance and are there with no false pretenses...
    There are as many reasons that the guys don't approch the dancers as there are personalities on this planet. Although it is nice to be "picked", and some customers prefer to ask the dancer they are seeking attention from, it is usually the survival of the quickest in this business.

    I do Agree that the shotgun approch is important sometimes, and use it on occasion when I feel myself losing momentum. The Shotgun approch is nessesary on very busy party nights, because the usual kind of gentleman customer is hidden in large groups of partiers, and is harder to find. In the meantime I am doing a dance here and there and keeping my momentum up for the rest of the evening.


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    Personally, I would never ask EVERY guy.. “yuk”. If the guy looks like a total creep, looks like he’s gonna puke, trying to touch-up ever girl.. I stay away.

    The other day this guy came up to me and tried to put his hands ALL over me, then he said he has $10 !!! HAHAHAHA in his face! Not worth my time.


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    kymchoon's answers to these questions are basically the same as mine, but anyway, here is my take on these points:

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Question then for The Other Owner & Wwanderer. Both of you recall going into clubs with over a grand to spend and not being able to do so. Don't these experiences prove the value of the "shotgun" approach?
    Yes, I suppose. Actually they prove the value of ANY approach except the "le't pretend there are no customers or that we are so rich that we don't want their money anyway" method which seems to take over clubs/dancers occasionally.

    The only problem I have with the "shotgun" approach is that it can easily turn into a pretty listless and impersonal initial approach to customers. This makes sense to me in that it has got to be harder for a dancer to focus her charm, personality and best sales technique on every customers when she is dealing with large numbers of them than when it is only a few selected ones (Paris's "sniper" approach). And, as kymchoon mentioned, a listless shotgun approach would not have gotten my grand out of my wallet even on a night when nothing else seemed to be happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    To the guys get ignored... Why not approach the dancers? Why do we have to do all the work? I think I actually give a better dance to customers that ask me for dances, I'm much more appreciative to them for it.
    I do approach dancers moderately often, most commonly by tipping (usually a bit generously) them when they are on stage and saying that I'd like to talk to them when they are done. The main downside of taking the initiative, from my personal perspective, is that you get no impression of a dancer's personality or degree of engagement (with you) until you have already committed to buy a dance. When the dancer approaches me, as long as she is at least somewhat attractive (usually the case), whether or not I decide to spend time to her depends a lot on how we interact in those first moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny
    Question then for The Other Owner & Wwanderer. Both of you recall going into clubs with over a grand to spend and not being able to do so. Don't these experiences prove the value of the "shotgun" approach?
    Destiny, I'm used to being picked out of the crowd. Virtually every club experience in my clubbing life has involved being picked out of the crowd. As I said, there is something special about being chosen. In that sense, I side with Paris's approach. Having said that, I think the shotgun strategy is better from the dancer perspective to maximize income because there are more moderate spenders in clubs than big spenders. Facts of life.

    I have never been ignored until recenty, so this was an entirely new experience for me.

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    What I view when I visit clubs scoping out their earnings potential is that more and more guys are sitting around and not being approached AT ALL while dancers walk around passing up 5 or 6 guys to get to one or 2. Then when they talk to those one or two their don't spend time trying to persuade them to buy the dance. If these two guys won't buy, they sit at the table staring into mspace for a song or 2 then go back to the dressing room.

    I recently was at a club where a table of guys found a dancer attractive and she never approached them. She again only hit up 2-3 guys and went in the dressing room. The guys said "She's walking the wrong way". One guy at the table who was apprached by a dancer bought 4 dances.

    Dancer Wealth services are SORELY needed in all clubs but the majority of dancers lack the interset to INVEST any of the money they make from the scant few nights they work in learning how to capitalize on the maximum earning potential in this business.

    Dancer Wealth teaches dancers to WORK THE FLOOR and to use proven selling techniques to PERSUADE guys or TALK THEM INTO buying from you. Fotr this to work a dancer has to NOT JUDGE A BOOK BUY IT'S COVER and go around the room guy by guy or table by table and spend a song or two developing rapport with the guy(s) and then asking for the dances.

    Why do I go to clubs and see guys not being approached or if they are only being approached by 1-2 girls? If 15 girls are on the floor, then 9-10 if them and not one or 2 should be following the Dancer Wealth techniques with each guy.

    An incresaing majority of guys are walking out of a club with money in their pocket.

    It's not really a shotgun approach that I am talking about.

    What DW teaches of course is to scope the floor, for bobbing heads , or expressed interest. But that does not happen constantly.

    He teaches to go to the table and INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GET TO KNOW THE CUSTOMER, AND USE SALES TECHNIQUES TO SELL HIM. If he is obviously disinterested or arrogant, say thank you and go to the NEXT TABLE, NOT THE DRESSING ROOM!

    You repeat this with guy after guy for several hours at a time and hopefully you have sold some of them. Then you MUST KNOW how to KEEP THEM BUYING.

    WORKING THE FLOOR means just that. Getting off stage, approaching those who have expressed interest first, and selling them persuasively, and then OFF TO THE NEXT TABLE and so on as long as their are guys and groups of guys to approach.

    MOST DANCERS nowadays get a D from me on effort.

    DANCERS are SALESPEOPLE, not just pretty faces. And if there are 50 guys on the floor and most are not being worked then GODDAMN IT,the dancers who are serious about this business, had better get over being shy or worrying about being rejected, and approach and work at TALKING THE GUY INTO buying DANCES. And learn how to TALK HIM INTO buying more dances when he is thinking about stopping.

    It appauls me how many guys say only a few girls approach them, and most don't make an effort to PERSUADE the guys into buying.

    Girls who are SELECTIVELY CHOOSING guys are SELECTIVELY CHOOSING to lose potential customers. If they can't or won't do this and are uncomfortable with going table to table usingf selling techniques with a room full of guys for an ENTIRE shift, (that's what is referred to as a proper"hustle"), then dancing isn't for them and they should find another type of work.

    Shy girls need to invest some money and time in learning how to sell and work the floor HARD!

    I'm not trying to be mean, but go in various clubs as a customer and count how many guys get skipped, or only approached by a hand ful of girls, or how a guy buys from one girl and no one else will approach him, and it will be a glaring example of how much money is being lost!!!!

    As the Other Owner says, most guys are moderate spenders. Too much time is being devoted today to looking for Mr. Moneybags. If I ran a club and my dancers were not working the floor properly, they would be warned, and then fired! Customers don't want to come back to a club where they are only randomly approached or overly approached either.

    Paris, my fiance was scoping out a Montana club the year before last for me and I told him about you and that if you were working to say hi and tip you well. He said you never came over to the table or those next to him. My guy is always clean and well kept and is not obnoxious or rude. How many other customers could you be losing by selectively choosing your clientele?

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    Tina, a significant part of the DW course focuses part on selecting guys to talk to, NOT going up to every guy - patently judging books by their covers - not just bobbing heads or interest but what kind of clothes he's wearing and whether or not he's part of a group or by himself. The majority of the course is about sales technique, yes, and that was the most valuable - I still say a smiling customer who has tipped my stage is more likely to get my attention than a well-dressed businessman sitting in the corner. I would say the course is much more focused on snipering than shotgunning - getting a customer to spend hundreds on you in a private room rather than a dance and move on. At least that was the impression I got.

    I remember when, at my old club, our manager was yelling at the girls for not hustling [they were AWFUL! they refused to hustle at all and didn't even look happy when a customer approached them] and was like "look at Luna, she's a new girl and that doesn't stop her from selling dances!" so after the meeting was over I told her that I'd taken the DW course. She wanted me to teach the techniques to other dancers! Hell, it'd been two weeks since I'd taken the class myself. And then I told her my reservations, I hadn't perfected the techniques myself and damnit, I'd paid nigh on $200 to be taught the techniques, why should I teach them for free? Her response: "Oh, they aren't going to pay for it."

    That being said, not ignoring a customer because of whatever IS important! Several times I've sat down with customers other dancers have been ignoring and done very well. Always ask! Sometimes I've had a guy that doesn't seem very interested at all, but I ask anyway, just to make sure - and get a yes!
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